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Has The West Normalized Palestinian Deaths?

shack

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Tell us, what education have you received on the Palestinian experience since the Nakba?
That they keep making bad decisions, starting with not taking the land offered in 1947 like Israel did. Look how divergent their paths have been since that very point in time. Their situations were similar prior to that. You can look at that very point in time.

Stupid, stupid decisions. Violence begets violence.
 

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It’s pathetic that this is all you rely on.
The situation of Palis is pathetic and it is all due to the poor decisions made by their leadership.

You keep whining and complaining. Go look in the mirror. All you have is hate, hate speech, losses and loser talk. Go look in the mirror.
 

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That they keep making bad decisions, starting with not taking the land offered in 1947 like Israel did. Look how divergent their paths have been since that very point in time. Their situations were similar prior to that. You can look at that very point in time.

Stupid, stupid decisions. Violence begets violence.
Evasion. What education have you received about the Palestinian experience since the Nakba? What were your sources?
 
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The situation of Palis is pathetic and it is all due to the poor decisions made by their leadership.

You keep whining and complaining. Go look in the mirror. All you have is hate, hate speech, losses and loser talk. Go look in the mirror.
Here, I’ll give you a mirror. Tell everyone what you see after taking it.

 

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Palis have never stopped being terrorized. Even outside the war zone. Non stop videos of Palis being terrorized by Israeli scumbags.
Seems the Palestinian citizens get tortured and killed by fellow Palestinian scumbags for not toeing the line.


Palestinian man tortured to death by Hamas militants after criticizing group and attending protests, family says

Wed April 2, 2025


A 22-year-old Palestinian man was tortured and killed by Hamas militants after he criticized the group publicly and participated in rare anti-Hamas protests in Gaza, his family said.

Uday Rabie was taken last week by dozens of armed fighters with Hamas’ military wing, the Al-Qassam Brigades, in the Tal al-Hawa neighborhood of Gaza City, his brother Hassan Rabie told CNN on Tuesday.

Hassan said his brother had altercations with members of the group around a month before his death and had expressed fears that militants would come for him.

Uday Rabie had also participated alongside thousands of others in anti-Hamas and anti-war protests that took place in the enclave earlier last week, his brother said. Rabie demonstrated in the al-Rimal neighborhood of Gaza City, Hassan said, chanting “No to Hamas” during the rally.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/25/world/video/anti-hamas-protests-northern-gaza-ugc-digvid
Last Friday, a group of armed men affiliated with the Al-Qassam Brigades kidnapped and then tortured Rabie, Hassan said. The Palestinian man was taken off the street, days after he protested.

“They took him, they kept torturing him,” Hassan told CNN. “They then called me and said: come get your brother.”

“He was still alive” when the militants returned him, Hassan said. Rabie was only wearing underwear and the fighters had him “tied by the neck with a rope, and were dragging him, beating him,” Hassan added.

“They handed him over to me, and told me, in these words: This is the fate of everyone who disrespects Al-Qassam Brigades and speaks ill of them,” Hassan said.

Hassan said he collected his injured brother and took him to a nearby hospital. Footage shared on social media showed Rabie lying on a hospital bed, covered in large cuts and bruises that stretched along his arms, back and feet. Hassan confirmed the authenticity of the video, and said the man on the bed was indeed his brother.

Rabie died shortly after being taken to the hospital, he said.

A photo shared with CNN by the family shows Rabie after he died, his face heavily bruised, with parts of his hair and one eyebrow shaved.

Hassan, 32, said that the family is “sure” Rabie was killed by members of the Al-Qassam Brigades, and “we have half of their names.”

CNN has reached out to Hamas’ Government Media Office for comment. The media office has, however, previously said that Palestinians’ right to express their opinions and participate in peaceful demonstrations is a “legitimate right, and an essential part of the national values we believe in and defend,” adding that the protests were reflective of the “tremendous pressure and daily massacres our people are subjected to.”

The Al-Qassam Brigades has not yet publicly commented on the accusations.

A written statement published by Rabie’s family on Facebook said that “a group claiming to be from Al-Qassam Brigades” kidnapped Rabie at 8:30 p.m. on Friday. After hours of searching for Rabie, the statement said, his family was told he was in the hands of the group, who said he needed to be “disciplined” for “cursing them.”

According to the statement, Rabie was “tortured in the most severe manner with all kinds of sharp and hard objects.” He suffered “internal bleeding,” as well as several injuries to the head, pelvis and back, his family said.

In the statement, Rabie’s family demanded retribution, and that Hamas bring those who killed him to justice.

In a video that his brother said was shot about a week before his death, Rabie is seen speaking into the camera: “They (Hamas) want to take me, they want to kill me … I don’t know what they want from me.”

Large demonstrations against Hamas have been held in northern Gaza in recent days as Palestinians call for end to a war in which more than 50,000 people have been killed during Israel’s military campaign following Hamas’ October 7, 2023, attack on Israel.

In a statement, the Independent Commission for Human Rights, a Palestinian rights organization established by former Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) head Yasser Arafat, condemned Rabie’s killing, saying it views “this crime as part of the deteriorating security chaos, the proliferation of weapons, and the absence of the rule of law in Gaza, posing a serious threat to public rights and freedoms.”






 
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Evasion. What education have you received about the Palestinian experience since the Nakba? What were your sources?
I'd go so far as to say shack has never set foot into a Mosque, least of all sit through a sermon. Nor has he been trapped in Gaza by Hamas. So he has probably not been "educated".

What "education have you received" that makes you such an absolute authority on everything going on in Palestine?
 
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Most didn't care about them in first place as the Palestinians crossed into Israel and killed 1200 seniors, men, women, children, dogs. The palistinian civilians assisted hamas in the kidnapping of elderly and babies amongst others. They assassinated everyone they took hostages including the famous babies Bibas, the little cute red head kids.

Did they think that the Israelis or any other country was going to sit there and do nothing? Do they think that any country was going to let them continue with the same murderous philosophy? The palestinians have nobody but themselves to blame.

Did they release all the hostages taken to stop this war? No, they like to sacrifice their own civilians and then complain that civilians are getting killed. They told hamas to give up their weapons, go to another country and the war will stop. But none of these terrorist groups like hamas, Islamic jihad, Iran, Isis want to give up as they feel they'll reach martyrdom by getting killed.

The people that protest in favour of hamas are mostly Muslims, most America muslims supports hamas. Besides that CanadaMan post shows the numbers of dead in Gaza were inflated.

Hamas admits 72% of deaths are combat-aged men as it quietly reduces civilian death toll - report

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/has-the-west-normalized-palestinian-deaths.882914/page-2
 

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That they keep making bad decisions, starting with not taking the land offered in 1947 like Israel did. Look how divergent their paths have been since that very point in time. Their situations were similar prior to that. You can look at that very point in time.

Stupid, stupid decisions. Violence begets violence.
Israel was given land the Palis were losing land. WTF is that so hard to understand unless you are a diehard commie. Or maybe you are a Ziocommie. Ziocommies use the "whats god said is mine and god said whats yours is mine" rule. And can you tell me why Israel has continue to steal what was designated by the UN as Pali territory? What makes you think them accepting it would make any difference.
 
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Even if that were true (and Palestine was NEVER a sovereign state, just a territory, so they were losing nothing at all) are you claiming that the Palestinians with nothing now, are better off than if they'd taken the land that was offered in 1947? Don't be afraid to give a yes or know answer. What's better? Having something of NOTHING. Your arguments are ridiculous.

WTF is so hard to understand unless you are a diehard anti-Semite Jew hater. You don't need to reply because we already know the answer.
That fiction is only peddled by dinosaurs who have never educated themselves about events in the Middle East. You’ve got no juice left. But you do fall back on your usual excuses to refute what you don’t have knowledge of.


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Anti-Semitism has been going on since the days of Pharaoh. Only the justifications for it and the nomenclature have changed.
If I understand it correctly, what is the enslavement of Israelite punishment from God...he too is anti semite!
Even if that were true (and Palestine was NEVER a sovereign state, just a territory, so they were losing nothing at all) are you claiming that the Palestinians with nothing now, are better off than if they'd taken the land that was offered in 1947? Don't be afraid to give a yes or know answer. What's better? Having something of NOTHING. Your arguments are ridiculous.

WTF is so hard to understand unless you are a diehard anti-Semite Jew hater. You don't need to reply because we already know the answer.
Shack, often I understood your arguments but don't agree, however I must call you out on this one to play another card...the antisemitic one is now overused and stale for certain arguments inclusive of this.
 
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Evasion. What education have you received about the Palestinian experience since the Nakba? What were your sources?
It's pretty easy to see. The Israelis have made the desert bloom, had numerous Nobel prizes, won pretty much every incursion. And are allied to the powerful West. The Palestinians are welfare cases with no accomplishments. Despised even by fellow Arabs. Banned from numerous nations, and soon to be a disporia spread out destined to whine for a few more generations.

Their "experience" isn't relevant at this point. That is why they are failing. Just just Don get the fact the world really doesn't care. Even less so now.
 

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It's pretty easy to see. The Israelis have made the desert bloom, had numerous Nobel prizes, won pretty much every incursion. And are allied to the powerful West. The Palestinians are welfare cases with no accomplishments. Despised even by fellow Arabs. Banned from numerous nations, and soon to be a disporia spread out destined to whine for a few more generations.

Their "experience" isn't relevant at this point. That is why they are failing. Just just Don get the fact the world really doesn't care. Even less so now.
On the contrary, Butler1000, there has never been as much public protest and anger in the West against Israeli actions as we've seen in recent memory.

All the Arab nations that were considering normalizing relations with Israel have now pulled back.

Despite the death and destruction, one could argue that Netanyahu and his government have done more—albeit unintentionally—for the Palestinian cause of self-determination than Hamas ever has. That, I’ll give Netanyahu.
 

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It's pretty easy to see. The Israelis have made the desert bloom, had numerous Nobel prizes, won pretty much every incursion. And are allied to the powerful West. The Palestinians are welfare cases with no accomplishments. Despised even by fellow Arabs. Banned from numerous nations, and soon to be a disporia spread out destined to whine for a few more generations.

Their "experience" isn't relevant at this point. That is why they are failing. Just just Don get the fact the world really doesn't care. Even less so now.
‘Poorly educated.
 

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On the contrary, Butler1000, there has never been as much public protest and anger in the West against Israeli actions as we've seen in recent memory.

All the Arab nations that were considering normalizing relations with Israel have now pulled back.

Despite the death and destruction, one could argue that Netanyahu and his government have done more—albeit unintentionally—for the Palestinian cause of self-determination than Hamas ever has. That, I’ll give Netanyahu.
Protest does not equate to support. The leadership and majority either support Israel or are indifferent to them. Seriously, this is an objective thing. They are headed for the same fate as the Tamils. It's going to happen. Israel has retaken the Golan Heights, has whittled down the West Bank to a series of separated villages that will be assimilated by attrition. And within 20 years the Gaza strip will be owned by Israel.

The smart Palestinians will assimilate. The dumb ones end up dead or out on their asses. It's not about what's fair, or what a section of protesters want. It's about the reality of 70 years of conflict and where the two sides are in reality.

Barring a major power suddenly coming on the Palestinians side, their cause is doomed to failure.
 

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Protest does not equate to support. The leadership and majority either support Israel or are indifferent to them. Seriously, this is an objective thing. They are headed for the same fate as the Tamils. It's going to happen. Israel has retaken the Golan Heights, has whittled down the West Bank to a series of separated villages that will be assimilated by attrition. And within 20 years the Gaza strip will be owned by Israel.

The smart Palestinians will assimilate. The dumb ones end up dead or out on their asses. It's not about what's fair, or what a section of protesters want. It's about the reality of 70 years of conflict and where the two sides are in reality.

Barring a major power suddenly coming on the Palestinians side, their cause is doomed to failure.
Fanboi fiction. But that “Protest does not equate to support” is quite the howler.…confirming the poorly educated observation.
 

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Sadly, it's fallen to the government to sustain Israel and by extension the Jewish folks livelihood. This is a sad affair for the future...many Jews and Israelis will often look over their shoulders more often wondering what if...demographics are changing rapidly so will the government policies. Already down south, the approach of America first is questioning support for Israel like never before.

Reliance on draconian laws like curtailing free speech, jail sentences, deportation and forceful imposition of beliefs are reminiscent of the Soviets and communism, how did that end, downfall. There is little positive in the long run from the Israeli approach.

Palestinians are winning alot more minds and hearts than ever before. This doesn't bode well for the future as the governments take their mandates from the populace.

I ask will you live like a Palestinian in Gaza today?

One wise Jew said this:
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It's pretty easy to see. The Israelis have made the desert bloom, had numerous Nobel prizes, won pretty much every incursion. And are allied to the powerful West. The Palestinians are welfare cases with no accomplishments. Despised even by fellow Arabs. Banned from numerous nations, and soon to be a disporia spread out destined to whine for a few more generations.

Their "experience" isn't relevant at this point. That is why they are failing. Just just Don get the fact the world really doesn't care. Even less so now.
Wow next you will be saying its ok for Canada to finish off our indigenous people and delete "native" from O' Canada altogether? 🤷‍♂️ I am pretty confident if your neighborhood was bombed regularly you would be failing. 👍
 
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