Hot Take: Nylander Will No Longer Be A Leaf (next year)....and That's Okay

[smuddan]

That is a euphemism for the team that the player has been playing with and has formed bonds in the community, not born there.

Here's a quote of what Ian Hunter of bleacherreport.com say about the term "hometown discount" :

"It's a term that's been thrown around quite often during this week's MLB hot stove —"hometown discount." For those unfamiliar with the term, a hometown discount is when a player takes a bit of a pay cut to play in the city that they grew up in, has family in, or is where they started their career."

In Shanahan's case, he was drafted by the Devils and that's where he started his career.

 

[shack]

Here's a quote of what Ian Hunter of bleacherreport.com say about the term "hometown discount" :

"It's a term that's been thrown around quite often during this week's MLB hot stove —"hometown discount." For those unfamiliar with the term, a hometown discount is when a player takes a bit of a pay cut to play in the city that they grew up in, has family in, or is where they started their career."

In Shanahan's case, he was drafted by the Devils and that's where he started his career.

I believe that his interpretation is too narrow. I'm drawing a blank right now, but I am pretty sure that somebody here can come up with some big name players who have signed for less than they could have got to stay with their current team even if though it was not where they were born. They got in trouble from the players' association for signing below market.

 

[shack]

Here you go. I searched.

And the kicker is that this is from Bleacher Report.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2674213-five-notable-nhl-hometown-discount-contracts#slide5

No need to apologize because you had no way to know that that guy you referenced had no idea what he was talking about.

 

[smuddan]

Here you go. I searched.

And the kicker is that this is from Bleacher Report.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2674213-five-notable-nhl-hometown-discount-contracts#slide5

No need to apologize because you had no way to know that that guy you referenced had no idea what he was talking about.

You're entitled to your own interpretation of "hometown discount" shack, but it seems to me that it's quite reasonable to say that it either has to do with the player's place of growing up or where he started his career. Detroit was neither place for Shanahan. If anything maybe a "renewal discount" would be more fitting for players merely renewing a contract.

 

[shack]

I believe that his interpretation is too narrow. I'm drawing a blank right now, but I am pretty sure that somebody here can come up with some big name players who have signed for less than they could have got to stay with their current team even if though it was not where they were born. They got in trouble from the players' association for signing below market.

That is a euphemism for the team that the player has been playing with and has formed bonds in the community, not born there.

You're entitled to your own interpretation of "hometown discount" shack, but it seems to me that it's quite reasonable to say that it either has to do with the player's place of growing up or where he started his career. Detroit was neither place for Shanahan. If anything maybe a "renewal discount" would be more fitting for players merely renewing a contract.

Here's a quote of what Ian Hunter of bleacherreport.com say about the term "hometown discount"

"It's a term that's been thrown around quite often during this week's MLB hot stove —"hometown discount." For those unfamiliar with the term, a hometown discount is when a player takes a bit of a pay cut to play in the city that they grew up in, has family in, or is where they started their career."

Sorry, these are probably not in order.

TBH, I think that we are saying pretty much the same thing. I agree with your guys interpretation for the most part. Just for clarification, I am not disagreeing with the "born there" hometown or the "drafted by" hometown. I assumed they were obvious and I just added having bonds in the community which is not that far off from having family. You form bonds, it is like having family.

So if a guy like Joe Thornton signed for less than market with SJ, are you saying that he would not be giving a hometown discount? He was not born there or was drafted there and if he has family there, they are probably there because of him. Or are we basically saying the same thing?

IMO, he's been there long enough to have formed bonds/grown roots in the community and it would be a HTD.

 

[smuddan]

Sorry, these are probably not in order.

TBH, I think that we are saying pretty much the same thing. I agree with your guys interpretation for the most part. Just for clarification, I am not disagreeing with the "born there" hometown or the "drafted by" hometown. I assumed they were obvious and I just added having bonds in the community which is not that far off from having family. You form bonds, it is like having family.

So if a guy like Joe Thornton signed for less than market with SJ, are you saying that he would not be giving a hometown discount? He was not born there or was drafted there and if he has family there, they are probably there because of him. Or are we basically saying the same thing?

IMO, he's been there long enough to have formed bonds/grown roots in the community and it would be a HTD.

You do have a point there about Thornton but not every player feels the same way about the town he just finished playing for so it shouldn't be assumed automatically. As in Shanahan's case with Detroit,which was the subject of the original discussion, he obviously felt no such bond that warranted giving them a discount.

 

[Johnny Utah]

So with four days to go to the deadline, somebody FINALLY mentions (Elliotte Friedman and Brian Burke) that Nylander’s days will be numbered whether he signs or not.

These analysts really need to go out on the limb once in awhile and give us more interesting angles to talk about rather than the tried and true recycled garbage.

It’s why I like the “good show” on the fan 590. They say some stupid things to spark conversation and humour.

 

[saxon]

You do have a point there about Thornton but not every player feels the same way about the town he just finished playing for so it shouldn't be assumed automatically. As in Shanahan's case with Detroit,which was the subject of the original discussion, he obviously felt no such bond that warranted giving them a discount.

Point I’m trying to make is Shanahan wouldn’t give Detroit a hometown discount but he’s insisting that Nylander, Marner and Matthews give the Leafs one. And 2 years from now when Andersen and Rielly become UFA he’ll expect the same from them, a bit of a hypocrite if you ask me.

 

[shack]

Point I’m trying to make is Shanahan wouldn’t give Detroit a hometown discount but he’s insisting that Nylander, Marner and Matthews give the Leafs one. And 2 years from now when Andersen and Rielly become UFA he’ll expect the same from them, a bit of a hypocrite if you ask me.

Maybe Yzerman was a hypocrite as well with Stamkos. I don't know, did he give the Wings discounts?

Regardless, Shanahan has a fiduciary responsibility to the Leafs. Hypocrisy does not factor in. He'd be shirking his responsibility if he did not try to get the lowest contract possible for Nylander and the others and if he was not trying his hardest to do what is best for the Leafs.

 

[smuddan]

Point I’m trying to make is Shanahan wouldn’t give Detroit a hometown discount but he’s insisting that Nylander, Marner and Matthews give the Leafs one. And 2 years from now when Andersen and Rielly become UFA he’ll expect the same from them, a bit of a hypocrite if you ask me.

Presumably this is the article you referenced to :

“Kyle (Dubas) and I have the same vision of what we want to build here. We feel we’re big fans of William, we want him to be part of this. Obviously, this is a process that he needs to go through. I can speak from personal experience (one or two contractual stand-offs in his career).

“When I get together with some of my old mates from the Cup years in Detroit, we talk about winning together and growing together and that’s what we remember. At the end of the day, we all found a way to fit with each other so we kept adding to the group.”

I don't see anything there that warrants calling him a hypocrite. I know how agonizing it must have been for you because of the lack of reasons to post something negative about the Leafs, but you should at least provide some basis for your repeated attempts intaking shots at Shanahan. I cannot find anything to do with his contract renewal with the Wings and maybe you can share whatever inside information you have.

 

[chuckertmg]

I don't see anything there that warrants calling him a hypocrite.

Shanahan sat out half a year in a contract dispute in 2008, but he was getting older and a lot less productive by then.

This article is a month old but it might be referenced - titled "The Hypocrisy of Brendan Shanahan"
https://tipofthetower.com/2018/10/06/toronto-maple-leafs-brendan-shanahan-hypocrisy/

Regardless, there's no rational basis for Shanahan's comments that players should offer themselves at a discount to the Leafs organization. It was an inappropriate attempt to negotiate in public.

 

[shack]

Regardless, there's no rational basis for Shanahan's comments that players should offer themselves at a discount to the Leafs organization.

Yes there is. He is the president and it is his job to make the Leafs as strong as possible. Keeping as many of the core as possible by saving a few million here or there helps the cause. It is his duty.

This isn't Boy Scouts, it's a multi-billion dollar league.

 

[chuckertmg]

Yes there is.

For sure, and I would support his right to espouse complete bullshit. No issues there.
I also support the right of the players to not buy what is obviously bullshit.
They shouldn't negotiate in public - it's inappropriate.

 

[bmwquay]

He must have just came out of a negotiating meeting and was frustrated. He probably realized the error in his ways. Since then there hasn't been a peep from him. No peeps from Dubas either. Think that way Lou had to keep everything close to the vest was a good one. The media doesn't really know much which tells you something. They are all speculating like everyone else.

 

[chuckertmg]

He must have just came out of a negotiating meeting and was frustrated. He probably realized the error in his ways. Since then there hasn't been a peep from him. No peeps from Dubas either.

You're probably correct about Shanahan. Dubas is a smart cookie and keeps his mouth shut, for the most part.
Babcock however, babbles in the same manner as Donald Trump. It's hard sometimes not to roll my eyes so hard that they stare at the back of my skull.

This typical Babcock quote from today: I love how he warns not to confuse opinion with facts, and then states three opinions in rapid sequence.

"There's lots of opinion out there. Let's not confuse opinion and facts; we think Willy is going to be here. We think Willy is going to be here for a long time. We think he's going to be a career Leaf. That's what we think"

 

[bmwquay]

But he is an insider unlike Friedman and all the others so that gives him some credibility that others don't have. He talks to Dubus every day. Although it does sound like Babs is perhaps countering the Shanny media blip. Almost pleading with Willy to sign.

 

[smuddan]

For sure, and I would support his right to espouse complete bullshit. No issues there.
I also support the right of the players to not buy what is obviously bullshit.

The real bullshit here is that there are Leafs haters like you and Sax who are constantly looking for every opportunity to bash the team, the coach or anything or anyone associated with the team. Every post you guys make here always has a negative tone. Life must be very boring for you guys to be spending so much time trying to grab attention on Leaf threads and to show your hate for the Leafs.

 

[Insidious Von]

But he is an insider unlike Friedman and all the others so that gives him some credibility that others don't have. He talks to Dubus every day. Although it does sound like Babs is perhaps countering the Shanny media blip. Almost pleading with Willy to sign.

Of course Babs wants Nylander back, as good as Kapanen has been he doesn't have Willie's passing accuracy. Babs wants two lines that can score at will and Kapanen can bump up Kadri's numbers.

I looked at which Canadian NHL team has the least number of Leafs fans show up for home games and that is the Winnipeg Jets. The city with the least number of Southern Ontarians to re-locate there. Unlike Ottawa who's hatred is based on envy, Winnipegers are loyal to their team. They also flock down en masse to Minneapolis when the Jays play the Twins.

 

[bmwquay]

I'm sure everyone on Leafs side wants Willy back not just Babs. Except perhaps Ennis or Lievo who will lose their spot in the lineup.

The difference with Babs also is that he faces the media most every day unlike Dubas and Shanny.

 

[glamphotographer]

I'm sure everyone on Leafs side wants Willy back not just Babs. Except perhaps Ennis or Lievo who will lose their spot in the lineup.

Lindholm most likely sent to the Marlies, he doesn't need to clear waivers. Ennis and Leivo have been playing better.

But, I think Nylander is sitting out and will probably play in Sweden.