Hamas arrests Peace Activists

[basketcase]

I think its wrong that you only criticize Palestinians...

Your attempts to pretend Israel is worse are getting even more pathetic. If you find any cases of Israel arresting people for zooming about their daily lives I will happily condemn them too. Even your own example was based on a mistake by facebook, they quickly released the guy and apologised.

The guys Hamas took in have yet to see light of day. Sadly your ideological blinders prevents you from actually condemning Hamas even when they completely attack the human rights you claim to support.


As for annexation, I know you are just knee-jerk posting anything you think Israel makes bad but I agree that annexation is a very bad idea. I also am aware enough that there is no bill for annexation tabled yet and if it is, it is unlikely to pass the cabinet.

But I'm surprised at you. You keep telling us that there should be One State but here you are now saying it's a bad thing. Make up your mind.

 

[Frankfooter]

But I'm surprised at you. You keep telling us that there should be One State but here you are now saying it's a bad thing. Make up your mind.

One state with equal rights, that's what I've said all along.
Its only you that is happy with the one state, apartheid solution here.
Well, you do have jcpro and phil backing apartheid as well, I think.

And you may have a point, Israel may have arrested fewer people for zoom meetings.
I'll give you that one claim as long as you also admit that Israel arrests way more people for political views, poetry, facebook posts, social media and protesting.

 

[Liminal]

...the dead bodies dragged by Hamas were ever convicted of anything?

Sorry but you are arguing for lynching simply because you hate Israel.

You do realize none of 1000 plus Palestinians who were maimed, disabled, decapitated and murdered because of the targeting information provided by these collaborators to the enemy were tried and there was no evidence given as to their guilt.

The rabid zealot shows he doesn't care about rule of law unless he can blame it on Palestinians.

 

[Liminal]

So you think it is wrong to criticize the Hamas government for locking up people for simply talking to Jews? Pathetic.

They didn’t.

And they are not holding 461 people without a charge or trial. Who is?

Also....what about this...you developed a temporary amnesia ��

What’s interesting is this :

“An Israeli court issued police with a gag order on the investigation on Thursday, preventing the publication of all information pertaining to the case and its suspects.”

Didn’t you call this “disappearing them “ when Hamas did this?

 

[basketcase]

You do realize none of ...

And look at you still justifying the lynching and desecration of bodies by Hamas.

 

[basketcase]

One state with equal rights, that's what I've said all along....

Israel has NEVER arrested people for simply talking about life with anyone, whether on zoom or elsewhere. Hamas on the other hand openly stated they were arrested simply for talking to Israelis. Have any of them been seen since Hamas took them in?

 

[Liminal]

Israel has NEVER arrested people for simply talking about life with anyone, whether on zoom or elsewhere. Hamas on the other hand openly stated they were arrested simply for talking to Israelis. Have any of them been seen since Hamas took them in?

You still have this selective amnesia:

What’s interesting is this :

“An Israeli court issued police with a gag order on the investigation on Thursday, preventing the publication of all information pertaining to the case and its suspects.”

Didn’t you call this “disappearing them “ when Hamas did this?

 

[Liminal]

And look at you still justifying the lynching and desecration of bodies by Hamas.

You do realize none of 1000 plus Palestinians who were maimed, disabled, decapitated and murdered because of the targeting information provided by these collaborators to the enemy were tried and there was no evidence given as to their guilt.

The rabid zealot shows he doesn't care about rule of law unless he can blame it on Palestinians.

 

[Frankfooter]

Israel has NEVER arrested people for simply talking about life with anyone, whether on zoom or elsewhere. Hamas on the other hand openly stated they were arrested simply for talking to Israelis. Have any of them been seen since Hamas took them in?

Yes, the difference there being that Hamas is living under a brutal occupation and illegal blockade run through apartheid.

I see that you're using this one activist who had been brought in for questioning for the same acts multiple times over a decade as a diversion to avoid answering the bigger, more important questions.
As in will you continue to support Israel as they annex Palestine and cement in their apartheid rule?
How far do you bend over to keep supporting them?

 

[basketcase]

You still have this selective amnesia:

What’s interesting is this :

“An Israeli court issued police with a gag order on the investigation on Thursday, preventing the publication of all information pertaining to the case and its suspects.”

Didn’t you call this “disappearing them “ when Hamas did this?

So you try and compare a media gag order to Hamas making 6 guys disappear with no access to family or lawyers? I think you are better stick to praising Hamas for lynching people and dragging their bodies through the streets.

 

[basketcase]

Yes, the difference there being that Hamas is...

And look at you making excuses for Hamas again. So much for the defender of human rights.

Hamas is very clear that they arrested these guys simply for a zoom chat with Israelis about covid and daily lives but instead of condemning them the way your Amnesty has, you lie about Israeli being arrested for it and justify Hamas' actions.

 

[Liminal]

So you try and compare a media gag order to Hamas making 6 guys disappear with no access to family or lawyers? I think you are better stick to praising Hamas for lynching people and dragging their bodies through the streets.

It’s identical. And it’s not a media gag order..no one can publish any information. Complete information suppression.

Think it’s different? Tell us if the families have access to them and when they did. Tell us who their lawyers are and when they visited them.

Not sure how you will. That would be published information. Disappeared.

Oh wait. Maybe it’s not identical. Gaza authorities did not make it illegal to report on the suspect. Only Israel made it illegal to have any information published.

C’mon pud.

 

[Frankfooter]

And look at you making excuses for Hamas again. So much for the defender of human rights.

Hamas is very clear that they arrested these guys simply for a zoom chat with Israelis about covid and daily lives but instead of condemning them the way your Amnesty has, you lie about Israeli being arrested for it and justify Hamas' actions.

Bullshit, I criticized this action and then pointed out equally stupid actions by Israel, which you defended.

Then we pointed out how you went on and on about this while ignoring massive crimes committed by Israel and Israelis during the same time.
While Israel's government is presently working out a coalition based on annexing Palestine and cementing apartheid the only issue you are concerned about is with one activist who has been questioned for the same acts multiple times by Hamas?

Talk about a messed up moral scale, you're just looking for anything to demonize Palestinians while you ignore Israeli crimes.

So you support this:
FBI OPENED TERRORISM INVESTIGATIONS INTO NONVIOLENT PALESTINIAN SOLIDARITY GROUP, DOCUMENTS REVEAL
Which is exactly the same as what you accuse Hamas of.

And you think that one Hamas move is more evil than this?
Greater Israel is the objective as Netanyahu plans to wipe Palestine off the map

 

[Cantaro]

Not excuses. Reasons.

In the interest of balance, why don’t you post some pictures of the 1000 plus Palestinian men, women and children dismembered, decapitated and wounded as a result of the targeting information given by these collaborators against their own people?

Collaborators have met this fate in every conflict. Nothing unique about Palestinians.

You must be posting from Gaza, where this type of behavior is ok and excusable. Nobody here will agree that dragging people around like that is ok.

 

[Liminal]

You must be posting from Gaza, where this type of behavior is ok and excusable. Nobody here will agree that dragging people around like that is ok.

Who knows where you are from. No Canadian I know would tolerate a collaborator giving targeting information to the enemy that results in their family members being slaughtered.

Should we be worried about you being a potential collaborator?

 

[jerimander]

Ever since the introduction of black rule in South Africa, the word "apartheid" has lost its power to shock.

 

[Frankfooter]

Ever since the introduction of black rule in South Africa, the word "apartheid" has lost its power to shock.

Is it hard to type when you're wearing the white hood?

Fortunately there is some good news, most younger Palestinians are happy to fight for equal rights and the vote in a one state solution.

Palestinians are ‘happy’ to pursue equal rights in one state, and European and Arab countries will sign on, says Obama’s ambassador

What you hear from younger Palestinians– and when I say younger, I mean pretty much anyone under 40 and maybe a bit older than that these days–is they believe that two states is pretty much a pipedream, their parents’ or grandparents’ dream, they’re very critical of their own leadership who have of course made it very difficult for the next generation to rise into politics but also haven’t delivered.. on the promise of two states…

Most of them say, You know what, if two states is impossible, what we just really want is the rights of citizenship. And they’d be happy to pursue those rights in a one-state scenario and again, seeing a unilateral annexation executed I think would very much strengthen that trend. It may be five years or ten years or fifteen years, but I think that a lot of countries including a lot of the Arab states who are quite friendly to Israel and other countries as well certainly in Europe and in other places, would over time drift in the direction of advocating for that. They would say, You know what, if two states is impossible, Here’s an alternative, where everyone would have the right to vote and representation in a parliament, one democratic state between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River.

 

[basketcase]

Bullshit, I criticized this action and then pointed out equally stupid actions by Israel, which you defended....

Hamas has openly and clearly stated that these guys were arrested for conversing with Israeli Jews and as far as I'm aware, neither their family nor lawyers have heard from them.
On the other hand, you have yet to identify a single case where an Israeli was arrested simply for chatting with a Palestinian. You are utterly full of shit.


p.s. Your attempted counter example is incredibly stupid.
1) No one was ever arrested.
2) Do you think the FBI is an Israeli organisation?

 

[basketcase]

It’s identical. And it’s not a media gag order..no one can publish any information. ....

Do you really not know what a media gag order is?

And yes, Hamas made it illegal to talk to Israelis. I guess you're just upset that Hamas hasn't publicly lynched those 6 guys yet.

 

[basketcase]

Who knows where you are from. No Canadian I know would tolerate a collaborator giving targeting information to the enemy that results in their family members being slaughtered.

Should we be worried about you being a potential collaborator?

No Canadian would tolerate publicly lynching people and dragging their bodies around the streets.