Hitler speech
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I hate to be serious because I am finding a lot of the joking posts on here really funny. Esp the Hitler Rap one.
In University and my own personal studies I chose to focus on "Hitlers Holocaust" - Which I think is a little distasteful to call the Jewish Holocoaust as many other people of different races (not that being Jewish is really a race anyway), religions, political standpoints, disabilities, and preferences were involved. However, it can be argued that Jewish people were the main target and consisted of the largest impact.
but yes, in University we were more than welcomed to try to form a supported thesis against literature on the Holocaust. I would say many people have failed because it actually did happen and did have significant relavence. It pisses me off when people say that we shouldn't be studying the Holocaust because other autrocities have happened - well fuck - maybe we should just be studying ALL of them. Why wouldn't we encourage scholars and people from Jewish organizations to get together and try to teach tolerance and the avoidance of genocide . . . just cuz it happened to other people to? If people feel so stongly about other genocides then they should start putting the same kind of money and attention into learning about them too but you don't need to stop the education of the Jewish side in order to do that - don't you see a bit of anti-semitism in that?
You wouldn't tell someone from Rowanda to shut up about their story and stop educating people, just because there was an Armenian genocide too. So why is it okay when we say that to Jewish people? I know the poster above did not say or imply that. I am simply talking about people who do because that is a common thing said when it comes to Jewish history.
I do agree though that there should be tons of research on all genocides. And people should esp look at the genocides within their own country and see if there is a fair amount of knowledge on that and if they hold prejudice when they think of it. What propaganda might be going on there? For example - First Nations people in Canada.
Okay people stop me whenever you want. I know this is a sex board not a heavy issue board. I just get bored inbetween responding to PMs. I love a good debate.
Personally I leaned about all those in school - here in Ontario. Maybe I just went to a better school.
In University and my own personal studies I chose to focus on "Hitlers Holocaust" - Which I think is a little distasteful to call the Jewish Holocoaust as many other people of different races (not that being Jewish is really a race anyway), religions, political standpoints, disabilities, and preferences were involved. However, it can be argued that Jewish people were the main target and consisted of the largest impact.
but yes, in University we were more than welcomed to try to form a supported thesis against literature on the Holocaust. I would say many people have failed because it actually did happen and did have significant relavence. It pisses me off when people say that we shouldn't be studying the Holocaust because other autrocities have happened - well fuck - maybe we should just be studying ALL of them. Why wouldn't we encourage scholars and people from Jewish organizations to get together and try to teach tolerance and the avoidance of genocide . . . just cuz it happened to other people to? If people feel so stongly about other genocides then they should start putting the same kind of money and attention into learning about them too but you don't need to stop the education of the Jewish side in order to do that - don't you see a bit of anti-semitism in that?
You wouldn't tell someone from Rowanda to shut up about their story and stop educating people, just because there was an Armenian genocide too. So why is it okay when we say that to Jewish people? I know the poster above did not say or imply that. I am simply talking about people who do because that is a common thing said when it comes to Jewish history.
I do agree though that there should be tons of research on all genocides. And people should esp look at the genocides within their own country and see if there is a fair amount of knowledge on that and if they hold prejudice when they think of it. What propaganda might be going on there? For example - First Nations people in Canada.
Okay people stop me whenever you want. I know this is a sex board not a heavy issue board. I just get bored inbetween responding to PMs. I love a good debate.
If only hitler were alive to see what has become of him you youtube.
From Sarah Silverman we learn the importance of accuracy. It was around 6 million, not 60 million. The difference, 60 million would be unforgivable.
If there were black people in Germany during WW2, the holocaust would not have happened... to the jews.
From Sarah Silverman we learn the importance of accuracy. It was around 6 million, not 60 million. The difference, 60 million would be unforgivable.
If there were black people in Germany during WW2, the holocaust would not have happened... to the jews.
Consider yourself stopped and yes, you do love a good debate. Usually when we bebate, we decide I’m right…. well sometimes….. well on occasion……maybe once??
LOL I just had someone point that out to me recently as we were discussing the Holocaust. Funny that I never made the connection myself.
It is SS because when I advertise I always write Sweet Sexy Sharla so people can be sure it is me. When I went to make the terb handle Sharla was unavailable so I wrote SS.
It would be even more funny (although a little distasteful) if I was a Dominant - but infact I am more submissive.
And if there were Muslims in Germany in the 1930's, with the same large numbers that inhabit Europe today, the Holocaust would most certainly not have been directed at the Jews, homosexuals, the mentally ill and the Gypsies. You can bet on it.
Don't confuse shutting my mouth with my favorite toy, with winning a debate.Consider yourself stopped and yes, you do love a good debate. Usually when we bebate, we decide I’m right…. well sometimes….. well on occasion……maybe once??
My thoughts too. Jews were a good target for Hitler to focus on because not only were they different, there were enough of them who were successful to encourage not only hatred of different people but jealousy. Hard to blame poverty on another group of poor.Only if the Muslims had money...
There were a lot of things going bad during those harsh times. Jews were blamed for Germany's defeat in WWI ("stab in the back theory"), plus bolshevism which was led by many proeminent Jewish revolutionaries. That was fuel for the Nazi party.
I too love a good debate.
The prime reason we do not hear about other genocides, is beacue people have gotten over them. No one holds anyone hostage, and makes the current generation feel guilty consistently as the Jews do to the Germans. The holocaust has become a central focus of Jewish ethnic groups. Which is strange, as Jews have been exiled, and perscucated since antiquity. See list: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/expelled.htm
Thus why solely focus on Germans?
Secondly Germanic tribes also got rid of the Roman invaders, like Spain got rid of the Moors. Did the Germans of old not have a claim to the land of their ancestors? To expell people of a foreign culture, who refused to assimilate, and had amassed much of the wealth? Keep the land and its wealth for their own offspring? Keep in mind there was no political correctness in pre WW2 Germany.
To say otherwise is contradictory to evolutionary theory. Ethnic groups compete for resources, and that has been the prime cause of many genocides.
Currently Jews are quite keen on keeping Israel a Jewish state, with Jewish customs, and represent Jewish interests. Why should others be condemned for doing the same?
I disagree with the fact that Jewish organizations consistantly remind us of the holoucaust to teach "tolerance", as much as to convince others of their moral bankrupcy. Creating movies which feature Jews killing Germans does not help people become more tolerent; it inflames others. Demanding reperations from the current generations hard work also does not help.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparations_Agreement_between_Israel_and_West_Germany
Again not to condone Hitler, or the Nazi's. What happened in Germany was an expression of the very human instinct to favor one's ethnic group, to ensure the survival of the group.
I am quite sure if a foreign group immigrated to Japan, and amassed much of their wealth, while the Japanese were living in poverty, a similar situation would ensue.
Very good points indeed.
However, Hitler certainly had no problems rounding up and moving Jews or making laws about their ability to do business, live in certain areas, or marry German people - the solution to dealing with different cultures who will not assimilate and acquire wealth is hardly to mass murder them. I think Jewish people who are upset about that certainly have a leg to stand on. Maybe other cultures should go on about it too. Maybe then it wouldn't continue happening.
Jewish people didn't assimilate wealth in a way that was unacceptable. They assimilated quite a bit of their wealth in Germany by doing business with German people. Buying German land, paying German taxes . . . how is that a threat to the country. When Hitler moved people to concentration camps he took their possessions and distributed them to German people and sold off the houses at minimum prices. How is that tolerable but being a different culture and making money honestly is not.
Were the Jewish children, pregnant women, disabled, and poor Jewish people all threatening him with their enterprise? Because he killed all them too. I understand you are not supporting that but you are using it as an argument for explaining why . . . and I have to say it's not a very good argument for justifying the means.
Personally I don't think that Jews focus solely on the Germans. Most academic literature I have read has a detailed history of Anti-Semitism.
Should people really just "get over" genocide. I have heard many different cultures give lectures on genocide, not just Jews. So to say everyone else just gets over it is a little bit of a loose statement.
Whether there should be back-pay by today's generation is another topic completely. We may see more eye to eye on that but I hardly think it is a good reason to be angry with a culture. There are a lot of people involved in making decisions about "repayment" and if they still think it is necessary they probably know more on the topic then we do. People aren't just in the habit of throwing money at causes for fun. Do remember that there are still people alive who's homes were taken, families were killed, had labour forced on them, staved half to death . . . it's hard to rebuild a life after that and at least some money is owed to them. For Christ sakes, people become millionaires for spilling hot coffee on themselves in America and we think that is funny and fotunate. But a culture is gassed to death and we think they should stop complaining and asking for assistance?
I do agree that a lot of Jewish organizations aren't overly tolerant. However that is not the material that is being taught to children in Canadian schools or in many academic settings. I have read Jewish literature that includes the viewpoints of German's and describes their helplessness in overcoming an immoral dictatorship. Most Holocaust memorials have areas dedicated to Germans who hid and helped Jews and went above and beyond. Not all Holocaust literature is anti German. And the literature that is is usually met with some pretty academic responses in both directions.
Okay, these post of mine are huge and probably annoying to those who don't like to scroll down, so I'm gonna go have some sex or something.
Peace.
However, Hitler certainly had no problems rounding up and moving Jews or making laws about their ability to do business, live in certain areas, or marry German people - the solution to dealing with different cultures who will not assimilate and acquire wealth is hardly to mass murder them. I think Jewish people who are upset about that certainly have a leg to stand on. Maybe other cultures should go on about it too. Maybe then it wouldn't continue happening.
Jewish people didn't assimilate wealth in a way that was unacceptable. They assimilated quite a bit of their wealth in Germany by doing business with German people. Buying German land, paying German taxes . . . how is that a threat to the country. When Hitler moved people to concentration camps he took their possessions and distributed them to German people and sold off the houses at minimum prices. How is that tolerable but being a different culture and making money honestly is not.
Were the Jewish children, pregnant women, disabled, and poor Jewish people all threatening him with their enterprise? Because he killed all them too. I understand you are not supporting that but you are using it as an argument for explaining why . . . and I have to say it's not a very good argument for justifying the means.
Personally I don't think that Jews focus solely on the Germans. Most academic literature I have read has a detailed history of Anti-Semitism.
Should people really just "get over" genocide. I have heard many different cultures give lectures on genocide, not just Jews. So to say everyone else just gets over it is a little bit of a loose statement.
Whether there should be back-pay by today's generation is another topic completely. We may see more eye to eye on that but I hardly think it is a good reason to be angry with a culture. There are a lot of people involved in making decisions about "repayment" and if they still think it is necessary they probably know more on the topic then we do. People aren't just in the habit of throwing money at causes for fun. Do remember that there are still people alive who's homes were taken, families were killed, had labour forced on them, staved half to death . . . it's hard to rebuild a life after that and at least some money is owed to them. For Christ sakes, people become millionaires for spilling hot coffee on themselves in America and we think that is funny and fotunate. But a culture is gassed to death and we think they should stop complaining and asking for assistance?
I do agree that a lot of Jewish organizations aren't overly tolerant. However that is not the material that is being taught to children in Canadian schools or in many academic settings. I have read Jewish literature that includes the viewpoints of German's and describes their helplessness in overcoming an immoral dictatorship. Most Holocaust memorials have areas dedicated to Germans who hid and helped Jews and went above and beyond. Not all Holocaust literature is anti German. And the literature that is is usually met with some pretty academic responses in both directions.
Okay, these post of mine are huge and probably annoying to those who don't like to scroll down, so I'm gonna go have some sex or something.
Peace.
One of the great ironies, is that in the early 20th Century Jews in Germany were the most integrated in Europe and that had really been the case for almost a century.
