Getting what you want.

TQM

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We all have different tastes, different standards too.

Finding exactly what you want, given your means of getting it, can be a very difficult thing.

For me, SP's and MPA's all come with their pluses and minuses. On the plus side, it requires very little work in arranging a get together. On the downside, I don't get exactly the service I want from an MPA, and I have to wear a condom with any SP, and I don't like wearing condoms.

Finding what I want, then, requires work. Every other fulfillment avenue requires work.

For me, I want an ongoing almost exclusively sexual relationship with a particularly exquisite, slim, tallish, young woman (half my age). I'd prefer her to be reasonably bright. I'd prefer her to be talented. I need her to be available when I'm available. I need her to get tested periodically. I need to know something about her and her lifestyle. That's a tough bill to fill. And more to the point, there were lots of things I didn't want. In particular, I didn't want a girl who was looking at me as a future husband.

There's the advertising route - it really is amazing how many women there are out there who don't fit the description who'd be interested in the job. This can be expensive, a lot of work, and can produce absolutely no results.

Then, there's the varous "dating" sites option.

I spent some 18 months on Ashley Madison. I was on the website, several times a day, 20 or so days a month for this period. Often, for only a few minutes at a time. Sometimes for longer.

It can get very expensive. Of the number of elligible women within 50 miles, less than 5% fit my bill. Of those 5%, the vast majority, never responded to messages. Of the few who did respond to messages, only 16 times did it result in a correspondance of more than 4 messages.

Of those 16 young women, I believe 6 or so weren't real - they were either jokers or Ashley Madison employees, or whatever. Of the 10 remaining young women, 6 were SP's, trying an alternate route.

Of the 4 remaining candidates, 3 developed into sexual relationships (not at the same time). Each initially fit my bill.

I found the first had some quirks. After a number of months we mutually decided it wasn't perfect. The second turned out to have lied about her age, and was only 19. Smoking hot body, but eventually the immature personality wore me down. The third worked well for over a year, with the exception that she had no vehicle and her location wasn't terribly convenient. It was successful while it lasted.

My point is that it was a long time to wait, and a lot of work to get what I wanted. Is that worth it to you? Or are you willing to accept less and not have to put in the work?

I didn't renew my Ashley Madison subscription.

I tried another website - sugardaddie.com.

I was hoping the title would help focus the pool of elligible women to a group more in tune with what I'm looking for.

I mean, Ashley Madison was really focused on cheating and affairs, not on the more business side of things. I wanted a sugar based relationship.

Well, to my surprise, aside from the usual fakes, SP's, and MPA's who'd periodically show up, there are a good number of women who'd be willing to find a potential husband through a site called sugardaddie.com.

That amazes me.

Communcation is easier on the site, but again, the pickings, for me, are slim. Once you weed out the fakes, SP's, and MPA's (and let me make this clear - I've nothing against them - just not what I'm looking for), and girls looking for traditional boyfriends, there are few girls left. And then you have to weed out the one's that (ahem) don't fit the bill.

At about this point, I discovered something interesting. Not only are the pickings slim, but my competitors are almost all lying. I start hearing back from various girls, disbelieving what I say, because every other guy on the site is lying.

He's older than he said he was. He's not wealthy at all. He's married, but said he wasn't.

Combine this with comments like:He's pathetic. He hasn't washed in days. He wouldn't even treat me!

So I began to realize that my scrupulously honest approach was likely, in some cases, making it hard for me in the initial stages.

Please realize this is a lot of effort to be putting into this endeavour.

Still - I decided the only approach was the honest approach. So I added this fact. At the end of every introductory message I sent out, I added, "I'm hoping at the very least, my honesty has some value to you."

Immediately, my success rate went up. I'm not saying it became easy. There were still very few girls of interest. But without a doubt, my batting average increased.

It really is important to be able to make adjustments. That was one of the adjustments I made.

Several successes developed - including one who explicitly had told me she was looking for a boyfriend and not a sugar relationship. It turned out she'd met two previous guys, all of whom weren't anything like what they said they were like.

The "I'm an honest guy" thing just happened to hit her at the right time. Lucky me. The relationship never developed into what I wanted, mind, you, but it was a nice little interlude.

I found girls placed hints in their profiles, that it was up to you to notice. One quoted Martin Luther King (god knows why, but she was gorgeous). She received messages from over 100 guys but only one - me - commented on the quote (I googled it). Another named herself after a French cheese (again, God knows why). Google became my friend.

But I'm not trying to brag - I'm trying to illustrate how much work it's been; how long a wait it requires. Success can take months.

I'm not here advocating it's worth the wait. But it's the path I've taken to get what I want. (and I'm in a sharing mood.)
 
I agree with you TQM.
Ultimate success takes a little longer, but you have to stay true to your nature.
 
self-fulfilling prophecy

I wrote that today. A chick I've been working on for ages as a possible, finally agrees to see me this evening. I cleared my schedule. An hour before we were to meet, she calls me up and says, she can't - how about tomorrow?

Figures.
 
TQM said:
I wrote that today. A chick I've been working on for ages as a possible, finally agrees to see me this evening. I cleared my schedule. An hour before we were to meet, she calls me up and says, she can't - how about tomorrow?

Figures.

Define "ages"
 
TQM said:
For me, I want an ongoing almost exclusively sexual relationship with a particularly exquisite, slim, tallish, young woman (half my age).
You're not allowed to have sex with 15 year olds.
 
TQM said:
I wrote that today. A chick I've been working on for ages as a possible, finally agrees to see me this evening. I cleared my schedule. An hour before we were to meet, she calls me up and says, she can't - how about tomorrow?

Figures.


Must have had cold feet.

Your first message was bang on with what I've tried to accomplish the last few years. I have had some success with Ashley as well, but I was a member more towards the beginning.

These days the "posers" just suck the life out of me. :rolleyes:
 
anwers:

1. I've had 4 long term relationships.

Relationship #2 taught me everything about sex.

There have been 30 or so starts that didn't work out for whatever reasons.

2. I've been working on the girl for some 12 months. Sometimes messaging her and getting no response. Sometimes messaging her and just saying something funny. Until I get a "I'm not at all interested," I keep at it.

So there's been periods where I've gone 10 weeks without messaging her. Last week I got her phone number. Cold feet possibly. Jerking me around, possibly. Honest conflict - possibly.
 
Quick update

Decisions, Decisions.

I met the girl tonight - very quick meeting - she set it up that way. She's perfect, except it isn't clear she was interested.

Earlier in the week I met another girl - 7.5/10 - it's pretty clear she's very interested.

It's just weird that I've had to meetings in one week.

At such an early stage, to close the door on one in the hopes the other will develop as I want. The one I most want might never go beyond today's meeting.

Really the correct decision is to try close no doors. That can be expensive.
 
Have you considered a mail order bride? Some of those Russian girls are tall, slim, and pretty smart. As far as testing, likely they'll do that at immigration, so you're good. As far as availability, well you're in the driver's seat there, as she probably wouldn't know anyone here. No condoms? No problemo. See my earlier points. Of course you'll have to marry her, but just get her to sign a really good pre-nup in your favor and you're covered. Hope that helps.
 
Asterix said:
Have you considered a mail order bride? Some of those Russian girls are tall, slim, and pretty smart. As far as testing, likely they'll do that at immigration, so you're good. As far as availability, well you're in the driver's seat there, as she probably wouldn't know anyone here. No condoms? No problemo. See my earlier points. Of course you'll have to marry her, but just get her to sign a really good pre-nup in your favor and you're covered. Hope that helps.

soon followed by their tall, buff and pretty smart russian boyfriends
 
Terminator2000 said:
soon followed by their tall, buff and pretty smart russian boyfriends
Hey, I never said it would be a long time deal. Plus you could pat yourself on the back for bringing a nubile young immigrant into the North American lands of the free.
 
Esco! said:
What???????? :eek: cheers!!!
Only a sham marriage, son. Everybody understands and no one gets hurt...... maybe.
 
Asterix said:
Hey, I never said it would be a long time deal. Plus you could pat yourself on the back for bringing a nubile young immigrant into the North American lands of the free.

And slowly handing it over to the russians. The North American lands of the free. that is.

I heard they're taking it over, the slow way. By immigration and by acquiring land, living spaces and renting them out as landlords. Making more money off rent, then buying more living spaces, etc etc.

They also work by bending the rules, laws. Taking short cuts. Working together as a team. Each russian person usually has a THOUSAND russian connections in every department. Law, government, etc.

I had a russian friend once, his mom knew a russian lawyer she would call every time he got into an issue at work. Also, his mom had a russian connection with bankers, brokers, whenever he needed better credit, a loan....

it was scary. She had a russian connection for anything professional.

At one point, she even got him a russian connection to the mob, to dodge credit charges.

Also, if my friend referred me to any of their russian connections, I always had to tell them who referred me to them. I always had to mention her name...


scary.
 
mail order bride?

Are you insane?

Well, obviously, you're insane. Even if it were somehow legit, I want someone who's got a life of her own, with me nothing more than an interlude.
 
Wow you did put a lot of effort in

Have to admire you for effort and this comment "Still - I decided the only approach was the honest approach. So I added this fact. At the end of every introductory message I sent out, I added, "I'm hoping at the very least, my honesty has some value to you."

If more men took that approach with women they get much further, If it a one night stand an SP or a life time partner. Bravo I sincerely hope in end you find what your looking for.
 
Tiffany_69 said:
If more men took that approach with women they get much further, If it a one night stand an SP or a life time partner. Bravo I sincerely hope in end you find what your looking for.
Maybe, but many women are swept by leased Porsches, overleveraged lux condos, Armani suits they can't afford....
So, the nice guy may win in the end, but the problem is most women don't even look at the nice guy to begin with.
 
Meister,

You're mostly right - the thing is everyone wants to believe.

Women hook up with liars because they don't see them as liars. That can be downright delusional, perhaps, but guys are no different.

We all have our own pipe dreams.

Fortunately, some of these girls, once in a while, wake up. That presents, for me, an opportunity.
 
TQM said:
Are you insane?
No, but if you thought I was being serious, you might be. Lighten up, boyo.
 
That...

...is FAR more work than I am willing to expend.

Me, I've been online 4 months on a free website (Plenty of Fish), and have averaged I'd say 1 date with a new person per week (approximately).

Certainly not all fit the description you gave, but I am not as picky as you.

I will also admit about 50% didn't meet my standards either.

That said, 50% did. and of that number, I'd say I ended in bed with 50% of those...so a .250 batting average.

Currently I'm juggling 3 different women I am having regular "relations" with, plus my ex if you count her as a fourth.

Now, again, none of them fit the description you gave...but I suspect I wouldn't want to spend time with the woman you described. Look at her - yes. Fuck her - yes, if we could do that without her opening her mouth except to accept the insertion of my cock. Date? No fucking way.

Then again, I never needed to prove to anyone...including me...that I could bag the hottest girl in the school / club / bar / circle of friends / department / company. Even though on a very few rare occasions, I did.

To each their own, and gawd bless you if you can afford it, but I got a couple questions...

1) How much money did this all cost you?

2) What percentage of time during this journey were you left with NO ONE to have sex with...well...no one who you weren't paying to have sex with?

Because me, I am perfectly ok with having too many 6's and 7's to manage, versus spending all my time and effort trying to land a 9 or a 10. But that is just me.