Global Warming is a Lie

alienencounters said:
the other issue is that glaciers melting in the mountains are not in the water.
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Yes but thats only a small fraction of the polar ice caps, the vast majority of the polar regions are sititng on top of water just like the icecubes in the glass
 
The only Canadians who deny global warming are fucking redneck Albertans, I wonder why? The Harper Conservatives are not really going green and are not so serious about global warming and the Kyoto Accord, Alberta is their grassroots, birth of the Reform Party. The day when there is a horrendous hew and cry from Alberta regarding constraints on the oil sector perpetrated by Ottawa is the day, that you will know that Harper is serious about the environment. Not likely to ever happen is it?
 
Such erudition indeed.......

lomotil said:
The only Canadians who deny global warming are fucking redneck Albertans, I wonder why? The Harper Conservatives are not really going green and are not so serious about global warming and the Kyoto Accord, Alberta is their grassroots, birth of the Reform Party. The day when there is a horrendous hew and cry from Alberta regarding constraints on the oil sector perpetrated by Ottawa is the day, that you will know that Harper is serious about the environment. Not likely to ever happen is it?
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The issue is not so much whether the world is warming up, it is whether climate change is anthrogenic in origin. No one would argue that cleaner air and water would be wonderful, but shutting down Canada's economy and freezing in the dark while places like China are exempt from these Kyoto Accords is not a viable option. If canadians are serious about reducing emissions, they should set an example by driving smaller, more fuel-efficient cars instead of SUVs.
 
Global Warming

To translate = global warming is not in question, the question is are humans the cause of global warming and by extension is there anything we can do about it.

Its actually a little more complicated.

There are two competing factors, the milder minimum and related issues and carbon in the air. Ice ages happen every 10,000 years. Our last ice age happened 10,000 years ago plus or minus 100. We know its not minus since no ice age . . . so the ice age is going to happen and was happening by the normal cycle

Then came the industrial revolution warming the earth

The queston really is which is winning. Ideally, we don't want either to win; it cost a fortune if we lose thousands of square miles of land to either ice or water so we want it to be about where it is. Currently it appears the warming is winning. Anyway the evidence is currently on too much warmth. And yes, even if it not us causing the problem we can do stuff about it.
 
lomotil said:
The only Canadians who deny global warming are fucking redneck Albertans, I wonder why? The Harper Conservatives are not really going green and are not so serious about global warming and the Kyoto Accord, Alberta is their grassroots, birth of the Reform Party. The day when there is a horrendous hew and cry from Alberta regarding constraints on the oil sector perpetrated by Ottawa is the day, that you will know that Harper is serious about the environment. Not likely to ever happen is it?
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Stephane, is that you?
 
I'm not questioning whether global warming is real or not, in my opinion the winters have been getting warmer in Tdot the last 20 years.

What I do question is whether or not flooding will happen as a result.
I did a little digging on the web and the only real threats are Antarctica and Greenland. Most of the artic sits on water and that wont increase sea levels.
Greenland and Antartica do sit on land but as far as I can tell the only glacier threat is the ice that sits on the outskirts of the Greenland and Antarctica landmass. Any ice that melts inland of both these places will simply evaporate into the atmosphere and poses no real threat to slide into the oceans.

So it looks to me like flooding resulting from global warming is full of hot air (pun intended).
 
Esco! said:
I'm not questioning whether global warming is real or not, in my opinion the winters have been getting warmer in Tdot the last 20 years.

What I do question is whether or not flooding will happen as a result.
I did a little digging on the web and the only real threats are Antarctica and Greenland. Most of the artic sits on water and that wont increase sea levels.
Greenland and Antartica do sit on land but as far as I can tell the only glacier threat is the ice that sits on the outskirts of the Greenland and Antarctica landmass. Any ice that melts inland of both these places will simply evaporate into the atmosphere and poses no real threat to slide into the oceans.

So it looks to me like flooding resulting from global warming is full of hot air (pun intended).
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Ever wonder why the call it Greenland????

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland

"The fjords of the southern part of the island were lush and had a warmer climate at that time, possibly due to what was called the Medieval Warm Period. "
 
Natural (I doubt it) or not either which way we better pull our heads out of the sand and take the issue of global warming seriously. In a battle between mother nature and humanity guess who wins?
 
Eli said:
Natural (I doubt it) or not either which way we better pull our heads out of the sand and take the issue of global warming seriously. In a battle between mother nature and humanity guess who wins?
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Question: What happens to a glass of ice and water at room temperature????

(fill a glass with ice and then with water to the brim. Let stand untill it reaches room temp. Is the water still up to the brim????)
 
Terbevore said:
The issue is not so much whether the world is warming up, it is whether climate change is anthrogenic in origin. No one would argue that cleaner air and water would be wonderful, but shutting down Canada's economy and freezing in the dark while places like China are exempt from these Kyoto Accords is not a viable option. If canadians are serious about reducing emissions, they should set an example by driving smaller, more fuel-efficient cars instead of SUVs.
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There isn't much question about whether it's human origin anymore. And whether or not we have sensible international agreements with China has nothing to do with whether or not global warming exists or has a human cause. We may well have horrible treaties, but that doesn't exempt us from having a problem.
 
alienencounters said:
What is the original temperature of the glass of water, and the length of the glass?
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Your call
You can start with a glass it 32f but all i ask is the room be a a higher temp. After all tis is a deminstration of water volume and global warming.
 
Global Warming

from wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

Global warming is the observed increase in the average temperature of the Earth's atmosphere and oceans in recent decades and its projected continuation. Models referenced by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) predict that global temperatures are likely to increase by 1.1° to 6.4 °C (2.0° to 11.5 °F) between 1990 and 2100.[1] The uncertainty in this range results from two factors: differing future greenhouse gas emission scenarios, and uncertainties regarding climate sensitivity
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An increase in global temperatures can in turn cause other changes, including a rising sea level and changes in the amount and pattern of precipitation. These changes may increase the frequency and intensity of extreme weather events, such as floods, droughts, heat waves, hurricanes, and tornados. Other consequences include higher or lower agricultural yields, glacier retreat, reduced summer streamflows, species extinctions and increases in the ranges of disease vectors. Warming is expected to affect the number and magnitude of these events; however, it is difficult to connect particular events to global warming. Although most studies focus on the period up to 2100, even if no further greenhouse gases were released after this date, warming (and sea level) would be expected to continue to rise for more than a millennium, since CO2 has a long average atmospheric lifetime.
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papasmerf said:
The fjords of the southern part of the island were lush and had a warmer climate at that time, possibly due to what was called the Medieval Warm Period.
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fjords

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fjords

A fjord (or fiord) is a submergent landform which has occured due to a relative rise in sea level. This is a consequence of isostacy or eustacy.

A fjord is an inlet of the sea between cliffs or steep slopes, which results from marine inundation of a glaciated valley. Typical characteristics of a fjord include: a narrow inlet, a bottom that is glacially eroded significantly below sea level (allowing deep-draft vessels to navigate easily), steep-sided walls which continue to descend below the sea surface, greater depths in the upper and middle reaches than on the seaward side, and communication with the open sea.
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escortsxxx said:
To translate = global warming is not in question, the question is are humans the cause of global warming and by extension is there anything we can do about it.
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Exactly. The Earth's temperature waxes and wanes as part of its natural cycle. The question is how much of the current waxing is due to humans and how much is just part of the normal process? And do we even have the ability to affect the global climate in a significant way by changing our behaviour? If we undergo massive efforts and all we achieve is a 1% change in the temperature, was that worth all the effort (and cost)?

Don't get me wrong, I think we probably do have a significant impact on the environment but I think we could also just be in a warmer "phase" of the Earth's evolution too, which just magnifies the problem.
 
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