Perhaps this is because not many people on TERB, Oagre excepted have much a knowledge of Russian historical movies. They have all the faults of American historical movies.
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In what way?
Absolutely no question about this whatsoever!
However, remember this was also true of other British tanks (and of course Canadian) as well.
Not much argument from me. However, two points: The movie was based on several chapters of Tony Mendez's memoir hence needless to say it started out from a CIA-centric perspective. Further, the producers & director did nothing to add depth and greater truth to the screenplay. Finally, as preciously mentioned like all movies it was about selling tickets, if it had been a documentary many people would probably have walked out grumbling about what a boring film it was.
Watch Kelly's Heroes instead.
Right on technical details, but just soo wrong otherwise. Kelly: Well Oddball, what do you think?
Oddball: It's a wasted trip baby. Nobody said nothing about locking horns with no Tigers.
Big Joe: Hey look, you just keep them Tigers busy and we'll take care of the rest.
Oddball: The only way I got to keep them Tigers busy is to LET THEM SHOOT HOLES IN ME!
To put it in perspective, there were 120 tigers in France in 1944. There were thousands of Shermans. While in a straight shoot-out, the Tiger wins against an ordinary Sherman - perhaps not against a Firefly - that's rarely the way war plays out.
The 3 tiger battalions could perhaps control a mile or two of front each. The front was a couple of hundred miles long. It's not hard to figure out where the tigers are and avoid them.
Most of the tigers were abandoned due to mechanical breakdowns as the Wehrmacht fled east after the Normandy front collapsed. Or fell through flimsy French bridges into creeks. Or got hunted down by P-47's and Typhoons.
IIRC, none made it back to Germany. At the end of the campaign, the Allies still had thousands of Shermans.
A couple of movies that were fairly accurate as I recall were Waterloo (with Christopher Plummer and Rod Steiger) and Gettysburg (Martin Sheen et al).
Two words come to mind here. Hubris and brainwashing. One thing I liked about watching Jay Leno was he was not shy about holding a mirror up to his audience. Go to Youtube and search Jaywalking and Jaywalk Allstars. Here you will find the true meaning of dumbing down. But so as not to sound smug, I think that if the same thing were done to Canadians, the results would not be a whole lot different. We might do a little better with geography questions because we know there's a world outside our borders.
I'm not suggesting the plot must be real or they make any changes to the script with the exception of the one line at the end of the film suggesting that they were letting Canada take the credit when it didn't deserve any. That wasn't just inaccurate - it was an outright insult.
There are a few others, most of them big budget epics made in the 60's. Zulu, Khartoum, A Bridge Too Far all come to mind.
A Bridge Too Far is a great film. It's one relatively small glaring error is that it has the famous statement about "a bridge too far" uttered after the battle when it sounds like sour grapes combined with know it all-ism, rather than when it actually was made: before the battle as a prescient warning.
Know-it-all-ism and Montgomery-bashing are common faults with US produced movies about WW2 subjects.
Like the number of old war movies that didn't use the correct period tanks. Most fitting is the movie Patton using Patton tanks standing in for Americans and Germans.
Two possibilities. One is there is some Hollywood conspiracy to warp people's opinions. The other is Hollywood makes movies to earn money.
Maybe you saw a different movie but Leonidas lost.
p.s. Much of the Persian force were poorly armed conscripts trained on the way.
"The Ten Commandments "
according to Charlton Heston "the greatest movie ever made"
Moses was Anglo Saxon with a perfect layered hair cut, the perfect white teeth of a slave, the perfect white unblemished skin and blue eyes of someone from the middle east and a six footer and a handsome son of a gun
according to Charlton Heston "the greatest movie ever made"
Moses was Anglo Saxon with a perfect layered hair cut, the perfect white teeth of a slave, the perfect white unblemished skin and blue eyes of someone from the middle east and a six footer and a handsome son of a gun
i like to believe they got this one right
Geronimo "one who yawns";was a prominent leader of the Apache who fought against Mexico and Texas for their expansion into Apache tribal lands for several decades during the Apache Wars. "Geronimo" was the name given to him during a battle with Mexican soldiers.
After a Mexican attack on his tribe, where soldiers killed his mother, wife, and his three children in 1858, Geronimo joined a number of revenge attacks against the Mexicans.
In 1886, after a lengthy pursuit, Geronimo surrendered to Texan authorities as a prisoner of war. At an old age, he became a celebrity, appearing at fairs, but he was never allowed to return to the land of his birth. Geronimo died in 1909 from complications of pneumonia at Fort Sill, Oklahoma.
HE IS PLAYED BY Wes Studi a full blooded Cherokee
Geronimo "one who yawns";was a prominent leader of the Apache who fought against Mexico and Texas for their expansion into Apache tribal lands for several decades during the Apache Wars. "Geronimo" was the name given to him during a battle with Mexican soldiers.
After a Mexican attack on his tribe, where soldiers killed his mother, wife, and his three children in 1858, Geronimo joined a number of revenge attacks against the Mexicans.
In 1886, after a lengthy pursuit, Geronimo surrendered to Texan authorities as a prisoner of war. At an old age, he became a celebrity, appearing at fairs, but he was never allowed to return to the land of his birth. Geronimo died in 1909 from complications of pneumonia at Fort Sill, Oklahoma.
HE IS PLAYED BY Wes Studi a full blooded Cherokee
birth of a nation was highly controversial owing to its portrayal of African-American men (played by white actors in blackface) as unintelligent and sexually aggressive towards white women, and the portrayal of the Ku Klux Klan as a heroic force.
The film is also credited as one of the events that inspired the formation of the "second era" Ku Klux Klan at Stone Mountain, Georgia, in the same year. The Birth of a Nation was used as a recruiting tool for the KKK.
Despite the film's controversial content, Griffith's innovative film techniques make it one of the most influential films in the commercial film industry, and it is often ranked as one of the greatest American films of all time.
The film is also credited as one of the events that inspired the formation of the "second era" Ku Klux Klan at Stone Mountain, Georgia, in the same year. The Birth of a Nation was used as a recruiting tool for the KKK.
Despite the film's controversial content, Griffith's innovative film techniques make it one of the most influential films in the commercial film industry, and it is often ranked as one of the greatest American films of all time.
