Gunmen opens fire are Congressional baseball game/practice.
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It's to stop an abuse of power by a rogue leader I believe. Not to express dissent or disagreement with a politician acting within the Constitution. IMHO.
I don't find that too consoling if someone used automatic fire into a big crowd. Very true if it's a scattered crowd, but a tight bunch? God forbid.
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Yes, so much I understand. But it appears to leave the decision if abuse of power has happened to the individual citizen, who is then allowed to take up arms.
Yet a great many people were murdered over the past three weeks in the U.K. a state with very strict regulation of firearms.
A great many more people were shot in the US in the same period, just from carelessness and other 'ordinary' interactions. Never mind the so-called political stuff like this. Clearly banning firearms does nothing to prevent that sort of murderousness, but it does make the killers and crazies have to try harder and work with less lethal tools.
And it keeps the suicides, and the victims of a moment's rage, crime or carelessness alive.
Radical extremist Alt Left terrorism is the real threat to the western world. They've been spewing their hate at Trump supporters and white people in general for years now and formed a disgusting alliance with Black supremacism and radical Islamic terrorism in particular who share the same hatred.
The Alt Left are the real danger and threat and danger to the Western world.
The Alt Left are the real danger and threat and danger to the Western world.
Drug trade is the real threat to the western world
Corrupt leaders like Putin, Duterte and Kim Jong-un are the real threat to the western world
Countries and organizations that manipulate the world's economy (i.e. China, Saudi Arabia, world bank/central banks) are the real threat to the western world
Poverty, ignorance and misinformation are the real threat to the western world
I could go on.
Absolutely radicalized religions are a threat, but in terms of actual impact (measured as deaths or dollars), it's well down the list.
I'm not going to bother fact checking your graphs, but the information is 100% misleading, more people are killed in a day because of the drug trade than are killed by Islamic terrorists in a year in the USA.
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here's your poster child lefty
here's your poster child lefty
Horrific. Leftist have pretty much declared war.
GOP rep. received threatening email with subject line 'One down, 216 to go...' after lawmaker shooting
The office of Rep. Claudia Tenney (R-N.Y.) received a threatening email with the subject line “One down, 216 to go…,” shortly after a shooter opened fire on GOP lawmakers who were at a congressional baseball practice, according to her office.
The person who sent the email then wrote in the body of the email, "Did you NOT expect this?"
"Did you NOT expect this? When you take away ordinary peoples very lives in order to pay off the wealthiest among us, your own lives are forfeit. Certainly, your souls and morality were lost long before. Good riddance,” the email said.
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GOP rep. received threatening email with subject line 'One down, 216 to go...' after lawmaker shooting
The office of Rep. Claudia Tenney (R-N.Y.) received a threatening email with the subject line “One down, 216 to go…,” shortly after a shooter opened fire on GOP lawmakers who were at a congressional baseball practice, according to her office.
The person who sent the email then wrote in the body of the email, "Did you NOT expect this?"
"Did you NOT expect this? When you take away ordinary peoples very lives in order to pay off the wealthiest among us, your own lives are forfeit. Certainly, your souls and morality were lost long before. Good riddance,” the email said.
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Even in a big crowd the odds are more bullets hitting nothing or multiple bullets hitting one person. More would die with thirty aimed shots than one burst of thirty.
Also unless this individual has trained and practiced extensively the odds are after the first few bullets the rest go over everyone's head. It takes A LOT of training to control the recoil on an automatic weapon.
Even with a semi auto if you rapid fire it's hard for even an experienced shooter to prevent muzzle climb.
Killing 22 and injuring 119 or even eight killed and 48 seriously injured, that was less lethal? Come on you are merely attempting to wiggle around that fact that murders use whatever weapons they can get their hands on to kill.
I don't think we can conclude what kind of weapon it is just yet. Several sources report it as a M4-like weapon, there are several M4 variants including automatic. Yet other reports claim the weapon was a AR-15 which is semi-automatic.
He was from Illinois which prohibits automatic weapons. But several articles said he was recently living in Virginia which allows automatic weapons.
We'll have to wait on the facts.
The state regulations are a bit of a red herring. To possess an automatic firearm in the United States you must have a license from the ATF, these are not issued with a generous hand, require a full background check as well as payment of substantial fees, further the hopeful owner must have their local police chief or sheriff sign off on the license (and they can refuse to do so), not least the U.S. National Firearms registry (NFA registry) was closed to fully automatic firearms in 1986, therefore only holders of a U.S. Class III Federal Firearms License (and these are not common) or a police agency may legally posess a post-1986 full automatic firearm.
Add to this that James Hodgkinson has a criminal history and for all of these reasons it is about as certain as anything can be without an official statement that it was a semi-automatic firearm.
Good info - thanks! I'm going to wait on the facts. I read-up a fair bit and it looks like it's a major challenge to convert an AR-15 to full automatic. However apparently it's easy to convert a M4 to full automatic. The needed parts can be easily machined in a basic machine shop or bought on the Internet under guise of other products. One of the many things Will Hayden (Sons of Guns) was accused of was shipping similar parts all over the US knowing they were conversion kits yet claiming they were vacuum parts.
BTW Hayden is now in prison serving life for the rape of two children. That guy went from honoured Marine and TV celeb to scumbag is no time.
