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Grooming children with clothing - Your thoughts?

What grooms kids more?

  • Pride Supportive clothing

  • Regular clothing (ie - girls short shorts)

  • Neither

  • Both

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Not getting younger

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Personally.
Think it’s more than a worthwhile discussion. It’s an important one. You don’t know life or stress until you’ve spent a night in Emerg, wondering if your 16 yr old daughter is going to see the sunrise. And what it took to get her back on her feet.

LGQBT.
Science tells us, that by the time children are in their teens. Their formative years are nearing their end. Or perhaps more correctly, on the downhill slope.

Females get there faster then boys but both will be “there” in their early, mid 20s.

As far as toddlers go.
yep, it influences them. It starts early. But the years that matter most are in their teens. When they are becoming their own persons, with their own, minds and will.

Lack of choices at Walmart.
Demand/supply and marketing.
 
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Not getting younger

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Cavemen did.
most still…… choose…..to

You always have the freedom to choose. Whether that’s to sexualize women. Or live on the streets<<<<<They actually, usually, have less choice.
 
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dirtyharry555

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What? This never happens.

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This has always been strange and condemned by the majority.

The drag thing is something we're all supposed to support.

We're also supposed to be okay with grown men showing off their cock and balls to children at Pride parades.

Otherwise you're a bigot.
 

Not getting younger

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We are all born as cavemen.

We learn to control our behaviors via socialization.
Lol. Look around DirtyHarry. Just at the ads and what not on this forum. Let alone the “real world”…

“you” haven’t learned.
To even remotely suggest we don’t sexualize women….too funny.

That said, there is a fine line between enjoying the company of women platonically or other….and sexualizing them.

And nice deflection by the way.
Bottom line. It’s your choice.
 

dirtyharry555

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Lol. Look around DirtyHarry. Just at the ads and what not on this forum. Let alone the “real world”…

“you” haven’t learned.
To even remotely suggest we don’t sexualize women….too funny.

That said, there is a fine line between enjoying the company of women platonically or other….and sexualizing them.

And nice deflection by the way.
Bottom line. It’s your choice.
It's my dick's choice and I have no control over who my dick decides to react 'positively' to.

I have a choice on how I react to my dick's reaction though.

By the way, there is nothing wrong with sexualizing people. It's completely natural and normal. We're sexual beings.
 
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Obviously doesn’t like the truth.
my Dick gets hard too. Doesn’t mean I sexualize women. If anything, using a very broad brush stroke. I look at them the same way I do any other person. And treat them that way too.

you, you have the choice how you view them, treat them. No differently than addicts always have a choice.
 

dirtyharry555

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Obviously doesn’t like the truth.
my Dick gets hard too. Doesn’t mean I sexualize women.
Your body is having a sexual reaction to them so clearly you are.

If anything, using a very broad brush stroke. I look at them the same way I do any other person. And treat them that way too.

you, you have the choice how you view them, treat them. No differently than addicts always have a choice.
You don't have to treat someone as a sex object even if you sexualize them.

You've been conditioned to believe that there is something wrong with sexualizing the opposite sex. There is not. It's natural. Embrace it.

Having said that, as much as you may think that you treat someone that you're sexually attracted to as "any other person", you most likely don't.

You're going to be just that much more helpful to her than the other persons.
 
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We're not setting women for disaster....the disaster has arrived....in the form of men dressing up as women and has taken a lot from women....in a short period of time....
and talking about sexualizing kids at a young age... who's doing it?
Seriously, dude!

Just take it to the politics board. TG issues deal with less than 1% of the population. This is a totally different topic. Why don't you just stay in your lane.
 

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dirtyharry555

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You will not get a lot of men on this board believing in rape culture. Most will hands down deny its existence
Depends on how you define "rape culture". Not all definitions are universally accepted.

From wiki:

Some writers, academics and groups have disputed the existence or prevalence of rape culture or described the concept as harmful. Others believe that rape culture exists, but disagree with certain interpretations or analyses of it.

The Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network (RAINN), an anti-sexual violence organization, in a report detailing recommendations to the White House on combating rape on college campuses, identified problems with an overemphasis on the concept of rape culture as a means of preventing rape and as a cause for rape, saying, "In the last few years, there has been an unfortunate trend towards blaming 'rape culture' for the extensive problem of sexual violence on campuses. While it is helpful to point out the systemic barriers to addressing the problem, it is important to not lose sight of a simple fact: Rape is caused not by cultural factors but by the conscious decisions, of a small percentage of the community, to commit a violent crime."[129] In the report, RAINN cites a study by David Lisak, which estimated that 3% of college men were responsible for 90% of campus rapes,[130] though it is stipulated that RAINN does not have reliable numbers for female perpetrators. RAINN argues that rape is the product of individuals who have decided to disregard the overwhelming cultural message that rape is wrong. The report argues that the trend towards focusing on cultural factors that supposedly condone rape "has the paradoxical effect of making it harder to stop sexual violence, since it removes the focus from the individual at fault, and seemingly mitigates personal responsibility for his or her own actions".[131]

Professor Camille Paglia[132] has described concerns about rape culture as "ridiculous" and "neurotic", an artifact of bourgeois liberal ideologies that people are essentially good and that all social problems can be remedied with education. This rape culture concept is much to the detriment of young college-educated women she says. Paglia argues that said individuals are ill-prepared to anticipate or cope with the small minority of deeply evil people in the world, who simply don't care about following laws or obeying social convention. Moreover, Paglia says, feminist proponents of rape culture tend to completely ignore male victims of sexual assault.

Caroline Kitchens, in a 2014 article in Time Magazine titled "It's Time to End 'Rape Culture' Hysteria" suggested that "Though rape is certainly a serious problem, there's no evidence that it's considered a cultural norm. ...On college campuses, obsession with eliminating 'rape culture' has led to censorship and hysteria."[133] According to Joyce E. Williams, "the major criticism of rape culture and the feminist theory from which it emanates is the monolithic implication that ultimately all women are victimized by all men".[134]

Christina Hoff Sommers has disputed the existence of rape culture, arguing that the common "one in four women will be raped in her lifetime" claim is based on a flawed study, but frequently cited because it leads to campus anti-rape groups receiving public funding. Sommers has also examined and criticized many other rape studies[which?] for their methodology, and states, "There are many researchers who study rape victimization, but their relatively low figures generate no headlines."[5]

Sommers and others[135] have specifically questioned Mary Koss's oft-cited 1984 study that claimed 1 in 4 college women have been victims of rape, charging it overstated rape of women and downplayed the incidence of men being the victims of unwanted sex. According to Sommers, as many as 73% of the subjects of Koss's study disagreed with her characterization that they had been raped,[136] while others have pointed out that Koss's study focused on the victimization of women, downplaying the significance of sexual victimization of men,[135] even though its own data indicated one in seven college men had been victims of unwanted sex.[137] Sommers points out that Koss had deliberately narrowed the definition of unwanted sexual encounters for men to instances where men were penetrated.[138]

Other writers, such as bell hooks, have criticized the rape culture paradigm on the grounds that it is too narrowly focused; in 1984, she wrote that it ignores rape's place in an overarching "culture of violence".[139] In 1993 she contributed a chapter to a book on rape culture, focusing on rape culture in the context of patriarchy in black culture.[140]

Barbara Kay, a Canadian journalist, has been critical of feminist Mary Koss's discussion of rape culture, describing the notion that "rape represents an extreme behavior but one that is on a continuum with normal male behavior within the culture" as "remarkably misandric".[141]

Jadaliyya, an academic initiative by the Arab Studies Institute, published a report critiquing of the concept of the concept of rape culture, stating that orientalists have appropriated the term to promote racist stereotypes of South Asian men (as well as Arabs and Muslims) as being prone to rape in Western media and academia. The report came in response to the 2012 Delhi gang rape, in which many Western media outlets reporting on the incident depicted Indian men as "culturally lacking and barbaric". The report claimed Western orientalists have reduced "India's rape crisis to a cultural problem".[142]

The UN conducted its 'Multi-country Study on Men and Violence in Asia and the Pacific' in 2008 in six countries across Asia. Its conclusions, published in 2013, seemed to indicate a substantial number of men in Asian countries admit to committing some form of rape.[143] The study's general conclusion about high levels of rape have been recognized as reliable; however, questions about its accuracy perpetuate the debate about how societies perceive rape and social norms. A closer look at the study's methodology reveals questions about cultural definitions of rape, the study's sample size, survey design, and linguistic accuracy, all of which highlights ongoing challenges in trying to quantify the prevalence of rape.[144]
I don't think that rape is normalized in contemporary Western society. It's deemed aberrant extreme and criminal behaviour.
 

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This has always been strange and condemned by the majority.

The drag thing is something we're all supposed to support.

We're also supposed to be okay with grown men showing off their cock and balls to children at Pride parades.

Otherwise you're a bigot.
This is true to a certain extent. I think a lot of the pushback against the Drag Shows - which used to be by gay men for gay men - is that we're told is good and healthy - or else. Whereas the child pageants we know are creepy AF and are allowed to criticize it.

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Not getting younger

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Was a time we were told ( by soceity) masturbating was abnormal. Same goes for kink……….If into bondage, or bdsm hush hush, that’s taboo… keep that shit well hidden…..And we don’t have to go back very far at all…….50 shades.

World of difference between creepy AF child beauty pageants. And what consenting adults do. Not sure why so many have hang ups about it.

Just a few hundred years ago, gay was normal, accepted. Romans were very open about it.

That said, the “hypocrisy” relating to public displays of what most adults would consider crossing the line……..
 
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