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TORONTO -- High schools don't adequately prepare students for the workforce and they should put more emphasis on teaching skills required by employers, the Canadian Federation of Independent Businesses concludes in a study released Thursday.

The CFIB's "Hire Education" report says employers are overwhelmingly more interested in young employees with good motivation, attitude and general skills like communications than in their specific knowledge or previous work experience.

But it says only about one-third of businesses surveyed indicated they were satisfied with the job that high schools were doing, compared with 53 per cent who were dissatisfied and 15 per cent who didn't know.


Community colleges and universities ranked higher in satisfaction at 51 per cent and 37 per cent, respectively, and lower in dissatisfaction at 25 per cent and 26 per cent.

Corinne Pohlmann, CFIB's senior vice-president of national affairs, said Thursday she hopes governments, schools and businesses get more involved in co-op and work-integrated learning opportunities for youth.

"Our members who use them find them to be really good and . . . often end up hiring those people," Pohlmann said in an interview.

She said there's more emphasis on preparing high school students for post-secondary education -- rather than a trade or other type of jobs that need to be filled.

"Part of this is definitely family pressures on the young person, as well, in terms of what their expectations are. . . . But well-paying jobs come in many different forms. They don't necessarily come in white-collar jobs."

Governments are also part of the problem, she said, because they've focused heavily on the "jobs of tomorrow" and knowledge jobs and less on the trades -- such as electrical, plumbing and metal work -- that can also be lucrative.

"Especially if you can build your own business out of it. I think that's often overlooked as a potential option for many young people today," Pohlmann said

The CFIB's 29-page report contains more than two dozen recommendations, about half to government and educators but also to youth and small businesses.

However, the report doesn't go so far as to advocate more use of social media or marketing, a recommendation of the Business Development Bank of Canada -- a federal Crown corporation focused on small- and mid-sized businesses.

The CFIB study found employers were less likely than youth to use online job boards such as Workopolis and Indeed or social media such as Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn. Employers were also less likely than young job seekers to rely on internships, "help wanted" signs and school job fairs.

Sixty-seven per cent of business respondents said they relied on recommendations from friends, personal contacts and other employees -- compared with 51 per cent who use job boards, 36 per cent who use social media and 35 per cent who used unsolicited job applications.

"That's why we encourage young people to do the outreach or build their networks," Pohlmann said.

CFIB's report is based partly on an online survey of 6,398 small business owners conducted in May and June and partly on an Maru/Matchbox online survey of 513 Canadians (340 aged 18-24 and 173 aged 15-17) conducted May 25 to 29.

The polling industry's professional body, the Marketing Research and Intelligence Association, says online surveys cannot be assigned a margin of error because they do not randomly sample the population.

The BDC report, released in September, included a telephone survey by Maru/Matchbox between April 30 and May 11.
 

Charlemagne

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Some high schools do. I think highschool was originally meant to prepare students for post-secondary.
 

Butler1000

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Some high schools do. I think highschool was originally meant to prepare students for post-secondary.
No. It was meant to give a basic education for all. The problem is they ONLY prepare students for post secondary. Many are better suited to trades, sales, service jobs. And should be given the tools to do that.
 

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Colleges/Unis are even worse. The liberal delusion/insanity is at an all time high these days.
 

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Colleges/Unis are even worse. The liberal delusion/insanity is at an all time high these days.
Not everything is a liberal conspiracy. But now that you mentioned it the alt right has been very successful in its misinformation campaign. Canadians shouldnt think the way you do. That''s for the KKK and deep southerners.
 

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No. It was meant to give a basic education for all. The problem is they ONLY prepare students for post secondary. Many are better suited to trades, sales, service jobs. And should be given the tools to do that.
Highschools respond to the community that they are in, socio-economic situations etc.
Most parents want their kids to go far in life, that usually means post secondary.

A school like Bendale collegiate in Scarborough which prepares students for the workforce after highschool would not be in a place like Markham for example. Markham has schools that focus on STEM as well as athletics like Bill Carruthers.
 

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Asians can run? Or does Pokemon GO count as a sport?
Not everyone in Markham is Asian. Bill Carruthers has students coming in from everywhere as well. However, there are elite athletes that happen to be Asian.
 

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No. It was meant to give a basic education for all. The problem is they ONLY prepare students for post secondary. Many are better suited to trades, sales, service jobs. And should be given the tools to do that.
I would think that parents are a big stumbling block to that. Societally, we somehow still believe that University = success and it is a self fulfilling responsibility. I would expect a whole bunch of parents wouldn't take it well if they were told University isn't the best option for little Billy or Jenny.
 

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I would think that parents are a big stumbling block to that. Societally, we somehow still believe that University = success and it is a self fulfilling responsibility. I would expect a whole bunch of parents wouldn't take it well if they were told University isn't the best option for little Billy or Jenny.
And those parents need to adjust. We have a shortage of tradespeople and a glut of Bachelor Degree holders.
 

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When I was in high school it went up to grade 13 in Ontario. Ontario was the only province to go beyond grade 12. What a waste of a year. High school should be reduced to 3 years because after that it's like a bad marriage. The honeymoon in grade 9 is great. You keep fucking throughout grade 10 and by grade 11 you really grow... apart from each other and long to escape the prison. Give the curriculum an overhaul. Students decide to be a scientist, tech guru, or mechanic right after.
 

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p.s. Heard one of the people interviewed on the radio. They said in the past companies had been responsible for these things but said that it hurts their profit margin so the province should now cover it.
 

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When has it ever? Let's be honest.
Generally speaking, most forms of formal schooling can never really prepare students for employment especially if they are disengaged or uninterested. High schools students are particularly disengaged because they are in the rebellious stage of life where they want different things than their parents.

If a student (and it doesn't matter what age) is truly interested in the subject then learning and seeking employment becomes that much easier.
 

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School is about constant learning where your grade is more objective. School success doesn't mean life success. Work is about initial learning and constant reputation until you change positions. Work is about playing the game. I wasn't even an average student while my brothers excelled. Today I make more money between the stock market and my job than 2 highschool principals combined (salary only). School studies in no way prepared me for this. Getting along with people did.
 

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High school doesn't prepare kids for anything.Scrap the art and music classes and teach something kids can use in real life.
 

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High school doesn't prepare kids for anything.Scrap the art and music classes and teach something kids can use in real life.
Yeah, there's no money to be made nor business opportunities to be found in either music or art. Teach real-life skills of lasting value that have a real place in there future lives — driver education f'rinstance,
 

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All of school is essentially trying to teach you how to teach yourself how to learn so when you are out you can have the lateral thinking required to be flexible enough to take a job and learn those skills regardless of the task. Long as the skill sets are within an area you can work with.

Someone just mentioned the interpersonal skills and that’s a larger part than I would believe when I was growing up. 70% of business is interpersonal skills, the rest can be learned on the job. I’m strictly talking about business since that seems to be the sponsor of the study.

Medicine, other STEM etc that requires specific qualifications where people’s lives can depend on it, well that’s more like 50/50. McMaster university has a medical program where they take liberal arts students and teach them medicine. They figure they can teach you medicine but they can’t teach you lateral thinking that comes with liberal arts.

Myself, I got a BSc in a completely different field and wound up in geology because I loved tramping around the bush in college doing timber cruising cause it was fun in the forest for a few summers. Work on my tan, got in great shape running from Bear’s etc. You never know where you will wind up, best hedge your bets and learn how to learn rather than just expecting to get a job with one skill and stay in it your whole career.

My two cents. Have a great day gang.
 

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I heard from someone that some kids graduated from U of T in engineering programs cannot get any decent engineering job. After working in retail for a few years after the graduation from the U of T, those U of T engineering students go back to vocational college to get diplomas which they will have some meaningful jobs after graduating from the vocational colleges.

LOL.... even the U of T graduating from the engineering programs still cannot find a meaningful job after the graduation, forgetting about those 18 years old high school graduates to find a meaningful job / career after completing their education...

Many of IT jobs in areas such as Toronto are now outsourcing to Indian IT workers in India nowadays... That is why we are seeing so many Indian nationals are working in the offices around the GTA working in the IT for the outsourcing Indian companies from India...... We won't have much jobs left because of this outsourcing of jobs to the Indian and Philippines people in India and Philippines... LOL

No one can do anything about this because all the companies' executives and managers are seeing is to "cut costs" by outsourcing jobs to India and Philippines... LOL

Our world just keeps fucking up LOL....

Nothing we can do about it in this world.... except keep fucking those beautiful and lovely cuties from Korea who love to please us.... LOL

We only live once LOL BTW...
 

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(Some) parents are to blame for the lack of preparedness. They won't let their kids learn the consequences of failing in grade school. They make kids think they are special and deserve everything. They steer their kids towards university (without considering program). Flat out kids are coddled.
 
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