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Phil C. McNasty

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frankcastle

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Summer of the gun 1.0 was in 2005, it had 144 shootings with 52 people dead. It also includes victims who were shot after the summer that same year.

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Total number of shooting victims in Toronto http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/statistics/ytd_stats.php

2009 - 174
2010 - 155
2011 - 124
2012 - 177

Note: There's still 167 days left in 2012!

To say there isn't a problem is simply being naive.

The reason the murder rate isn't higher this year comes down to luck and the fact that EMS is getting better at saving lives.
EMS deserve some of the credit but I think the average gun toting thug just isn't that good of a shot.

Again didn't say there wasn't a problem. Never said that. And yes we are going to set a record. Onl part I object to is when people say blacks instead of gang members it's like saying car when you mean SUV.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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They were saying on the news cops gotta start doing RIDE checks for guns.

Its not a bad idea actually
 

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Watching Chief Bill Blair speak on CP 24. He asked "the community" to break the "code of silence" and assist the police in apprehending the culprits. Sadly, this is not the first mass shooting nor I fear will it be the last.

P.S. Guys, please note I did not use the "B" word so please don't get on your high horse and start throwing the "R" word around.
Really Chief Blair? You want "the community" to break the "code of silence"? I suppose it's no different than when Police refuse to hand over their notes or refuse to cooperate with the SIU.
 

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I got no problem with kids being at a well run, controlled, mature, family oriented party, in surroundings that cater to child interaction with proper supervision.

On the other hand, kids being at thug infested, liquor infused, gang populated, Monday night revelry, then parents need to rethink the chances of being shot.

I am quite confident that the chances of getting shot were easily recognizable BEFORE the party started at THIS particular area and party.

Of course..the shooters are at FAULT.
 

GameBoy27

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The reason the murder rate isn't higher this year comes down to luck and the fact that EMS is getting better at saving lives.
EMS deserve some of the credit but I think the average gun toting thug just isn't that good of a shot.

Again didn't say there wasn't a problem. Never said that. And yes we are going to set a record. Onl part I object to is when people say blacks instead of gang members it's like saying car when you mean SUV.
That's what I meant by "luck".
 

Phil C. McNasty

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There were 3 shooters in total, one is in custody and the other 2 are still at large.

Expect retaliation shootings soon
 

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EMS deserve some of the credit but I think the average gun toting thug just isn't that good of a shot.

Again didn't say there wasn't a problem. Never said that. And yes we are going to set a record. Onl part I object to is when people say blacks instead of gang members it's like saying car when you mean SUV.
Good points frank, the shooters generally just blast away as they are not trained in the use of weapons, so EMS gets off easy. That said, any gun shot wound is bad enough.

These are gang members, who just happen to be black, so let's not paint them all with the same brush.
 

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A leading Bishop in the black community was just on CTV lunch news and he acknowledged there is a problem in the black community with a small group of young kids. He attributes most of this problem to the fact these kids have no father that can give them guidance, leadership and support throughout their childhood and teen years and the kids have no respect for themselves so how can they possibly respect others.
 

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A leading Bishop in the black community was just on CTV lunch news and he acknowledged there is a problem in the black community with a small group of young kids.
Any moment now, the usual suspects will call Bishop Lennox Walker a racist and/or an Uncle Tom. He didn't minch words in his interview. He said the problem is in the "B" community and the solution lies in the "B" community (although help from outside the community is also appreciated).
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Didn't a drunk driver who was twice over the limit go free because a policeman stopped him on a hunch? Police are not allowed to use their experience or intuition to investigate possible criminal activity anymore
If we have RIDE spotchecks for drunks, we can have RIDE spotchecks for gangbangers with guns
 

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If we have RIDE spotchecks for drunks, we can have RIDE spotchecks for gangbangers with guns
I have no idea what the solution to this 'crime wave' is, but it is most assuredly not that

While it is understandable to believe otherwise, especially if you live in the area, I still think the recent rash of shootings is an aberration, and not a symptom of Toronto becoming significantly less safe. Not saying there isn't a problem that smarter people than us need to solve, but I still don't think the 'sky is falling'.
I will also wager a guess that this year's Caribana will be no more violent than usual
 

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Guys..get back On topic. You CANNOT DO SPOT CHECKS for guns. SHEESH.

BOOZE, SMELL, SLURRING, IS EASY TO detect unobtrusively and is allowed.

What? We are gonna sniff out guns? STUPID TO THINK THAT.
 

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He attributes most of this problem to the fact these kids have no father that can give them guidance, leadership and support throughout their childhood and teen years and the kids have no respect for themselves so how can they possibly respect others.

This is actually an excuse and nothing more. Like some black people I grew up without a father; raised in the ghetto(hood); I have no criminal record; never been charged; post 2ndary education (electric engineering), and frequent community helper for kids who grew up in the lifestyle I did. We all know what's the issue and roots to these problems, but I kinda feel that we aren't addressing it or willing to admit it to the outside world( god knows I wont). Granted I wont share them here, but...this is a problem we (blacks) as a community will just have to deal with ourselves.

Sad because when someone black commits a crime, we are all charged for it.
 

frankcastle

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This is actually an excuse and nothing more. Like some black people I grew up without a father; raised in the ghetto(hood); I have no criminal record; never been charged; post 2ndary education (electric engineering), and frequent community helper for kids who grew up in the lifestyle I did. We all know what's the issue and roots to these problems, but I kinda feel that we aren't addressing it or willing to admit it to the outside world( god knows I wont). Granted I wont share them here, but...this is a problem we (blacks) as a community will just have to deal with ourselves.
I see a difference between an excuse and explanation two very different thinos
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Guys..get back On topic. You CANNOT DO SPOT CHECKS for guns. SHEESH.

BOOZE, SMELL, SLURRING, IS EASY TO detect unobtrusively and is allowed.

What? We are gonna sniff out guns? STUPID TO THINK THAT
And a quick car/body search??

Then people will complain about racial profiling
So, let them complain. They're complaining about now already anyways
 

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its obvious that young black males who fit the thug profile are at high risk for violence and commit basically all of these violent crimes. having police targeting them with random searches etc WOULD make a huge difference. however, even though it would work its dangerous to give the govt this kind of power....it sets a dangerous precedent for police and govt powers. it wouldnt be racial profiling bc black men who look like bryant gumble wouldnt be targeted
 

Phil C. McNasty

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its obvious that young black males who fit the thug profile are at high risk for violence and commit basically all of these violent crimes. having police targeting them with random searches etc WOULD make a huge difference. however, even though it would work its dangerous to give the govt this kind of power....it sets a dangerous precedent for police and govt powers
Not to mention I'm fairly sure its against the Constitution of Canada to randomly search people.

Not sure though, maybe Perry Mason can weigh in
 
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