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False equivalence.

Am I critiquing medical studies based on Google searches? Nope, I leave the analysis to actual peer reviewers.
Do you see me recommending random treatments I found on YouTube? Nope, I listen to guidance from a consensus of trained experts.
Are they 100% right all the time, especially with a fast-moving pandemic with limited research evidence? Nope, but that will work out way more often than not.
If you'd prefer mainlining bleach instead, be my guest.
My point is very similar.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions but passing away their opinions or their research off YouTube videos and blog posts that are self selected as evidence is false and dangerous.

Even when searching for a topic there is a scientific process of doing it to limit bias. There are multiple university courses on searching for evidence alone. Look up the process involved behind systematic reviews ...

When it comes to things like medication etc let’s take evidence from the professionals and then you can have your opinion on it. I have my opinions and my own biases as well but I don’t project those to the primary evidence and self select only the ones that fit my narrive. Now your opinion may be that all scientists and doctors are biased and somehow involved in this big conspiracy to make a few dollars off denying people a cure to a pandemic then so be it that’s your opinion.

My opinion is that science and medicine for generations has been designed to be objective and unbiased. Unfortunately with this new era of identity politics and calling things “fake news” that don’t fit your opinions the scientific process is also being attacked. Science has proven it self. Look where we are now. If medicine was driven off people’s opinions we would not be this far in our advancements. The very fact that this pandemic is something to worry about in the grand scheme of things is because we have gotten so advanced that even a disease that has a 1-5% mortality is devestating. Let’s not revert back to opinion based science and medicine and stick to the evidence.

This attack on science just because it doesent fit what people want to believe is leading us down a slippery road. “Experts “ are on some news channels such as Fox News calling for all funding to be stopped to universities during a fucjing pandemic. What is the alternative ? Do we abandon something that has gotten us this far and the people they have dedicated their entire lifes to research in favour of tv news anchors and arm chair experts who just circle jerk off their opinions on social media
 

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Thanks for your contributions Ben19. Aside from your obvious knowledge of science and medicine, you bring a refreshing approach to banging your head against the TERB wall. Please continue to share your knowledge and insights to the forum. The majority of members do learn and benefit from your efforts.

Oh, and can you recommend a good lung disinfectant?
 

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In the internet age, you can always post Trump's entire quote in context. However, it's far more entertaining to post your own interpretation of a media interpretation of what the man actually said.
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To the Naysayers of Hydroxychloroquine , please explain why the
Demonized of Hydroxychloroquine ?

Just follow the evidence and data! Stick to data! Not identity politics!
So far the data still indicates hydroxyclorquine & Zinc & Azithromycin is best treatment when taken earlier!

Goto video time= 10:49


Are they 100% right all the time, especially with a fast-moving pandemic with limited research evidence? Nope, but that will work out way more often than not.
If you'd prefer mainlining bleach instead, be my guest.
Be my guest be a TDS , you will be red face when the so call expert [ Mayo Clinc Cardiologists, FDA, NCBI , ) like got it wrong due to TDS syndromes.



My opinion is that science and medicine for generations has been designed to be objective and unbiased.

Let’s not revert back to opinion based science and medicine and stick to the evidence.
I agree with that part Ben stick to science , facts, objective, unbiased, and data. But unfortunately this video starting to prove you wrong!



PS. When the study from McGill University involves doubles blind random Hyroxychlorquine & Azithromycin & Zinc come out you naysayers be will look like a fool! Unfortunately lot of people will die and that can be prevented in USA because of TDS .
 

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To the Naysayers of Hydroxychloroquine , please explain why the
Demonized of Hydroxychloroquine ?

Just follow the evidence and data! Stick to data! Not identity politics!
So far the data still indicates hydroxyclorquine & Zinc & Azithromycin is best treatment when taken earlier!

Goto video time= 10:49





I agree with that part Ben stick to science , facts, objective, unbiased, and data. But unfortunately this video start to prove you wrong!



PS. When the study from McGill University involves doubles blind random Hyroxychlorquine & Azithromycin & Zinc come out
you naysayers be will look like a fool!
This video is NOT scientific evidence. Part of the video has the guy opening up his email comments.

To present an actual review of the evidence of HCQ you need to do a systematic review of the literature. There is evidence for and against the drug that is published in trials. If you go in with the mindset to prove something you will find evidence for it. The people that actually have done this for 18 years or those have have enough experience and training to interpret things can tell you that there is NOT enough evidence to make any conclusions yet but there is enough evidence to say this is NOT a cure but may have some benifit that outweights its risks
 

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This video is NOT scientific evidence. Part of the video has the guy opening up his email comments.

To present an actual review of the evidence of HCQ you need to do a systematic review of the literature. There is evidence for and against the drug that is published in trials. If you go in with the mindset to prove something you will find evidence for it. The people that actually have done this for 18 years or those have have enough experience and training to interpret things can tell you that there is NOT enough evidence to make any conclusions yet but there is enough evidence to say this is NOT a cure but may have some benifit that outweights its risks
Look before you make a comment at least have a decency of watching the video! Otherwise it show me you just just suffering TDS! You can look at the conclusion GO TO video 41:40 explaining the bad science on sUddenly demonized HCQ .
All this video is point about bad science and common sense! Unfortunately you are too closed minded! To even spend few minutes to watch it!

PS. I know &#!@ double blinded randomly peer reviewed studies is the gold standard! I been pointing it out repeatedly on previous post! For person who probably a medical student you have such a closed mind! All drugs have risk even aspirin! This video is pointing out the bad science that are against the use of HCQ treatments!

PPS . When the McGill study come out you will look like a fool & all you naysayers ! ( It a double blinded randomly studies large sample size) ! Unfortunately lot people will die unnecessarily! I know a relative friend is working at McGILL on that studies! I think if I came down with covid19 , base on what I know now it is my best option & it my best treatment! I refuse to listen to the naysayers, because of their TDS and I am following the data!!
 

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Look before you make a comment at least have a decency of watching the video! Otherwise it show me you just just suffering TDS!
All this video is point about bad science and common sense! Unfortunately you are too closed minded! To even spend few minutes to watch it!

PS. I know &#!@ double blinded randomly peer reviewed studies is the gold standard! I been pointing it out repeatedly on my post!

PPS . When the McGill study come out you will look like a fool & all you naysayers ! ( It a double blinded randomly studies large sample size) ! Unfortunately lot people will die unnecessarily! I know a relative friend is working at McGILL on that studies!
A YOUTUBE VIDEO IS NOT SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE. The video has a guy trying to prove a point and then has him going through things to show his point. When you are searching for evidence you have to be impartial. When you have a hypothesis in science you test it by creating a null hypothesis which suggests the opposite and your task is to prove that your null hypothesis is false.

Also even looking at randomized controlled trials has a process. You have to compare them against each other. A bad RCT is just as good as a good cohort study. You can even have a badly designed RCT, you can have a RCT that has good design low power you can have a RCT with good design good power but no efficacy in isolating results etc etc. That forms the WHOLE premise behind the cochrane initiative. Look let the actual scientist at McGill and elsewhere do the science and we will both see the results when they come out.

For most drugs there are trials that are for and against it. If you go to medical school you will learn in DETAIL about trials including randomized ones and you will learn how to analyze them and also the history on how mistakes have been made when making conclusions based on one study.

You are only looking and obsessing over this one drug, most people who have done this have seen and gone through this process before with other drugs and have years of training to analyze the results.

Also my point remains that HCQ could have some benifit we just need to wait for more evidence and no amount of "experts" on youtube yelling at their screen will be providing that. In the meanwhile if you have COVID and are concerned and want to take this medication talk to your doctor. In general you should talk to your doctor and not online for suggestions that includes mines.
 

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When McGill studies come out you will never trust US FDA again and mainstream media again!

PS. Fuck politic ( left or right) , ( Fuck Trump, FUCK Sanders, FUCK NDP, FUCK LIBERAL, FUCK Conservative, REPUBLICAN, Democrats,Fuck Clinton, Fuck Bush, Fuck Obama, FUCK Trudeau, Fuck Ford, Fuck Harper
Fuck mainstream media)
PPS. Just follow the data!
 

Ben19

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When McGill studies come out you will never trust US FDA again and mainstream media again!

PS. Fuck politic ( left or right) , ( Fuck Trump, Fuck Clinton, Fuck Bush, Fuck Obama, FUCK Trudeau, Fuck Ford,
Fuck mainstream media)
PPS. Just follow the data!
Link me the Mcgill study RCT on clinicaltrials.gov I cant find it. you seem to be an expert on an unpublished study.
 

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Link me the Mcgill study RCT on clinicaltrials.gov I cant find it. you seem to be an expert on an unpublished study.
Not published yet! Still ongoing!
 

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Not published yet! Still ongoing!
For a RCT to be valid it has to be registered in advance with the study protocol and treatment groups, randomization strategy, intervention arms, monitoring, primary and secondary endpoints on clinicaltrials.gov otherwise its not a RCT ....

This is to ensure several things including that the investigators dont alter their study based on results, the study has a point to stop it if the results are too good or too dangerous and to also keep the investigators honest. In Canada there is NO way a RCT will pass research ethics without prior registration.

Its nice your excited about an RCT, I wish more people were excited about these things on more topics lol Im usually in the minority on that. I encourage you to check things from the source and not through the filter of youtube videos.


Check out the 283 registered trials on HCQ

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?intr="Hydroxychloroquine"
 

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For a RCT to be valid it has to be registered in advance with the study protocol and treatment groups, randomization strategy, intervention arms, monitoring, primary and secondary endpoints on clinicaltrials.gov otherwise its not a RCT ....

This is to ensure several things including that the investigators dont alter their study based on results, the study has a point to stop it if the results are too good or too dangerous and to also keep the investigators honest. In Canada there is NO way a RCT will pass research ethics without prior registration.

Its nice your excited about an RCT, I wish more people were excited about these things on more topics lol Im usually in the minority on that. I encourage you to check things from the source and not through the filter of youtube videos.


Check out the 283 registered trials on HCQ

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?intr="Hydroxychloroquine"

There was a NYC ER doctor on Tucker Carlson Tonight weeks ago that said he was on prophylactic Plaquenil and had been testing negative repeatedly.

They’ve already been using it, everywhere, for weeks or months. They know that it works.
March 31 2020

This is. press release from MCGILL University
https://publications.mcgill.ca/mede...t-covid-19-with-an-innovative-clinical-trial/



Montreal researchers enter the race against COVID-19 with an innovative clinical trial
Live 2020
Researchers at the RI-MUHC will start assessing the efficiency of the drug hydroxychloroquine in the fight against COVID with health-care workers




Source: RI-MUHC

Dr. Todd Lee is a member of the Infectious Diseases and Immunity in Global Health Program at the Research Institute of the MUHC, where he conducts research at the Centre for Outcomes and Evaluative Research
Determined to fight the spread of the COVID-19 pandemic, researchers at the Research Institute of the McGill University Health Centre (RI-MUHC) are launching today an innovative clinical trial for which people can enroll online and participate entirely from home. The trial will assess whether the drug hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) – a Health Canada approved drug that is used to treat malaria and some autoimmune conditions like Lupus – can prevent people from contracting COVID-19 after exposure to the SARS-CoV2 virus and whether it can decrease complications and deaths related to the disease. Coordinated with a large study led by Dr. David Boulware at the University of Minnesota, the clinical trial will take place not only in Quebec, but also in Manitoba, Alberta and the United States.
With this trial, the researchers hope to show that HCQ can decrease the risk of spread of the virus in people exposed to infected individuals, reduce progression to severe disease requiring hospitalization and ventilator support, and lower the number of deaths from COVID-19. Observational studies have suggested that HCQ might have some action against COVID-19, but evidence is needed to confirm potential treatment options.
“Hydroxychloroquine is an old drug with a good safety record, and we hope that it can help solve the public health crisis that we’re in today,” says principal investigator Dr. Todd C. Lee, Scientist at the RI-MUHC and Associate Professor of Medicine, Division of Infectious Diseases at McGill University. “We are excited that Quebec is leading this study in Canada and to be able to offer our healthcare practitioners a promising option for treatment.”
In this two-arm study, HCQ or a placebo will be given to clinical trial participants who have tested positive for COVID-19 or who have a high-risk exposure to individuals who tested positive. The trial is now enrolling health-care workers.

Dr. Emily McDonald is a member of the Infectious Diseases and Immunity in Global Health Program at the Research Institute of the MUHC, where she conducts research at the Centre for Outcomes and Evaluative Research
“We are in desperate need of a treatment to prevent the spread of COVID-19 amongst healthcare professionals,” says Dr. Emily G. McDonald, Investigator at the RI-MUHC and Director of the MUHC Clinical Practice Assessment Unit. “In order for doctors and nurses to continue treating patients, and for their own safety, we need a proven treatment that protects if they are accidentally exposed to the SARS-CoV-2 virus.”
“Preventing the spread of COVID-19 is paramount,” adds Dr. Lee. “We need a treatment that is proven to be effective so that we can decrease the spread of the virus between people who have been exposed and “flatten the curve”.
Participants’ eligibility
Healthcare workers are eligible for the clinical trial if they have a confirmed diagnosis of COVID-19, their symptoms began in the past three to four days and they are self-isolating at home. Healthcare workers are also eligible if they have been in close contact with a person with COVID-19, the exposure occurred within the past three to four days and they have no symptoms.
Eligible adults can enroll through a self-referral process online after answering a series of questions. The participants won’t have medical visits with the researchers because of the contagious nature of the disease. Instead, the drug or placebo will be shipped to them the day after they are determined eligible and are enrolled in the trial. They will then take the drug or the placebo for five days and complete additional online surveys.
Quebecers who meet these criteria and wish to participate in the clinical trial should visit cv19rct.idtrials.com to access the online screening questionnaire to determine their eligibility. For more information about the study, they can visit the study webpage at covid-19research.ca.
Acknowledgments
This clinical study is made possible through funding from the MUHC Clinical Practice Assessment Unit (CPAU) and with support from the MI-4 Clinical Trials Platform.
The researchers would like to thank David Boulware at the University of Minnesota who created the study in the USA and with whom they have worked to make Canada’s study a reality, as well as partners from University of Manitoba (Dr. Ryan Zayrchanski, principal investigator) and University of Alberta (Dr. Ilan Schwartz, principal investigator).
About the Research Institute of the MUHC
The Research Institute of the McGill University Health Centre (RI-MUHC) is a world-renowned biomedical and healthcare research centre. The Institute, which is affiliated with the Faculty of Medicine of McGill University, is the research arm of the McGill University Health Centre (MUHC) – an academic health centre located in Montreal, Canada, that has a mandate to focus on complex care within its community. The RI-MUHC supports over 420 researchers and close to 1,200 research trainees devoted to a broad spectrum of fundamental, clinical and health outcomes research at the Glen and the Montreal General Hospital sites of the MUHC. Its research facilities offer a dynamic multidisciplinary environment that fosters collaboration and leverages discovery aimed at improving the health of individual patients across their lifespan. The RI-MUHC is supported in part by the Fonds de recherche du Québec – Santé (FRQS). rimuhc.ca
About CPAU
The Clinical Practice Assessment Unit was established in 2016 through funding from the Department of Medicine. The research unit seeks to study high value healthcare and appropriate use of healthcare resources.
About MI-4 Clinical Trials Platform
The Platform provides infrastructure for operationalizing novel studies and helps support researchers in launching randomized clinical trials in infectious diseases and immunity.
Media contact
Fabienne Landry
Communications, Research
McGill University Health Centre
Cell 514 812-7722
fabienne.landry@muhc.mcgill.ca
 

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March 31 2020

This is. new article
https://publications.mcgill.ca/mede...t-covid-19-with-an-innovative-clinical-trial/


Montreal researchers enter the race against COVID-19 with an innovative clinical trial
Live 2020
Researchers at the RI-MUHC will start assessing the efficiency of the drug hydroxychloroquine in the fight against COVID with health-care workers




Source: RI-MUHC

Dr. Todd Lee is a member of the Infectious Diseases and Immunity in Global Health Program at the Research Institute of the MUHC, where he conducts research at the Centre for Outcomes and Evaluative Research
Determined to fight the spread of the COVID-19 pandemic, researchers at the Research Institute of the McGill University Health Centre (RI-MUHC) are launching today an innovative clinical trial for which people can enroll online and participate entirely from home. The trial will assess whether the drug hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) – a Health Canada approved drug that is used to treat malaria and some autoimmune conditions like Lupus – can prevent people from contracting COVID-19 after exposure to the SARS-CoV2 virus and whether it can decrease complications and deaths related to the disease. Coordinated with a large study led by Dr. David Boulware at the University of Minnesota, the clinical trial will take place not only in Quebec, but also in Manitoba, Alberta and the United States.
With this trial, the researchers hope to show that HCQ can decrease the risk of spread of the virus in people exposed to infected individuals, reduce progression to severe disease requiring hospitalization and ventilator support, and lower the number of deaths from COVID-19. Observational studies have suggested that HCQ might have some action against COVID-19, but evidence is needed to confirm potential treatment options.
“Hydroxychloroquine is an old drug with a good safety record, and we hope that it can help solve the public health crisis that we’re in today,” says principal investigator Dr. Todd C. Lee, Scientist at the RI-MUHC and Associate Professor of Medicine, Division of Infectious Diseases at McGill University. “We are excited that Quebec is leading this study in Canada and to be able to offer our healthcare practitioners a promising option for treatment.”
In this two-arm study, HCQ or a placebo will be given to clinical trial participants who have tested positive for COVID-19 or who have a high-risk exposure to individuals who tested positive. The trial is now enrolling health-care workers.

Dr. Emily McDonald is a member of the Infectious Diseases and Immunity in Global Health Program at the Research Institute of the MUHC, where she conducts research at the Centre for Outcomes and Evaluative Research
“We are in desperate need of a treatment to prevent the spread of COVID-19 amongst healthcare professionals,” says Dr. Emily G. McDonald, Investigator at the RI-MUHC and Director of the MUHC Clinical Practice Assessment Unit. “In order for doctors and nurses to continue treating patients, and for their own safety, we need a proven treatment that protects if they are accidentally exposed to the SARS-CoV-2 virus.”
“Preventing the spread of COVID-19 is paramount,” adds Dr. Lee. “We need a treatment that is proven to be effective so that we can decrease the spread of the virus between people who have been exposed and “flatten the curve”.
Participants’ eligibility
Healthcare workers are eligible for the clinical trial if they have a confirmed diagnosis of COVID-19, their symptoms began in the past three to four days and they are self-isolating at home. Healthcare workers are also eligible if they have been in close contact with a person with COVID-19, the exposure occurred within the past three to four days and they have no symptoms.
Eligible adults can enroll through a self-referral process online after answering a series of questions. The participants won’t have medical visits with the researchers because of the contagious nature of the disease. Instead, the drug or placebo will be shipped to them the day after they are determined eligible and are enrolled in the trial. They will then take the drug or the placebo for five days and complete additional online surveys.
Quebecers who meet these criteria and wish to participate in the clinical trial should visit cv19rct.idtrials.com to access the online screening questionnaire to determine their eligibility. For more information about the study, they can visit the study webpage at covid-19research.ca.
Acknowledgments
This clinical study is made possible through funding from the MUHC Clinical Practice Assessment Unit (CPAU) and with support from the MI-4 Clinical Trials Platform.
The researchers would like to thank David Boulware at the University of Minnesota who created the study in the USA and with whom they have worked to make Canada’s study a reality, as well as partners from University of Manitoba (Dr. Ryan Zayrchanski, principal investigator) and University of Alberta (Dr. Ilan Schwartz, principal investigator).
About the Research Institute of the MUHC
The Research Institute of the McGill University Health Centre (RI-MUHC) is a world-renowned biomedical and healthcare research centre. The Institute, which is affiliated with the Faculty of Medicine of McGill University, is the research arm of the McGill University Health Centre (MUHC) – an academic health centre located in Montreal, Canada, that has a mandate to focus on complex care within its community. The RI-MUHC supports over 420 researchers and close to 1,200 research trainees devoted to a broad spectrum of fundamental, clinical and health outcomes research at the Glen and the Montreal General Hospital sites of the MUHC. Its research facilities offer a dynamic multidisciplinary environment that fosters collaboration and leverages discovery aimed at improving the health of individual patients across their lifespan. The RI-MUHC is supported in part by the Fonds de recherche du Québec – Santé (FRQS). rimuhc.ca
About CPAU
The Clinical Practice Assessment Unit was established in 2016 through funding from the Department of Medicine. The research unit seeks to study high value healthcare and appropriate use of healthcare resources.
About MI-4 Clinical Trials Platform
The Platform provides infrastructure for operationalizing novel studies and helps support researchers in launching randomized clinical trials in infectious diseases and immunity.
Media contact
Fabienne Landry
Communications, Research
McGill University Health Centre
Cell 514 812-7722
fabienne.landry@muhc.mcgill.ca
What you posted is March 31st. Right now It is April 24th and I do NOT see their trial on clinicaltrials that only implied that it either was removed or never submitted both of which are suspicious.

There are as I mentioned over 300 other trials

Including this one from Alberta which actually is very well designed and in Recruitment phase : https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04329611

The only one from McGill I find that is active is a joined study with UofT looking at impact on Lupus https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT03802188

Im not on my main computer though so I may be missing it
 

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Ben, stop it! LOL

Just kidding, keep going.

It doesn't work. People are still dying every day! Do you really believe the docs would let people die if it worked?
 
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