Just because it makes sense in your head, it doesn't mean anyone else has a clue what you are saying. Maybe you shouldn't be eating your tinfoil hat.
Hamas arrests Peace Activists
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Right in this thread, you dim witted pud.Just because it makes sense in your head, it doesn't mean anyone else has a clue what you are saying. Maybe you shouldn't be eating your tinfoil hat.
.Israel has NEVER arrested people for simply talking about life with anyone, whether on zoom or elsewhere. Hamas on the other hand openly stated they were arrested simply for talking to Israelis. Have any of them been seen since Hamas took them in?
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And here’s moreYou still have this selective amnesia:
What’s interesting is this :
“An Israeli court issued police with a gag order on the investigation on Thursday, preventing the publication of all information pertaining to the case and its suspects.”
Didn’t you call this “disappearing them “ when Hamas did this?
So...what are their names....who are their lawyers....when did the families visi?It’s identical. And it’s not a media gag order..no one can publish any information. Complete information suppression.
Think it’s different? Tell us if the families have access to them and when they did. Tell us who their lawyers are and when they visited them.
Not sure how you will. That would be published information. Disappeared.
Oh wait. Maybe it’s not identical. Gaza authorities did not make it illegal to report on the suspect. Only Israel made it illegal to have any information published.
C’mon pud.
Why have you spent 10 pages criticizing a few Hamas arrests while you have no issue with over 4000 similar arrests by Israel?Why would I discuss the Palestinian people when the topic is Hamas arresting 6 guys for chatting with random Israeli Jews? Do you want me to blame all Palestinians for the actions of Hamas the way you blame all Israelis for everything you can think of?
Clearly you are here to demonize Palestinians by conflating them with Hamas in every single post.
Why haven't you. Why are you okay with Hamas arresting and making six peace activists disappear for simply chatting with random Israelis but get upset because Israel arrested a guy for meeting with two terrorist groups to plot an attack? In the thread about annexation I've clearly said I'm opposed to it. If I was Israeli I'd be out protesting against it. That's not what this thread is about though. Ten pages in and you're still trying to pretend Hamas arresting people for chatting with Jews isn't a big deal.Why have you spent 10 pages criticizing a few Hamas arrests ....
But sure, we can talk about Palestinians in general if you want.
Do you agree with the 50% of Palestinians who think armed action is the best way to achieve peace?
Do you have anything to say to the 49% of Palestinians who support "attacks on Israeli civilians inside Israel" (wording from Palestinian polling).
I did and I also noted that Israel has arrested over 4,000 people for similar moves, which you support.Why haven't you. Why are you okay with Hamas arresting and making six peace activists disappear for simply chatting with random Israelis but get upset because Israel arrested a guy for meeting with two terrorist groups to plot an attack?
No, but since Israel has killed the idea of peace talks and the Oslo Accords, is against BDS, and is fighting the ICC they are running out of options.Do you agree with the 50% of Palestinians who think armed action is the best way to achieve peace?
When they protest peacefully Israel brings in the snipers and shoots them, women, children and medics included.
Now there are no peace talks and Israel is about to annex, or steal, big chunks of what's left of Palestine.
What option do you think they should use?
You're against boycotts.
You're against using international law.
You're against peaceful protests.
You're against armed resistance.
Got any more options?
Most of this is the result of Trump's 'plan of the century' giving Netanyahu the green light to steal what they want of Palestine.
Given that in one month Israel will take over massive amounts of what is left of Palestine, what do you think they should do?
US “Deal of the Century”:
94% oppose and 4% support the “deal of the century”
Two-thirds support Abbas’ position in opposing the American deal, but between 68% and 73% believe that Abbas will not implement his own declared policy against the plan
The overwhelming majority does not believe the US plan puts an end to the Israeli occupation
77% support ending security coordination, 69% support ending the implementation of the Oslo agreement, and 64% support resort to armed struggle as the means to fight against the US plan
69% are optimistic that the US plan will fail
83% believe that the Palestinians must rely on themselves while 14% think it is possible to rely on the Arab countries
76% oppose and 11% support resumption of Palestinian contacts with the US Administration
You can do better than that.Thanks for confirming how happily you promote anti-semitic tropes of Jews controlling America. Just another place where the far left and far right agree with each other.
You think this is a trope?
Exclusive footage from the censored Al Jazeera documentary, “The Lobby – USA,” shows Israeli government officials taking credit for attacks on Black Lives Matter and reveals an Israel lobbyist explaining how his organization shut down a BLM fundraiser
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Yes. Conspiracy theories about Jews controlling the government are part of standard anti-semitism going back more than a century. You know it but you only care about anti-semitism if it comes from the right.You can do better than that.
You think this is a trope?...
And seriously? A documentary produced by Al Jazeera promoting anti-semitic conspiracy theories is proof that anti-semitic conspiracies aren't anti-semitic?
And once again you pretend that isarel arresting people for violence or planning with two terror groups is any way comparable to peace activists chatting with jews.I did and I also noted that Israel has arrested over 4,000 people for similar moves, which you support.
And what a surprise, Mr Peace and Equal rights refuses to hold the half of Palestinians accountable who think violence is a solution and support attacks on civilians....
What option do you think they should use?...
AIPAC isn't a conspiracy theory, its a well publicized foreign lobby group that regularly has presidents make speeches.Yes. Conspiracy theories about Jews controlling the government are part of standard anti-semitism going back more than a century.
Take up your issues with Netanyahu.
In recording, Netanyahu boasts Israel convinced Trump to quit Iran nuclear deal
Public broadcaster airs clip of PM telling Likud activists US exit came after he stood up ‘against the whole world’ by opposing accord
Israel is 3 weeks from annexation and full on apartheid, yet this is all you will discuss?And once again you pretend that isarel arresting people for violence or planning with two terror groups is any way comparable to peace activists chatting with jews.
The lack of surprise is for you unable to articulate a way forward to peace and tacitly acknowledging that you are in full support of annexation and full on apartheid.And what a surprise, Mr Peace and Equal rights refuses to hold the half of Palestinians accountable who think violence is a solution and support attacks on civilians.
And is not the reason why Hamas is considered a terrorist group. They are one lobby of many and nowhere near the most powerful. But they are Jews so you are happy to assume they are part of a powerful cabal ruling the world.AIPAC isn't a conspiracy theory, its a well publicized foreign lobby group that regularly has presidents make speeches....
Why don't you want to criticize the 50% of Palestinians who think armed action is the best way forward or the 49% who support attack son Israeli civilians inside Israel? Is it because you consider Palestinians beneath contempt and not worth criticizing or are you simply willing to ignore their violent views because they share your agenda of eliminating Israel?...
The lack of surprise is for you unable to articulate a way forward to peace and tacitly acknowledging that you are in full support of annexation and full on apartheid.
Instead all you do is invent obvious lies.
You're crying wolf.They are one lobby of many and nowhere near the most powerful. But they are Jews so you are happy to assume they are part of a powerful cabal ruling the world.
AIPAC is a lobby group, Netanyahu brags about how successful they are and he is.
You really think a lobby group that gets the president to do a guest speech almost every year has no influence?
How about their latest statements, where they tell US politicians what they are now allowed to say?
AIPAC tells US lawmakers it won’t push back if they criticize annexation
Leading pro-Israel lobby privately telling officials it’s okay to condemn planned controversial West Bank move as long as they don’t push to limit US aid to Jewish state
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Because they are powerless.Why don't you want to criticize the 50% of Palestinians who think armed action is the best way forward or the 49% who support attack son Israeli civilians inside Israel? Is it because you consider Palestinians beneath contempt and not worth criticizing or are you simply willing to ignore their violent views because they share your agenda of eliminating Israel?
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They have no military, no jets, no tanks, no drones, no missiles and no nukes.
Israel has the massive, US funded, military that rules over them.
You and Israel have worked to shut down all peaceful avenues, to kill the hopes of any peace talks and to try to stop any quest for justice through international law.
Their issues are the apartheid oppression they live under, the systematic racism that makes the US look positively liberal.
Your defense of groups like Hamas planting bombs and firing war crime missiles is to say that they don't have bombs and missiles?Because they are powerless.
They have no military, no jets, no tanks, no drones, no missiles and no nukes.....
I guess you answered my question as you think Palestinains are incapable of moral choices.
p.s. Hamas who you constantly defend is quite clear that their issue is they don't want Jews living in the region and who refuse to even discuss peace. Just one more thing that you refuse to discuss in your quest for peace and equal rights.
The PA has allegedly submitted a peace proposal for a two state peace. I'm sure you'll condemn them for it and continue to back Hamas who will have nothing to do with it.
So right wingers suggesting Jews have inordinate control of the US (or Canada) are antisemitic but when you say it to attack Israel, it's all good.You're crying wolf., ...
I'll say it again, Canada considering Hamas a terrorist entity has nothing to do with this all power Jewish lobby you believe in but simply the fact that Hamas is still targeting civilians in it's attempt to eliminate the Jewish presence.
You already said that plan is dead in the water.The PA has allegedly submitted a peace proposal for a two state peace. I'm sure you'll condemn them for it and continue to back Hamas who will have nothing to do with it.
Were Israel to accept and initiate the two state solution as presented I would be happy for both sides in the hope that the violence would stop.
But like you said, its not going to happen.
Instead, in 3 weeks Netanyahu will create the full on Apartheid state of Israel.
The apartheid one state solution, complete with Bantustans.
And you will continue to blame the victims.
Israel used snipers to target and kill 300 hundred civilian protesters and injure another 14,000 over the last year alone.Hamas is still targeting civilians in it's attempt to eliminate the Jewish presence.
Your racist bias defends killing and maiming civilians.
I say bring in the ICC and have them investigate and charge both sides.
You refuse to accept any challenges to Israel's ability to shoot and kill civilians at will.
???? I think the voices in your head are talking to you again.You already said that plan is dead in the water....
This is an amazing thread where instead of just accepting that Hamas was wrong to arrest peace activists for simply talking to Israeli civilians, you've gone round and round trying to find something to blame Israel for. I do give you credit for realizing how stupid it was to push your short lived excuse that Hamas was only doing what Palestinians want. You have claimed that Israel is worse because it arrests people for planning with multiple terrorist groups. You tried to say Israel was worse because they briefly arrested and then released a guy based on a translation error and you have repeatedly tried to claim that Israel was worse because it arrested people for violence and threats.
Now you realize that no matter how much you want to, there is no way to defend Hamas on this without making yourself look even stupider so you try to change the topic to something else. I've already been very clear that I oppose any unilateral annexation plan but you have nothing else to go on so you keep making up bullshit.
As I've said before, the only reason you use this line is because you know there is no way for Hamas to be punished. Hamas is already considered a terrorist group and their leaders already banned from travelling anywhere in the rights respecting world....
I say bring in the ICC and have them investigate and charge both sides.....
