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I'm just as concerned about a lack of freedom brought on by capitalism than I am about a lack of freedom brought on by government activity.Diode said:
Guns and the Citizen
- Thread starter BiggieE
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I can not believe that you are saying something I need to listen to and not absolutly and empahticaly blast as left wing knee jerk crap. Our conclusions may differ but it would be niave and stupid not to consider all such issues.yychobbyist said:
With guns the villan is the gun industry which by supporting so called freedom for gun owners actually impedes on the freedom of all for a safe environement; the only saviour is the governement helping in the effort to resolve the documented problems and make people of good will work together.
Not impressed
Americans, I believe, above all other western cultures, worship the gun. Not many other issues seem to inflame their emotions as much as this one. I believe the sad fact is that most murders occur between people who know each other and are often domestic violence oriented.
I find it sad that you feel the need to arm yourself so heavily. It's unlikely that home invaders would give the opportunity to access your safe to unite your weapons with your ammunition.
Americans, I believe, above all other western cultures, worship the gun. Not many other issues seem to inflame their emotions as much as this one. I believe the sad fact is that most murders occur between people who know each other and are often domestic violence oriented.
I find it sad that you feel the need to arm yourself so heavily. It's unlikely that home invaders would give the opportunity to access your safe to unite your weapons with your ammunition.
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islandboy said:
Ok, so, don't take this personally or anything but I've read and re-read this a number of times and I'm still not sure whether I should be flattered or enraged.
God Bless Canada!
Where I have never had to think or worry about walking down the street with fear because I don't know who is carrying a gun except the police.
And God Bless America!
For having the highest crime/murder rate because of guns. Makes alot of sense to me.
Annessa
xoxo
Where I have never had to think or worry about walking down the street with fear because I don't know who is carrying a gun except the police.
And God Bless America!
For having the highest crime/murder rate because of guns. Makes alot of sense to me.
Annessa
xoxo
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Annessa said:God Bless Canada!
Where I have never had to think or worry about walking down the street with fear because I don't know who is carrying a gun except the police.
And God Bless America!
For having the highest crime/murder rate because of guns. Makes alot of sense to me.
Annessa
xoxo
Not to sound like an ass, but your trying to tell me that none of the criminal types in Canada are armed?....with even a little knife?....
In reading all the posts, In my opinion, this boils down to the control of people, as in criminals, vs the control of an object, as in guns. Of course we all know it's easier to control objects than it is people. People have Rights, and objects do not. If we take all the objects away, then people will behave...I wish it were that simple......
I think you should go back and actually read my posts in this thread. My collection is in the safe. The Little Glock I use for protection is NOT in the safe. During the day it is hidden where only I know where it is. At night, when I'm tapping out inane responses to questions from people that don't read the whole thread before commenting, my little Glock is loaded, and sitting on the table next to my keyboard. If someone blows my front door in, I have 41 rounds, in of .45 ACP, in 4 magazines, ready to greet them, and in case you missed that part, I have many HOURS of training, so that the only ones that I shoot, are the ones that NEED it.....From the statistics I have read on the US DEPT of Justice website, most gun killings in the US are drug related. There's another thread.Cisco said:
Why sad?..If I don't need it, it sits there like a cup of coffe...If I do, it's there, ready to go....strange1 said:
I think it's sad so many people are willing to believe that the police can protect them from everything, when in reality, all the police can do is take names and haul you off to a cold room with your own slab....now THAT'S sad.....
Oh dear...
I believe that if you live in an environment where you can't feel comfortable walking around without a gun, then there's something wrong with your environment. Introducing more potential for violence, by carrying a gun of your own, does nothing to solve the problem.
If the danger where you live (wherever that is) is so great that you feel you need a gun (but, then again, you've never used it so perhaps you are just paranoid) then you should focus your energy in changing your environment to make it a safer place.
My home is safe without guns and I can walk anywhere I want to go at any time of day or night without needing a gun to make me feel safe. This is the kind of home I want and if I ever felt unsafe being unarmed here, I'd do whatever it took to bring back the safety I enjoy today. What I would not ever do, is escalate the situation by adding another gun (carried by me) to the mix.
A gun, especially a pistol or other sidearm, exists for the sole and only purpose of inflicting serious injury or death to another person. It is not a case of a useful tool that can be dangerous if used incorrectly (like a car, hammer, or baseball bat); it is a case of a tool that is specifically designed to be an instrument of homicide. Everyone who carries a gun is adding one more weapon to an environment where weapons should not exist. Nothing about that is progressive, helpful, or appropriate.
It makes no difference whether you are trained in the use of the weapon or not; it is still a killing machine that has no place in civilised human society. Stupidly enough, many NRA members even object to a skills-based licensing requirement to carry a concealed weapon. Why, after all, should one be required to demonstrate that they can use a gun correctly before they are allowed to carry a lethal weapon in public? Maybe we should distribute "public" guns in phone-booth and other easily accessible locations. That way, people are saved the hassle of dealing with that unsightly bulge in their jacket and could just pick up a public gun whenever they needed one...you could even rig these devices to require that a quarter be deposited for every bullet fired.
I know many Americans who favour serious gun control. It is clearly only a segment of American society that has gone off the deep-end with regard to this issue. Still America suffers more gun-related injuries per-capita than any country in the world that is not an active war-zone. Simultaneously, our friends to the south have some of the most rediculously lenient gun laws inthe world...coincidence? Sure!
Zog.
Good thing they carry them then. If you've never used your gun, does that not (perhaps) mean that you don't need to carry it? After all, since it's concealed and only you know it's there, it can't have done anything real to contribute to your safety...it's clearly all in your head.BiggieE said:
I believe that if you live in an environment where you can't feel comfortable walking around without a gun, then there's something wrong with your environment. Introducing more potential for violence, by carrying a gun of your own, does nothing to solve the problem.
If the danger where you live (wherever that is) is so great that you feel you need a gun (but, then again, you've never used it so perhaps you are just paranoid) then you should focus your energy in changing your environment to make it a safer place.
My home is safe without guns and I can walk anywhere I want to go at any time of day or night without needing a gun to make me feel safe. This is the kind of home I want and if I ever felt unsafe being unarmed here, I'd do whatever it took to bring back the safety I enjoy today. What I would not ever do, is escalate the situation by adding another gun (carried by me) to the mix.
A gun, especially a pistol or other sidearm, exists for the sole and only purpose of inflicting serious injury or death to another person. It is not a case of a useful tool that can be dangerous if used incorrectly (like a car, hammer, or baseball bat); it is a case of a tool that is specifically designed to be an instrument of homicide. Everyone who carries a gun is adding one more weapon to an environment where weapons should not exist. Nothing about that is progressive, helpful, or appropriate.
It makes no difference whether you are trained in the use of the weapon or not; it is still a killing machine that has no place in civilised human society. Stupidly enough, many NRA members even object to a skills-based licensing requirement to carry a concealed weapon. Why, after all, should one be required to demonstrate that they can use a gun correctly before they are allowed to carry a lethal weapon in public? Maybe we should distribute "public" guns in phone-booth and other easily accessible locations. That way, people are saved the hassle of dealing with that unsightly bulge in their jacket and could just pick up a public gun whenever they needed one...you could even rig these devices to require that a quarter be deposited for every bullet fired.
I know many Americans who favour serious gun control. It is clearly only a segment of American society that has gone off the deep-end with regard to this issue. Still America suffers more gun-related injuries per-capita than any country in the world that is not an active war-zone. Simultaneously, our friends to the south have some of the most rediculously lenient gun laws inthe world...coincidence? Sure!
Zog.
I carry my gun because I want to. If I do as you say, and leave it home, that is when I will need it. Murphy's Law. It's like when you leave your pen on the kitchen counter when you leave the house. As soon as you need it it's not there. I would MUCH rather have it' and never need it, then to need it, and have left in in the safe.....A friend of the family used to live in an area where you were stupid to go there WITHOUT a gun. We did get him to move finally, but not before some drug head, broke into his house, thinking it was the crack house next door. We were rather glad he had his 9mm that nite....
Murphy's law is NOT A REAL LAW!!!!
Zog.
How can I argue with a law of nature. You're right of course; please forgive my naivité.BiggieE said:
Zog.
I know it sounds stupid, but how many times have4 you found it to be true?..The first time you've been stopped by the police for a violation on the road...you registration is in your wallet....sitting on the dresser at home....
It's like the line in "True Grit"...."A gun that's UNLOADED and cocked ain't good for nuthin'".......
It's like the line in "True Grit"...."A gun that's UNLOADED and cocked ain't good for nuthin'".......
Don't they have common sense in your country?
Of course the other option is to obey the laws, carry your wallet, and forget about the gun. Then you'll drive safely, not get into a hassle with the cops, and stop the escalation of lethal weapons in your community. Would it be so bad to live in that world?
Zog.
We agree on something.BiggieE said:
Counting this time...exactly zero.
So you're not careful enough to remember your wallet but you always remember to strap-on your piece (pun intended)? Interesting priorities you seem to have.
Of course the other option is to obey the laws, carry your wallet, and forget about the gun. Then you'll drive safely, not get into a hassle with the cops, and stop the escalation of lethal weapons in your community. Would it be so bad to live in that world?
Zog.
Well as soon as I become perfect like you, and live in the perfect, safe world, where nobody knocks down old folks, just to steal their Social Security check, and the police point the radar gun at the guy going by me at 80, then I might think about leaving my gun at home.zog said:
It's not the guns I have a problem with. It's the intent of certain people who have them, namely criminals, most of whom should be locked away....from US. People like me are a threat to no one.
btw....The suburb I live in has'nt had a gun murder in 30 years, but we have had a few knifings.....I guess you people are going to take away all our kitchen untensils next, and make us eat with those spork-thingys.....
