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Leimonis

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rgkv

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About 21k Americans die by guns(excluding suicides) every year out of population of well over 320 million. How many die of drug overdoses pouring through the open borders every year? Let me help you- over 78 THOUSAND.
Druggies cause their own deaths,... Not exactly the same as my kid being shot at school, walking to the mall, in church, not by the person but by the gun🤬...Druggies belong in a hospital, the guy who was holding that bad bad gun, I say the gallows
 

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In that age, civilians could own the exact same rifle (cutting edge weapons technology at the time) issued to infantry and keep it in their own homes. That is no longer the case, as the average civilian can't own an M-16/M4; the AR-15 is a compromise.

Yet the ignorant continue conflate the two and spread disinformation.
What kind of compromise if all it is doing is taking out some innocent lives in this day and age?
The AR-15's only difference from the M-16 is that the latter is an automatic as compared to the AR-15 being a semi-automatic. They have almost identical capabilities, however, it is still legal in some states to own the AR16, although they have some restrictions with relation to owning them. These are the true facts. However they then cross the State border lines illegally to end up anywhere in the USA!!
 

jcpro

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What kind of compromise if all it is doing is taking out some innocent lives in this day and age?
The AR-15's only difference from the M-16 is that the latter is an automatic as compared to the AR-15 being a semi-automatic. They have almost identical capabilities, however, it is still legal in some states to own the AR16, although they have some restrictions with relation to owning them. These are the true facts. However they then cross the State border lines illegally to end up anywhere in the USA!!
AR- 15 is just a sporting rifle and even not that particularly powerful. The reason you're talking about it it's because it is the most popular semi auto rifle in America. There are many other that are just as capable and lot more powerful rifles than AR-15. In any case, the vast majority of gun crimes are committed with handguns in US.
 

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AR- 15 is just a sporting rifle and even not that particularly powerful. The reason you're talking about it it's because it is the most popular semi auto rifle in America. There are many other that are just as capable and lot more powerful rifles than AR-15. In any case, the vast majority of gun crimes are committed with handguns in US.
Did you know that a user can modify an AR-15 to function as an automatic weapon, using a device called the "bump stock"?
Though they were made illegal, the Courts put a hold on them as they considered that decision to be "Unconstitutional"!!
The Bump Stock was used in the mass shooting in Las Vegas causing numerous deaths and injuries.
Also, automatic weapons manufactured prior to 1986 are legal to own provided there is a fee paid and it conforms to certain criteria various states!!
 

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Did you know that a user can modify an AR-15 to function as an automatic weapon, using a device called the "bump stock"?
Though they were made illegal, the Courts put a hold on them as they considered that decision to be "Unconstitutional"!!
The Bump Stock was used in the mass shooting in Las Vegas causing numerous deaths and injuries.
Also, automatic weapons manufactured prior to 1986 are legal to own provided there is a fee paid and it conforms to certain criteria various states!!
ROTFLMFAO!!! Anyone who knows anything about shooting knows that firing on rock and roll is a waste of ammo. It works great with pistol size rounds like the Israeli Uzi or the German MP-5, but it's shit with a rifle.
 

bver_hunter

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ROTFLMFAO!!! Anyone who knows anything about shooting knows that firing on rock and roll is a waste of ammo. It works great with pistol size rounds like the Israeli Uzi or the German MP-5, but it's shit with a rifle.
You are really no expert at all wrt guns. ROTFLMAO!!
 

jcpro

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You are really no expert at all wrt guns. ROTFLMAO!!
Expert on what? I came up on Mauser, Mosin Nagant, SKS and AK-47 in the old country. In the Canadian military I carried C7 and C9 and FN in the very beginning and used MP-5 a few times. Although I don't own anything major, I'm comfortable with firearms and know how to use them regardless of type and purpose. Fully automatic weapons are a lot of fun, if they're small size and caliber. . Full size rifles and machine guns on full auto is fucking serious work and carrying the ammo is a bitch.
 

bver_hunter

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Expert on what? I came up on Mauser, Mosin Nagant, SKS and AK-47 in the old country. In the Canadian military I carried C7 and C9 and FN in the very beginning and used MP-5 a few times. Although I don't own anything major, I'm comfortable with firearms and know how to use them regardless of type and purpose. Fully automatic weapons are a lot of fun, if they're small size and caliber. . Full size rifles and machine guns on full auto is fucking serious work and carrying the ammo is a bitch.
But yet you cannot comprehend that the AR-15 can be upgraded to being an automatic using the Bump Stock and that is what is responsible for mass killings of innocent children and adults.
Stop the BS that you were in the "Canadian Military". We do not buy it!!
 

bver_hunter

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ROTFLMAO!!!

"The only difference" is a pretty big difference but I can't fix your ignorance.
Again coupling the AR-15 with the Bump Stock upgrades it to an automatic that has resulted in some mass shootings.
You as usual catch the bull by the tail... ROTFLMAO!!
 

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But yet you cannot comprehend that the AR-15 can be upgraded to being an automatic using the Bump Stock and that is what is responsible for mass killings of innocent children and adults.
Stop the BS that you were in the "Canadian Military". We do not buy it!!
You must not be aware that converting a firearm to full auto is already illegal.

Bump stocks are a gimmick, most shooters don't care whether or not they are legal; they probably actually saved lives in Vegas.
 

jcpro

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But yet you cannot comprehend that the AR-15 can be upgraded to being an automatic using the Bump Stock and that is what is responsible for mass killings of innocent children and adults.
Stop the BS that you were in the "Canadian Military". We do not buy it!!
Almost ALL semi automatics can be upgraded to full auto by a semi skilled gunsmith. Did the trans killer use a fully auto weapon? Oh, btw. I don't give a flying fuck what you believe or not.
 

cunning linguist

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Calling it now, there's gonna be a link to some disinformation making the 5.56/.223 sound like a super deadly cartridge that somehow liquefies internal organs and decapitates 6 year olds. I predict buzzwords like "tumbling" and "fragmentation" will be quoted and misunderstood by people who don't know the first thing about ballistics.
 

bver_hunter

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You must not be aware that converting a firearm to full auto is already illegal.

Bump stocks are a gimmick, most shooters don't care whether or not they are legal; they probably actually saved lives in Vegas.
They saved lives?

The Las Vegas Mass Shooter Had 13 Rifles Outfitted with Bump Stocks. He Used Them to Fire 1,049 Rounds.


58 Lives lost and 800 injured. How did it save lives? You are beyond redemption!!
 

bver_hunter

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Almost ALL semi automatics can be upgraded to full auto by a semi skilled gunsmith. Did the trans killer use a fully auto weapon? Oh, btw. I don't give a flying fuck what you believe or not.
More reason than to have far more restrictions on Gun Laws as they are getting more and more dangerous and in a place like the USA over 45,000 lives were lost in 2022 just from guns related deaths!!

Yes, I do not believe BS!!
 

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More reason than to have far more restrictions on Gun Laws as they are getting more and more dangerous and in a place like the USA over 45,000 lives were lost in 2022 just from guns related deaths!!

Yes, I do not believe BS!!
Guns do not kill people. Members of Congress who do nothing to stem gun violence other than offer thoughts and prayers after the fact kill people.
 

jcpro

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Calling it now, there's gonna be a link to some disinformation making the 5.56/.223 sound like a super deadly cartridge that somehow liquefies internal organs and decapitates 6 year olds. I predict buzzwords like "tumbling" and "fragmentation" will be quoted and misunderstood by people who don't know the first thing about ballistics.
Ironically, when they switched from 7.62 NATO to 5.56, one of the "selling points " was that the 5.56 would cause more wounds than outright kills which would cause greater confusion and expansion of resources by the gentlemen opposite.
 
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