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Ben19

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This is not a political issue and I'm not interested in a pissing match. I found this interesting for the selfish reason, namely I'm getting on in years and the survival rate for the older set is grim. Might as well look at it from all angles, trivial, experimental or not.
No that makes sense and I respect that. Hcq is something to keep an eye out on for sure but it’s too early. I also recommend you follow this trial drug it is showing some promise :

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200402144526.htm

At the end of the day just like any virus are best bet is for a vaccine. Just by their nature viruses are difficult to treat they essentially hijack your body to replicate themselves so identifying targets that kill them selectively at large numbers is challenging. Other challenge is lab studies have failed to translate to clinical findings. Routinely someone finds a drug that in the test tubes blocks hiv but they often fail when translated to clinical. Reason is because in studies they have to control everything else to be able to study the drug and see output. In real life there is no control. Our cells are governed by organize chaos.

Another avenue of treatment is taking the blood of someone who has immunity to the virus and isolating their antibodies and then injecting it to those infected. That actually works but it is sooo expensive and not feasible as a treatment at the mass scales so it does not get the same attraction as other avenues.
 

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The studies I linked to which again are the PRIMARY trials all the evidence is coming from discussed those other drugs. The other drug is an antibiotic that is given to prevent secondary opportunistic hospital acquired pneumonia in those with resp failure and does not ulter viral loads which were the primary outcomes of the studies. That was mentioned in the French trial in support of the drug.

The prelim results of the over 80 trials on this underway are trickiling and again nothing definitive so far. I hope it works but right now we just have to wait for the studies to finish.
Discussing a drug is not the same as using it in combination with hydroxychloroquine.

"America’s major medical society specializing in the treatment of respiratory diseases has endorsed using hydroxychloroquine for seriously ill hospitalized coronavirus patients."

"The American Thoracic Society issued guidelines Monday that suggest COVID-19 patients with pneumonia get doses of the anti-malaria drug."

"...President Trump has promoted its use on an experimental basis and Gov. Andrew Cuomo has agreed to provide it to thousands of seriously ill patients in New York hospitals in combination with Zithromax."

"...The Thoracic Society said its guidelines are based on input from an international task force comprised of doctors from medical centers that are currently treating COVID-19 patients.

"...“There are in vitro studies that suggest that hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine have activity against SARS-CoV-2019, the virus that causes COVID-19,” Wilson said.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/06/medical-group-backs-giving-hydroxychloroquine-to-coronavirus-patients/
 

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Discussing a drug is not the same as using it in combination with hydroxychloroquine.

"America’s major medical society specializing in the treatment of respiratory diseases has endorsed using hydroxychloroquine for seriously ill hospitalized coronavirus patients."

"The American Thoracic Society issued guidelines Monday that suggest COVID-19 patients with pneumonia get doses of the anti-malaria drug."

"...President Trump has promoted its use on an experimental basis and Gov. Andrew Cuomo has agreed to provide it to thousands of seriously ill patients in New York hospitals in combination with Zithromax."

"...The Thoracic Society said its guidelines are based on input from an international task force comprised of doctors from medical centers that are currently treating COVID-19 patients.

"...“There are in vitro studies that suggest that hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine have activity against SARS-CoV-2019, the virus that causes COVID-19,” Wilson said.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/06/medical-group-backs-giving-hydroxychloroquine-to-coronavirus-patients/
Again I referenced the study that the thoracic society used to justify the off label use of HCQ mainly on the basis as nothing else works for covid and might as well try it. Other societies notably the rheumatology associations who have expertise and are the knowledge experts of these classes have advocates against it. The conclusion again is there is no strong evidence that it has a major impact in the clinical trajectories of patients but there is enough evidence to do more studies and consider its use on a case by case basis. What I don’t understand is all of a sudden there are a million experts on hcq and viral cellular pathways who are gaslighting efforts by legitimate scientist trying to actually study this drug. That’s my problem. Vaccines have stronger evidence by orders of magnitude yet some of the same group of people that are advocating for this medication based on prelim in vitro studies are against those. That makes me question alterior political motives behind strong advocates of this drug. Now you may not be in that category and if so you and I both will be awaiting results of definitive clinical studies to hopefully show a clinical impact.
 

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EXCLUSIVE: South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem on Monday announced a statewide clinical trial of hydroxychloroquine for the possible treatment of COVID-19, making her state the first in the country to institute a program exploring the potential effectiveness of the drug in treating and preventing coronavirus.

“From Day One, I’ve said we’re going to let the science, facts and data drive our decision-making in South Dakota,” Noem said in a statement provided to Fox News.

Noem, a Republican, announced the “comprehensive” clinical trial Monday after communicating with White House officials in the last week to “let them know that South Dakota’s medical community was ready to step up and lead the way on research efforts."

“I made direct requests to President Trump and Vice President Pence to supply us with enough hydroxychloroquine so that it could be made available for every hospitalized person the state may have, as well as those for health care workers on the frontlines and those in the most vulnerable populations,” Noem said.

The governor said South Dakota has received doses of hydroxychloroquine to begin the trial.

“Today, I’m pleased to report we have received the initial doses we need, and thanks to the leadership of Sanford Health and the assistance of medical teams at Avera and Monument Health, we’re going to be the first state in the nation to do a comprehensive clinical trial to assess whether hydroxychloroquine can treat and perhaps even prevent COVID-19,” she said.

Sanford Health is the largest provider of rural health care in the country, according to Noem. With the help of Avera and Monument Health, they will treat “up to 100,000 people including outpatient and hospitalized patients with COVID-19, in addition to frontline health care workers, and high-risk individuals who have been exposed to the virus.”

“The health care community in South Dakota consistently works together with the state for the benefit of all our patients,” South Dakota Secretary of Health Kim Malsam-Rysdon said Monday. “I am excited patients across the state will have access to this drug, and we will learn more about its benefits in treating and even preventing COVID-19.”

The drug has been a source of political controversy as President Trump has repeatedly touted it as a possible treatment for COVID-19. Critics of the president have pushed back by emphasizing that scientists have not yet determined whether the drug works or is safe in treating coronavirus.

The effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine has been a source of debate within the medical community, with some warning it’s too soon to know if it’s an efficacious option in treating patients with the novel virus.

Dr. Anthony Fauci of the White House coronavirus task force has urged caution when it comes to the drug. “We still need to do the definitive studies to determine whether any intervention, not just this one, is truly safe and effective,” Fauci recently said on Fox News.

South Dakota’s announcement comes days after the National Institutes of Health said it would run a human clinical trial for hydroxychloroquine, which typically serves as an antimalarial drug, as an option to treat patients with COVID-19. The trial, which started last week, began with 500 adult participants enrolled at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville, Tenn.

The trial is placebo-controlled and randomized, meaning some of the patients will be treated with hydroxychloroquine while others will not. However, “all participants in the study will continue to receive clinical care as indicated for their condition,” the NIH said.

Theoretically, the drug, with its ability to quiet an immune system response, could help prevent a COVID-19-infected person’s immune system from going into overdrive, attacking the virus so vigorously that it ultimately causes organ failure and death, as has occurred in some patients. Though preliminary studies have shown the drug protects lab-grown cells from the virus, the human clinical trial is aimed at evaluating its “safety and effectiveness” in treating coronavirus patients, according to the NIH.

The drug has also faced shortages since being touted as a possible treatment option, namely affecting lupus patients who depend on it to treat the auto-immune disorder.

“The drug has demonstrated antiviral activity, an ability to modify the activity of the immune system, and has an established safety profile at appropriate doses, leading to the hypothesis that it may also be useful in the treatment of COVID-19,” the NIH said in a news release last week, though warned: “The drug is not without risks, as even short term use can cause cardiac arrhythmias, seizures, dermatological reactions and hypoglycemia.”
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/so...uine-clinical-trial-for-coronavirus-treatment
 

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Literally every week I read other novel therapies that are being studied with early results. Here is one with GREAT potential from Emory
http://news.emory.edu/stories/2020/04/covid_eidd2801_fda/

I hope this works as if it does it will be massive the reason being it is a RNA polymerase inhibitor something that is specific to this virus.

You see humans we have DNA but use RNA to make proteins. So we have things that take DNA to RNA. But we don’t have RNA to RNA. Viruses only have RNA. So to replicate they need RNA to RNA. This is the target of this drug the thing that converts RNA to RNA which is unique to viruses. Now there is a signifant chance this may flop on the clinical scale but it is promising and I wonder what the reaction would have been if a politician had tweeted it out.
 

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Trump never said anything other than the treatment looks promising. ...
And telling people to try it, what do they have to lose?

Fuck those people, fuck Trudeau, fuck Tam & Hajdu, and most of all, FUCK CHINA!
You've go some serious anger issues. Maybe this quarantine is a good thing.
 

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And telling people to try it, what do they have to lose?
As always with untested treatments:

1. It could harm them

2. It could keep them from getting other treatments.

Of course, if you have one leg in the grave, options change.
 

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This is not a political issue and I'm not interested in a pissing match. I found this interesting for the selfish reason, namely I'm getting on in years and the survival rate for the older set is grim. Might as well look at it from all angles, trivial, experimental or not.
Better not get anywhere near D.O. then.
 

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Might work, might not. But the fact that there are literally people in here willing to take it a powerful drug, not because there is irrefutable proof it works via peer reviewed data, but because and Orange Buffoon told them so, is very troubling.

Listen to your doctor. Stop reading things on the internet and thinking you've done "research".
 

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Literally every week I read other novel therapies that are being studied with early results. Here is one with GREAT potential from Emory
http://news.emory.edu/stories/2020/04/covid_eidd2801_fda/

I hope this works as if it does it will be massive the reason being it is a RNA polymerase inhibitor something that is specific to this virus.

You see humans we have DNA but use RNA to make proteins. So we have things that take DNA to RNA. But we don’t have RNA to RNA. Viruses only have RNA. So to replicate they need RNA to RNA. This is the target of this drug the thing that converts RNA to RNA which is unique to viruses. Now there is a signifant chance this may flop on the clinical scale but it is promising and I wonder what the reaction would have been if a politician had tweeted it out.
It does look promising. So do the modified human antibodies developed in Washington state, but I cannot find that story again.

Basically, once the medical community says we have found excalibur and can now combat COVID effectively, whether it is true or not, the media will pick up on it, everyone including politicians will be re-assured, and life will go back to normal. Whether excalibur is a drug, modified antibodies, or a vaccine, doesn't really matter to the general public.
 

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Question for Ben19:
I read reports that we don't know yet if people actually develop immunity for an extended period of time after recovering.

That seems scary. If we are only immune for a short period, doesn't that make the benefit of a vaccine negligible? How likely is this?
 

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Question for Ben19:
I read reports that we don't know yet if people actually develop immunity for an extended period of time after recovering.

That seems scary. If we are only immune for a short period, doesn't that make the benefit of a vaccine negligible? How likely is this?
I am not a doctor and do not know a lot. But this corona virus may behave like the common cold corona virus, i.e. it mutates often, so that immunity as well as a vaccine is short lived.

I realize I should have framed this post as a question to Ben19.
 

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I am not a doctor and do not know a lot. But this corona virus may behave like the common cold corona virus, i.e. it mutates often, so that immunity as well as a vaccine is short lived.

I realize I should have framed this post as a question to Ben19.
It depends on the information source. I've also read this type of virus is very stable. I think I also read that once you have a vaccine for a virus, it's easier to develop vaccine for the variant strains. Don't hold me to that. There is a lot of information being thrown at us so to say we will know more about the actual virus with every passing month is an understatement.

I'm glad you answered my question. It wasn't an exclusive query for Ben19. I simply wanted to get his thoughts since it appears he has some medical knowledge.
 

Ben19

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Question for Ben19:
I read reports that we don't know yet if people actually develop immunity for an extended period of time after recovering.

That seems scary. If we are only immune for a short period, doesn't that make the benefit of a vaccine negligible? How likely is this?
You and danmand have picked up on what I consider to be the most IMPORTANT point about COVID that is rarely talked about in the media, and that is in regards to its immunity. Everyone talks about flattening the curve and getting herd immunity or getting a vaccine but getting that immunity is complex and I dont think anyone fully understands it.

Okay so here is a little lesson. Immunity is when your body develops proteins and a mechanism to kill pathogens such as COVID-19. This works by creating antibodies against a specific unique part of this virus (that target the antibody binds to is called the antigen). Now this process sounds simple but is VERY complex. Just imagine, how does the body know whats bad (pathogen) and whats normal? This can go array sometimes and people get autoimmune disease. Hoes does the body know to pick a target that kills the virus or neutralizes its thread? How does the body remember this for the future? All these questions I hope illustrate the complexity involved here.

Now with COVID the surface parts have some unique proteins but they have sugar compounds on the exposed surfaces and these sugar parts are notoriously hard for the body to create antibodies too and this process takes time. During the acute phase your body isnt just laying around and taking it untill the antibodies are formed, there are other aspect of the immune system (specifically some T cell mediated pathways) that attack the virus. Now some times people can actually defeat the infection through that and while the body still has a mechanism to keep trying to figure out a way to create antibodies via helper cells it can fail so thats one situation in which a person who has gotten it once can get it again.

The other more common situation is to do with the TYPE of antibody that is created. We dont fully yet understand that. Antibodies can be in broad categories and the two main ones are IGG class or IGM class. Now IGG is what you want, that is the long term one that can last but it often requires a second wave of exposure to be permanent. If during the first phase someone only had a IGM response which peaks earlier but is not always long term then they can also be reinfected again. The body has ways to duplicate this process so you dont only have one of them against a certain virus but that is not always the case hence another reason we can be re-infected again. This graph shows the difference. . Now kids have different kind of antibodies and that is likely why they have differnt immunities and in this case a better immunity against this virus. Infants who have had 0 exposure to any pathogen when they are born also have a type of antibody that is passed on by their mothers and even ones that are passed on via breast milk (hence why some advocate for breask milk ).

The antibody can also be neutralizing or unneutralizing. Neutralizing antibodies bind to a part of the virus that essentially renders it useless while in the other category the binding it self doesent fully kill the virus. THe latter situation is often dependent on other mechanisms to deliver the final blow and those mechanisms can fade over time. Another reason why immunity can be temporary.

For corona the antibodies are being analyzed and the chinese actually were the first ones to share their findings. THere is a group called serenity II where researchers pool all their findings to understand this.

This complexity is also why vaccines take time and also are hard to develope. You want to create a vaccine that induces a response that is not just short term. The body has to be fooled into thinking the vaccine is the real deal, and that is not easy. When the body doesent have "danger" signals in place it is less likely to create a working antibody.

Now the issue danmand brough up is very valid. With corona though mutations are much less prevelant/likely as opposed to influenza. This is not the first or last type of corona virus we have seen and from our findings in previous corona viruses we know thankfully they mutate less.
 

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You and danmand have picked up on what I consider to be the most IMPORTANT point about COVID that is rarely talked about in the media, and that is in regards to its immunity. Everyone talks about flattening the curve and getting herd immunity or getting a vaccine but getting that immunity is complex and I dont think anyone fully understands it.

Okay so here is a little lesson. Immunity is when your body develops proteins and a mechanism to kill pathogens such as COVID-19. This works by creating antibodies against a specific unique part of this virus (that target the antibody binds to is called the antigen). Now this process sounds simple but is VERY complex. Just imagine, how does the body know whats bad (pathogen) and whats normal? This can go array sometimes and people get autoimmune disease. Hoes does the body know to pick a target that kills the virus or neutralizes its thread? How does the body remember this for the future? All these questions I hope illustrate the complexity involved here.

Now with COVID the surface parts have some unique proteins but they have sugar compounds on the exposed surfaces and these sugar parts are notoriously hard for the body to create antibodies too and this process takes time. During the acute phase your body isnt just laying around and taking it untill the antibodies are formed, there are other aspect of the immune system (specifically some T cell mediated pathways) that attack the virus. Now some times people can actually defeat the infection through that and while the body still has a mechanism to keep trying to figure out a way to create antibodies via helper cells it can fail so thats one situation in which a person who has gotten it once can get it again.

The other more common situation is to do with the TYPE of antibody that is created. We dont fully yet understand that. Antibodies can be in broad categories and the two main ones are IGG class or IGM class. Now IGG is what you want, that is the long term one that can last but it often requires a second wave of exposure to be permanent. If during the first phase someone only had a IGM response which peaks earlier but is not always long term then they can also be reinfected again. The body has ways to duplicate this process so you dont only have one of them against a certain virus but that is not always the case hence another reason we can be re-infected again. This graph shows the difference. . Now kids have different kind of antibodies and that is likely why they have differnt immunities and in this case a better immunity against this virus. Infants who have had 0 exposure to any pathogen when they are born also have a type of antibody that is passed on by their mothers and even ones that are passed on via breast milk (hence why some advocate for breask milk ).

The antibody can also be neutralizing or unneutralizing. Neutralizing antibodies bind to a part of the virus that essentially renders it useless while in the other category the binding it self doesent fully kill the virus. THe latter situation is often dependent on other mechanisms to deliver the final blow and those mechanisms can fade over time. Another reason why immunity can be temporary.

For corona the antibodies are being analyzed and the chinese actually were the first ones to share their findings. THere is a group called serenity II where researchers pool all their findings to understand this.

This complexity is also why vaccines take time and also are hard to develope. You want to create a vaccine that induces a response that is not just short term. The body has to be fooled into thinking the vaccine is the real deal, and that is not easy. When the body doesent have "danger" signals in place it is less likely to create a working antibody.

Now the issue danmand brough up is very valid. With corona though mutations are much less prevelant/likely as opposed to influenza. This is not the first or last type of corona virus we have seen and from our findings in previous corona viruses we know thankfully they mutate less.

Thank you very much for this informative lecture.
 

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Does this settle the question about the efficacy of the anti-malaria drug in treating COVID-19?

An antimalarial drug touted as a potential treatment for coronavirus might have no benefit to patients at all, according to a new study by French scientists.
Researchers compared more than 180 patients – some receiving hydroxychloroquine treatment and others who were not treated with the drug – and found their outcomes were almost identical.
The research by doctors and scientists from 12 hospitals and public research institutes across France, is the most comprehensive study so far of the performance of the controversial drug in hospitals and involves the most Covid-19 patients.
“These results do not support the use of hydroxychloroquine in patients hospitalised for documented Sars-CoV-2-positive hypoxic pneumonia,” the authors said in a non-peer reviewed paper released by medRxiv.org on Tuesday.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/sci...tment-hailed-trump-has-no-benefit-coronavirus
 

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Does this settle the question about the efficacy of the anti-malaria drug in treating COVID-19?



https://www.scmp.com/news/china/sci...tment-hailed-trump-has-no-benefit-coronavirus
Nope , because your study just base on one drug and probably used a high of a dose and it not peer reviewed! And it too low of a sample ( 180 patient) Plus also the faster you put the person on the drug combo the will result better the outcome of the disease!

Professor Didier Raoult Releases the Results of a New Hydroxychloroquine Treatment Study on 1061 Patients

http://covexit.com/professor-didier...chloroquine-treatment-study-on-1061-patients/

Professor Didier Raoult Releases the Results of a New Hydroxychloroquine Treatment Study on 1061 Patients
Posted on April 9, 2020 by covexit
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The new study, of which the abstract was released today, was performed at IHU Méditerranée Infection, Marseille, France. A cohort of 1061 COVID-19 patients, treated for at least 3 days with the Hydroxychloroquine-Azithromycin (HCQ-AZ) combination and a follow-up of at least 9 days was investigated.

Key findings are:

No cardiac toxicity was observed.
A good clinical outcome and virological cure was obtained in 973 patients within 10 days (91.7%).
A poor outcome was observed for 46 patients (4.3%); 10 were transferred to intensive care units, 5 patients died (0.47%) (74-95 years old) and 31 required 10 days of hospitalization or more.


The authors conclude that:

“The HCQ-AZ combination, when started immediately after diagnosis, is a safe and efficient treatment for COVID-19, with a mortality rate of 0.5%, in elderly patients. It avoids worsening and clears virus persistence and contagiosity in most cases.”

See the complete abstract below.

The original abstract can be accessed here.

Also, the researchers made this table available.

It’s not clear when the complete study will be made available.

ABSTRACT

Background

In a recent survey, most physicians worldwide considered that hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) and azithromycin (AZ) are the two most effective drugs among available molecules against COVID-19. Nevertheless, to date, one preliminary clinical trial only has demonstrated its efficacy on the viral load. Additionally, a clinical study including 80 patients was published, and in vitro efficiency of this association was demonstrated.

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The study was performed at IHU Méditerranée Infection, Marseille, France. A cohort of 1061 COVID-19 patients, treated for at least 3 days with the HCQ-AZ combination and a follow-up of at least 9 days was investigated. Endpoints were death, worsening and viral shedding persistence.

Findings

From March 3rd to April 9th, 2020, 59,655 specimens from 38,617 patients were tested for COVID-19 by PCR. Of the 3,165 positive patients placed in the care of our institute, 1061 previously unpublished patients met our inclusion criteria. Their mean age was 43.6 years old and 492 were male (46.4%). No cardiac toxicity was observed. A good clinical outcome and virological cure was obtained in 973 patients within 10 days (91.7%). Prolonged viral carriage at completion of treatment was observed in 47 patients (4.4%) and was associated to a higher viral load at diagnosis (p < 10-2) but viral culture was negative at day 10 and all but one were PCR-cleared at day 15. A poor outcome was observed for 46 patients (4.3%); 10 were transferred to intensive care units, 5 patients died (0.47%) (74-95 years old) and 31 required 10 days of hospitalization or more. Among this group, 25 patients are now cured and 16 are still hospitalized (98% of patients cured so far). Poor clinical outcome was significantly associated to older age (OR 1.11), initial higher severity (OR 10.05) and low hydroxychloroquine serum concentration. In addition, both poor clinical and virological outcomes were associated to the use of selective beta-blocking agents and angiotensin II receptor blockers (P<0.05). Mortality was significantly lower in patients who had received > 3 days of HCQ-AZ than in patients treated with other regimens both at IHU and in all Marseille public hospitals (p< 10-2).

>> Zinc Emerging as a Key in Hydroxychloroquine-Based Treatments
Interpretation


The HCQ-AZ combination, when started immediately after diagnosis, is a safe and efficient treatment for COVID-19, with a mortality rate of 0.5%, in elderly patients. It avoids worsening and clears virus persistence and contagiosity in most cases.

Source: https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/
 
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Does this settle the question about the efficacy of the anti-malaria drug in treating COVID-19?



https://www.scmp.com/news/china/sci...tment-hailed-trump-has-no-benefit-coronavirus
You should also look at the bottom of the article also last paragraph!

A new study has found hydroxychloroquine is not effective in treating the new coronavirus.
An antimalarial drug touted as a potential treatment for coronavirus might have no benefit to patients at all, according to a new study by French scientists. Researchers compared more than 180 patients – some receiving hydroxychloroquine treatment and others who were not treated with the drug – and found their outcomes were almost identical.

The research by doctors and scientists from 12 hospitals and public research institutes across France, is the most comprehensive study so far of the performance of the controversial drug in hospitals and involves the most Covid-19 patients.
“These results do not support the use of hydroxychloroquine in patients hospitalised for documented Sars-CoV-2-positive hypoxic pneumonia,” the authors said in a non-peer reviewed paper released by medRxiv.org on Tuesday.

Hydroxychloroquine was invented in 1945. It is a chemical compound derived from chloroquine, a drug used by troops to combat malaria in the Pacific jungles during World War II, with similar effect. Early this year, soon after the first strain of the new coronavirus was isolated, Chinese scientists used a supercomputer to screen for potential drugs. They found chloroquine and its derivatives had a chemical structure that could interact with the virus.

Preliminary laboratory experiments suggested this family of drugs could suppress viral replication in the test tube, though it remained far from clear what effect it would have on the human body. US President Donald Trump was the first – and the only – world leader promoting the drug as a hopeful cure for Covid-19 to the general public. The US Food and Drug Administration last month granted an emergency approval that allowed American hospitals to use chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine on Covid-19 patients without clinical trials.

An uncontrolled study by a research team in Marseille, France, involving 26 patients found 100 per cent viral clearance in nose swabs in six patients treated by a combination of hydroxychloroquine and antibiotics, raising hope for the drug.
In a study from Wuhan, China, on 62 patients, researchers also found “significant improvement” on the general outcome. These results, however, were not replicated in follow-up research involving 11 patients in Paris.

The conflicting observations have confused the public and health authorities around the world.
Studies of the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine treatment for coronavirus patients have had mixed results.

So a French team, led by Matthieu Mahevas of the University of Paris-Est, decided to investigate what happened in a “real-world setting”. They pulled the medical records from four hospitals in France of 181 patients of similar gender, age and health conditions. All the patients required oxygen because of lung infections caused by the virus.

The researchers said these patients were more representative of those admitted to hospitals swamped by the pandemic than those in some previous studies. The Wuhan trial, for instance, recruited only patients with mild symptoms, whose chance of recovery was high, even without treatment.

Among the patients who took hydroxychloroquine upon admission, 20.5 per cent had entered the intensive care unit or had died within a week. Among the patients who did not take the drug, the rate of ICU admission or mortality within a week was 22.1 per cent. The researchers said statistically there was no difference between the two groups. “ In conclusion, we found that hydroxychloroquine did not significantly reduce admission to ICU or death at day seven after hospital admission, or acute respiratory distress syndrome in hospitalised patients with hypoxemic pneumonia due to Covid-19,” the authors said. “ These results are of major importance and do not support the use of hydroxychloroquine in patients hospitalised for a documented Sars-CoV-2 pneumonia,” they added.

The doctors’ other concern was side effects. The hydroxychloroquine, although safer than chloroquine, could still cause a wide range of negative effects, including sudden cardiac death.

The French study found nearly 10 per cent of patients taking the drug experienced abnormal heartbeats that required discontinuation of the treatment after about four days. In most of these cases, the heart muscle took longer than normal to recharge between beats.
“One patient who received no other medication that might interfere with cardiac conduction presented a first-degree atrioventricular block after two days of hydroxychloroquine treatment,” the researchers said.

Research on the chloroquine family of drugs continues around the world as nations try to get the Covid-19 pandemic under control.
Zhong Nanshan, a senior Chinese government scientist in Guangzhou, told local media that his team would soon publish a paper with positive results for chloroquine phosphate, another derivative drug in the chloroquine family.
“The average time [with chloroquine phosphate treatment] for the virus to turn negative is four days, and the control group [without the treatment] is eight or nine days. This improvement of symptoms is very certain,” Zhong told state television on Tuesday.
“It can be a very effective cure.”


PS. Seem like two study have mixed result! One study I posted have 1061 patients vs your study 180 patients!
PPS Both paper need to be peer reviewed! I would also question the the timing on when you administrated the dose it may result a better outcome for the patients!

PPS. Noted on the last paragraph a derivative of chloroquine family can be an effective cure! Paper need to be peer reviewed!!
 
Ashley Madison
Toronto Escorts