GFE/PSE - Still viable?

[joedrake]

There has been an ongoing discussion by a number of SPs on Twitter about the terms GFE and PSE and whether they are still viable given the many different views as too what services they encompass.
One camp sees the terms as useless because they still end up having to explain what services they provide and as such, are ready to cut the terms loose and not use them in their ads. The other camp still see some benefit with the terms. Both camps, however, are aware that the use of those terms does cause confusion as to what services are provided.

What are your thoughts?
Do you put a lot of stock in expected services when an SP/MA uses GFE and/or PSE to describe their services?
Do they provide a benefit or create confusion and/or miscommunication between you and the SW?

MAs/SPs - what are you thoughts on use of these terms as a viable way to describe your services?

 

[Deviance]

The term IS seen as many things by many. A hot encounter framed perhaps by SF2, drinks social banter, 420, snacks spells GFE in my books. PSE, shower and hello Miss. Specific services methinks are best discussed prior. GFE/PSE are becoming very fluid as they encompass certain services for some, not others. Loose, ill defined, no longer viable terms. EDIT: It would seem that DFK defines GFE for many folks.

 

[CanuckSoldier]

I have no dog in the fight for defining PSE...not my thing. I do enjoy GFE, but I use that term in my intro to the SP, if she replies that she does GFE, my second text goes into detail of what I want in a GFE date...like dfk, bbbj, daty etc....that is were we easily sort out what is will or won't provide and if we move forward....its not to hard, but I learned early on that just saying GFE is not enough...

 

[Taraparker]

Since everyone interprets GFE differently there’s no definition so therefore it’s a pretty useless term.

When people ask me if I offer GFE, I ask them what it means to them and we go from there.

edit: I’ve noticed that generally, from reading on here that clients seem to lean more towards GFE meaning physical services (DFK, bbbj, DATY etc) , and providers from reading off twitter lean more towards intangible *experiences* (chemistry, conversation, cuddling, dinner etc).

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1579974572111441920

Personally, I think the term should just go in the garbage. Lines get blurred, people get confused or even disappointed… if there isn’t a common agreement and definition, which we know there never will be…. So can we agree to drop it?

 

[Master Cuddles]

I have been implying in my text messages to SPs that I'm into sensual, playful, naughty sex instead of fast paced porn sex, and the majority of SPs have complied with my desires. Some even appreciated my forthrightness. As long as bbbj and daty are part of our session, I'm good.

 

[TigerFlex5]

Since everyone interprets GFE differently there’s no definition so therefore it’s a pretty useless term.

When people ask me if I offer GFE, I ask them what it means to them and we go from there.

edit: I’ve noticed that generally, from reading on here that clients seem to lean more towards GFE meaning physical services (DFK, bbbj, DATY etc) , and providers from reading off twitter lean more towards intangible *experiences* (chemistry, conversation, cuddling, dinner etc).


Personally, I think the term should just go in the garbage. Lines get blurred, people get confused or even disappointed… if there isn’t a common agreement and definition, which we know there never will be…. So can we agree to drop it?

It's very simple:
Men are more into the physical of the act... women are more into the emotion of the act.

It's like that in normal life. It's no different in the industry.

 

[Shook1]

Personally

DFK BBBJ GREEK CIM = PSE

 

[slobbyist]

Sell your customers what they need, not what you want.

 

[CanuckSoldier]

Sell your customers what they need, not what you want.

Yes no matter what you want to label it...you provide what customers want or lose that customer....

 

[Master Cuddles]

Yes no matter what you want to label it...you provide what customers want or lose that customer....

Yup that's perfectly said. Happened to me on a couple of occasions where I asked politely and respectfully to do my fetish (facesitting daty) and she respectfully declined. Finished the session as usual and did not repeat. She and I both made a choice and left it like that.

 

[joedrake]

These last few posts highlight the need for communication regarding services wanted and services provided. Some clients will engage with a provider, others will not, if certain services are not provided. The question is how to determine if desired services are available. The terms GFE and PSE give some general view of what is provided but do not automatically guarantee that specific services will be available. They can be helpful in setting the stage for a discussion. However, they should never be used as a replacement for that discussion. Communication between client and provider is key.

 

[CanuckSoldier]

That is bullshit. When providers explain their boundaries some clients will adjust their expectations accordingly and often are very pleased with the appointment.

You may change what you want, most of us will not...we shop for what we desire and if a provider doesn't have that on her menu, fine no issues, but we simply will not see them. And sadly in many cases SP will say they do X, Y and Z and when you get there they back out.....and like a few have said, and that will be the last time we see them. We are customers we are allowed to shop for what we want, just like SP's are allowed to limit their menu. But just like I won't go to a restaurant, that doesn't have the food I want, I won't see an SP that doesn't offer what I'm looking for. If you want to do that, that's your call, most of us have very specific fetishes that we won't bend on because its what gets us our enjoyment....

 

[Prettyyy.Princess]

A SERVICE PROVIDER thoughts! (Writing all of this in a polite way, please hear me through)

I agree. THE PSE & GFE terms should just hop in the trash bag or specified by the provider of what that means to them. (Unfortunately Not every provider is open to specify for safety)

Note: what you as a client may think PSE or GFE means may not be what the provider thinks of PSE.


EXAMPLES PSE AND GFE confusion?

One may think services such as - DFK or BLS are Gfe when in reality it’s more of a PSE experience, which MEANS a p0rn star experience. Things you see mainly from p0rn. Hence why sometimes PSE providers may be so “pricey”. P0rn stars get paid a tun to do crazy things so some providers will provide the same services with a similar price tag. Which is understandable! As long as the provider does a good job and BOUNDARIES are respected by both parties then there should be no issues.
On the other hand some may think cob or spanking is pse when in reality its GFE which MEANS girl friend experiences. Those services tend to be more on the lighter side of sexual play as well as being a bit more affordable.

Different providers now days have different meanings to what PSE and GFE means to them and what there clientele wants from them.

Communication is the main key with each and any provider you contact. So if the provider is unable to clarify. You as the client can clarify what you’re looking for. If you’re not satisfied with the communication from the provider there will always be another provider that will do it better.
Happy fishing

 

[themooser]

There is a massive difference between the two. Both terms need to stay. Clients want certain activities that belong in the PSE and/or GFE category as people have mentioned before. Create a list of your services or look up the generic items for GFE and PSE. There are 'some' out there that do not know the difference or use 'PSE' as clickbait.

 

[joedrake]

One may think services such as - DFK or BLS are Gfe when in reality it’s more of a PSE experience, which MEANS a p0rn star experience.

On the other hand some may think cob or spanking is use when in reality its GFE which MEANS girl friend experiences. Those services tend to be more on the lighter side of sexual play as well as being a bit more affordable.

Yes, communication is key. This is an example of the use of the GFE and PSE terms with respect to specific services can be viewed differently. I was under the impression that DFK would be more GFE and not PSE, and spanking would be more PSE than GFE. If I was interested in either, however, I would have a discussion with the provider about those services when setting up a session, regardless of whether it is viewed as GFE or PSE.

 

[Prettyyy.Princess]

You may change what you want, most of us will not...we shop for what we desire and if a provider doesn't have that on her menu, fine no issues, but we simply will not see them. And sadly in many cases SP will say they do X, Y and Z and when you get there they back out.....and like a few have said, and that will be the last time we see them. We are customers we are allowed to shop for what we want, just like SP's are allowed to limit their menu. But just like I won't go to a restaurant, that doesn't have the food I want, I won't see an SP that doesn't offer what I'm looking for. If you want to do that, that's your call, most of us have very specific fetishes that we won't bend on because its what gets us our enjoyment....

Just want to shine my 2 sense & a different perspective!
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You said:
“And sadly in many cases SP will say they do X, Y and Z and when you get there they back out”
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It’s understandable why you wouldn’t wanna see the person again if they denied you a service and I am absolutely not taking that point away from you love!
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hwoever another perspective would be a lot of the times providers may deny a specific service due to lack of hygiene, lack of respect or over all didn’t feel the vibe was there. I find all three to be important in having a great session which many providers can agree on. So definitely talk to the provider and ask why the change of heart. every provider is different so once again communication is key. Hope you find a good fish in the sea soon!

 

[Prettyyy.Princess]

Yes, communication is key. This is an example of the use of the GFE and PSE terms with respect to specific services can be viewed differently. I was under the impression that DFK would be more GFE and not PSE, and spanking would be more PSE than GFE. If I was interested in either, however, I would have a discussion with the provider about those services when setting up a session, regardless of whether it is viewed as GFE or PSE.

PERFECT yes. Honestly at the end of the day. If we do or do not get rid of the PSE OR GFE lingo… You just have to talk to the provider and see what he/she provides that’s it!

 

[dynomyte]

Another problem is tgat some providers get offended when clients ask "do you offer X,Y, or Z?". They feel like tgey are being treated like a menu and would rather the experience hapoen organically. But when it goes south, sone get pissed that the clients didnt ask in advacr and thus ruined the experience. Just follow Twitter and you will see what iam saying.

 

[joedrake]

Another problem is tgat some providers get offended when clients ask "do you offer X,Y, or Z?". They feel like tgey are being treated like a menu and would rather the experience hapoen organically. But when it goes south, sone get pissed that the clients didnt ask in advacr and thus ruined the experience. Just follow Twitter and you will see what iam saying.

You are correct. Communication goes both ways. Clients should ask questions about what services are wanted. Providers should be open as to what they will or won't provide, and under what conditions, i.e. depending on hygiene, etc.

Some clients don't always make it easy as they make assumptions as to what services are or are not included with GFE or PSE.

Some providers also don't make it easy as they use the terms GFE and PSE without explanation and then become frustrated by having to discuss specific services. One example was a provider who listed on her website that she provided "light PSE" services without an explanation.Apparently, potential clients were asking about greek related services due to her inclusion of "light PSE" on her website. She became frustrated and went on the Twitter rant that PSE did not equal Greek. She did not offer those services and thought "light PSE" conveyed that position. However, to some, PSE can include greek.

Bottom line, be mindful of terms and attempt to communicate as best as you can.

 

[slobbyist]

the never ending debate. Some if not most clients are looking for certain services, some providers are looking to sell for the experience but they can't specifically tell the clients what they are