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On the contrary, the continued land grabs, including announcements this week, confirm that Israel's goal is to take as much land as they possibly can.
They've already taken too much for a two state solution and the very last chance for that is supposed to be in about two weeks with Abbas' UN proposal.
After that the fight should turn to equal rights for all and as you so clearly point out, those Palestinians with equal rights living within Israel have shown that it is the only way to peace left now.

Bring on the ICC.
This post is full of jibber jabber unrelated to the topic we were discussing. Whatever border dispute exists has nothing to do with how well Arab Israeli citizens are treated.
 

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How does he treat those who oppose him?
Is it any different than the way he is treated, being called a racist, an anti-Semite, vile and dangerous....for standing up for the rights of Palestinians.
So Mandella and the ANC , were designated a terrorist group in the eyes of the U.S. and did not officially change until 2008.
Do you believe Mandella was a terrorist and the ANC, a terrorist group, in light of what they were fighting for?
Was Mandella vile and dangerous, he reeked a lot more havoc and destruction than Galloway ever has.
Yes I believe the military wing of the ANC, for which Mandela initially supported, was a terrorist organization.

I don't believe Galloway is a terrorist, and have never claimed so. He is however a supporter of terrorist organizations (he openly supports Hamas and Hezbollah). His extreme left viewpoints are dangerous and anyone who disagrees with him he tries to bully and shout down. Guy has no class.
 

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Mandela went into prison a terrorist, there is no point trying to hide that. What made him a great man was what he did when he got out. He could have called for an uprising and likely overthrown the government by force, but he chose another path, peaceful reconciliation.

Obviously he matured in prison, and his early links to terrorism make his eventual choice even more inspiring.
 

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Mandela went into prison a terrorist, there is no point trying to hide that. What made him a great man was what he did when he got out. He could have called for an uprising and likely overthrown the government by force, but he chose another path, peaceful reconciliation.

Obviously he matured in prison, and his early links to terrorism make his eventual choice even more inspiring.
Glad to hear that you support the possibility that terrorists can mature and lead to peaceful meaningful change.
But imagine if Botha went all Netanyahu and just decided to bomb the Bantustans to submission, we'd have never have heard of Mandela.
 

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Glad to hear that you support the possibility that terrorists can mature and lead to peaceful meaningful change.....
If you cared about honesty you would admit this is something that fuji has been consistent on. He has often said that Palestinians would be welcome if they renounced terror and fought their battles solely through political means.

jazzy compared Mandela and the ANC to Hamas. Come back to us when Hamas embraces the later politics of Nelson.
 

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If you cared about honesty you would admit this is something that fuji has been consistent on. He has often said that Palestinians would be welcome if they renounced terror and fought their battles solely through political means.

jazzy compared Mandela and the ANC to Hamas. Come back to us when Hamas embraces the later politics of Nelson.
Peaceful means? Let's test that. Do you support BDS now?

Do you think he will find someway to avoid supporting this non violent means of achieving Palestinian aims?
 

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Mandela went into prison a terrorist, there is no point trying to hide that. What made him a great man was what he did when he got out. He could have called for an uprising and likely overthrown the government by force, but he chose another path, peaceful reconciliation.

Obviously he matured in prison, and his early links to terrorism make his eventual choice even more inspiring.
You need to read your history. Mandela was released because the apartheid sanctions and ANC armed uprising made the racist ideology of the ruling class unsustainable. The same is happening to Zionism.

And just like in Israel, the ruling class predicted mass chaos and murder from the ANC leadership. It turned out that the ANC had values consistent with universal human rights.
 

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You have no clue what Zionism is.
You've already told us, its the plan to establish a racist state.

Now that we've heard you support that terrorists can become peaceful, as Mandela did, you should be supportive of the BDS movement, since you are always saying you don't support the death of civilians. Clearly its the way forward for Palestinian protests that will mean the fewest deaths on either side.

So why don't you support the BDS movement?
 

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Hamas and Islamic Jihad have NOT renounced terrorism. Do not compare them to Mandela you fanatical clown, they continue to be hardcore vicious terrorists opposed to all things civilized.
 

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Hamas and Islamic Jihad have NOT renounced terrorism. Do not compare them to Mandela you fanatical clown, they continue to be hardcore vicious terrorists opposed to all things civilized.
This last round of slaughter they did not act as terrorists.
You're working on old news.

And why don't you support them changing to non-violent means?
Do you really want them to remain as what you call 'terrorists'?
 

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Peaceful means? Let's test that. Do you support BDS now?

Do you think he will find someway to avoid supporting this non violent means of achieving Palestinian aims?
Of course not. I don't agree with their goals or motivations.

I support people's right to promote though. Unlike terror attacks, it's goal is not to kill civilians.
 

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Of course not. I don't agree with their goals or motivations.

I support people's right to promote though. Unlike terror attacks, it's goal is not to kill civilians.
So, first chance you get you fail the test. Wow....more oral servitude.
 

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Are you nuts? Kidnapping and murdering teenagers doesn't count as terrorism? Firing rockets into Israel doesn't count as terrorism?
What's the difference between Hamas kidnapping teens for prisoner exchange and Israel putting 500 Palestinians and teens in 'administrative detention'?
And of course, there is no real evidence other then a confession under probable torture that anyone part of Hamas did it, quite probably it was a splinter group intent on starting a war.

And secondly, Hamas announced it was aiming for the Tel Aviv airport because there was a military base, assuming that they were aiming at military targets its not terrorism, just a war crime of using weapons that aren't accurate enough to avoid killing civilians and therefore not terrorism, according to fuji rules, of course.
 

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So, first chance you get you fail the test. Wow....more oral servitude.
You really are funny.

It's not surprising that you skip over the lives of 400 plus children. Zionism teaches you to devalue anyone else.
Sorry but you were talking about Hamas and their refusal to accept international law and commission of war crimes.
 
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