Generation Y?
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I wish it was BS. A lot of Recruiters are finding it hard to recruit the Gen Y in certain job catagories. Areas like construction, advertising are finding less enrollments.
Gen Y'ers (in general) feel a sense of entitlement and believe in "work to LIVE", not "LIVE to work". I don't agree with the entitlement, as, we all have to pay our dues. But, "work to LIVE", I do believe, as, you look in other countries, where there is a balance between work/play -- live better quality lives.
biog said:Buddy. You make cookies. Get over yourself.
Keebler is still stuck in the proletarian rev chanting workers of the world untie as he trips over his laces.
Keebler has a good point. What I think some of the older generation is missing is this:
If you have 15-20 maybe even 30 yrs experience in your job, you are way closer out the door than some young person who has energy, drive, ambition and is just starting their 35 yr journey into the workforce. You are damn right they are going to reshape industry to suit their means. I am part of Gen X and none of us could get our foot in the door when we were young. So we invented the internet. (feel free to argue with that statement but BBS wasn't doing anything much until we came along) Same with the babyboomers - there were enough of them to challenge the conventions of the workforce and change it to suit their needs. Shawn Fanning singlehandedly reinvented music distribution - FOREVER - and he was a write off slacker who dropped out of college.
If you are part of the older generation, think about how much ambition you had back in your day and how hard you worked to get where you are. Wouldn't you have rewritten the rules if you saw the opportunity?
Red: Do you want to hire automatons or someone that can be dynamic and think laterally? Your call.
If you have 15-20 maybe even 30 yrs experience in your job, you are way closer out the door than some young person who has energy, drive, ambition and is just starting their 35 yr journey into the workforce. You are damn right they are going to reshape industry to suit their means. I am part of Gen X and none of us could get our foot in the door when we were young. So we invented the internet. (feel free to argue with that statement but BBS wasn't doing anything much until we came along) Same with the babyboomers - there were enough of them to challenge the conventions of the workforce and change it to suit their needs. Shawn Fanning singlehandedly reinvented music distribution - FOREVER - and he was a write off slacker who dropped out of college.
If you are part of the older generation, think about how much ambition you had back in your day and how hard you worked to get where you are. Wouldn't you have rewritten the rules if you saw the opportunity?
Red: Do you want to hire automatons or someone that can be dynamic and think laterally? Your call.
Dewalt said:
you know for every boy wonder of the y generation there are a hundred thousand losers living in their parents basements waiting for their big break to be handed to them.
asking people to show up on time and work is hardly asking them to be automatons. Plenty of creative people work all day long. let me ask you this: if you were paying for a generation y sp and she didn't show or spent the entire hour on facebook- are you going to be mad and not book with her again or are you going to think to yourself well I guess I am just not "with it" and keep booking her for her lateral thinking?
Keebler Elf said:LOL! Actually, no, you can't. But I'll let you find that out the hard way.
You're the employer who will lose in the growing labour market war. Have fun!
p.s., that was a pretty STUPID comment to make when you have no idea what I do. I wouldn't be at all surprised if that stupidity carries over into your business decisions. Oh yeah, you've already shown that it does.
i don't have to find out the hard way. I am already doing it. think global my angry little cookie maker.
by the way I wasn't talking about you specifically- I don't know what you do, nor do i care. I was talking about generation Y
Right. Perhaps the generation y worker is "easily distracted" but the gen y consumer is more demanding then any boomer I've ever met.red said:
And here, is the problem. More and more demands from Gen y consumers, and more and more "fuck you" from gen y workers.
It's gonna fall apart until, Gen Yers realize, that there is a lot of hard work required to generate the outrageous salerys they belive they are owed.
The biggest lie, in the original post, is that Gen Y'ers are Mobile.
Perhaps if they are in between relationships, but most of today's little boys and girls want to be home for afternoon snack at 5pm.
"What's that? You want me to travel away from my Spouse, Kids, Friends, video games, mother's house for two whole weeks?"
"Why can't somone else do it?"
"Ohhh My Gosh...It's snowing ...I couldn't possibly come to the office, today."
No...Gen Y's are wimps.
I think you have some valid points, but remember that the Ys will inherit a fair amount of wealth from the boomers and are not forced to work their asses off to make a decent living. I think it will take one or two generations to piss away all that wealth and the cycle will start over again.Diode said:
Interesting point. The "Boomer" parent generation did well financially and are getting to an age where that money (from hard work) and shrewdMeister said:
investing has to go somewhere so there is a younger generation that is going to be inheriting considerable wealth over the next decade or so. Perhaps the generation y have figured this out and are hanging around home more to make sure they are first in line. From my "boomer" perspective, this isn't too impressive a life strategy.Has anyone else watched "Mad Men"?
While all of the men, dressed conservativly, they were hardly robots.
In fact, there is very little concern for Politicaly Correct-speak....The Steno-pool takes care or mail, typing, making apointments...and the executives are alowed to Think. To discuss, and perhaps imbibe, for creativity.
The modern office(The Gen Y Office), is a bit backward...don't you think?
No fun...no frolick...No jokes....No romance.
I've worked almost twenty years, why would I still want to be in the mail room? But Gen Yers open their own email? Right? It's weird.
What's more creative to you? Sitting at the club for lunch, with other high powered guys, sipping martini's and Talking Business.....OR Posting some blog on my space about how you could run the company better than the OLD man?
Gen Yers have it ALL backwards.
While all of the men, dressed conservativly, they were hardly robots.
In fact, there is very little concern for Politicaly Correct-speak....The Steno-pool takes care or mail, typing, making apointments...and the executives are alowed to Think. To discuss, and perhaps imbibe, for creativity.
The modern office(The Gen Y Office), is a bit backward...don't you think?
No fun...no frolick...No jokes....No romance.
I've worked almost twenty years, why would I still want to be in the mail room? But Gen Yers open their own email? Right? It's weird.
What's more creative to you? Sitting at the club for lunch, with other high powered guys, sipping martini's and Talking Business.....OR Posting some blog on my space about how you could run the company better than the OLD man?
Gen Yers have it ALL backwards.
This statement is very true and why stock market corrections (like the current one) which cause demand reductions in our markets, hence reduce demand for all types of labour are useful. There is nothing like a recession to help free up a tight labour market and reduce the shortage of workers. Inevitably, demand for labour will decrease over the next year increasing the supply of workers available and reducing wage demands in all industries.Keebler Elf said:
barrowing said:
Actually, I think a recession may not have a such an influence on a tight labor market.
I think a more likely culprit is just pure demographics. Gen X is slated to take over from the boomers, which is a much larger generation. This means that there will be a large number of vacancies competing for a smaller # of people => yes, Gen X, our time is here. Remember the early 90s man? Holy shit those days were rough. It will be a tight labor market for us - those lucky ones who managed to get good jobs after university.
This can already be seen in fields like engineering, accounting and medicine. Some estimates say that more than 20% will retire from those fields in the next 5-10 years. Thus, salaries for trained, experienced professionals in those fields are going to surge in the next 10 years.
At the same time, Gen Y is larger than Gen X. If you have any doubt about that, then take a good look at recent university enrollments. Look at the abundance of dumb-ass teen movies (and associated movie theatres) produced in the last 5 years - all cultivating to Gen Y. As Gen X migrates upward, replacing the boomers, Gen Y will have to compete for the spots we leave behind. #s don't lie.
Thus all the junior/mid level positions (i.e. 0-7 years) will have a large pool of applicants competing for them. A recession will worsen the situation for inexperienced applicants. Of course, this may not apply equally to all fields - e.g. there's currently a deficit in comp sci, etc...
But overall, I think Gen Y is going to experience reality over the next few years and it ain't going to be pretty.
I'd also like to add that it's hard to generalize about Gen Y.
I think it could be a very interesting generation to watch as they're more interested in causes (since their money angle is already taken care of, courtesy of their rich boomer parents). They also have to figure out how to deal with radical Islam, the worsening environment and increasing globalization.
It'll also be the generation that could upset Canada's political/economic milieu since they're the ones who least benefited from Trudeau's deficit spending, but yet have to pay for it. They'll also have to foot the bill for all the growing number of boomer seniors.
I think it could be a very interesting generation to watch as they're more interested in causes (since their money angle is already taken care of, courtesy of their rich boomer parents). They also have to figure out how to deal with radical Islam, the worsening environment and increasing globalization.
It'll also be the generation that could upset Canada's political/economic milieu since they're the ones who least benefited from Trudeau's deficit spending, but yet have to pay for it. They'll also have to foot the bill for all the growing number of boomer seniors.
Swingdancer said:
Depends on how much of an a$$hole you want to be, I guess.
Labelling an entire generation is unhelpful to say the least.
Like it or not boys, their sheer numbers are going to change the way the world works. If you want to be a buggywhip maker, then don't complain when the rest of the dynamic labour market changes and you are left in the dust.
The best way to stay competitive is to recognize the new demands of the markets and cater to them. Business is about making $, put your fragile egos away and concentrate on making your $ or get out of the way.
Sheesh, old geezers these days. I tell ya...
The best way to stay competitive is to recognize the new demands of the markets and cater to them. Business is about making $, put your fragile egos away and concentrate on making your $ or get out of the way.
Sheesh, old geezers these days. I tell ya...
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Hang on Dewalt. Which is it? Do I have to change for my customers new needs, ( Which makes sense..Buggy whip to Blackberry), or do I have to change to meet some new "standard" that Gen Yers have about the work-place stylethat they demand.Dewalt said:
Help me out, ok? If I'm making Buggy whips, Or Blackberry's I need...
1)A plant
2)Inventory
3)People trained to make product
4)Recptionist/Office people
5)A/R and A/P department
6)Sales force
7)Perhaps a service department
8)A company leader/President...
Now what's so different about making buggy whips or Blackberrys?
Not really that much.
What is this new type of worker, that is Creative and easily distracted good for?
Their Good if they are productive. And productiviy means, showing up on time, not being absent too much ( every one gets sick/has TRUE emergencies), Doing an honest days work, for honest pay...and being a team player.
They are not good, if they waste time, waste resources, show up late/drunk/hung-over, or think they can re-invent the wheel with No experience.
No no, you misunderstand me. As with all business, if someone is not doing their job - fire them. If they are doing a great job - reward them. Those are life lessons and if you coddle unproductive employees they aren't learning anything.
Oh BTW forget about using manufacturing as a weighmarker. That isn't where the western world's jobs are going in the 21st century.
Oh BTW forget about using manufacturing as a weighmarker. That isn't where the western world's jobs are going in the 21st century.
I tend to agree with you, but here is the diff:Diode said:
It's not whether you manufacture buggy whips or blackberrys. Making blackberrys has nothing to do with an honest day's work of assembling a cell phone, those days are long gone.
It's about using your smarts to find the lowest cost, outsourced supplier in Asia at the acceptable quality level. For that you have to have flex hours, mobile technology, multi-tasking, life-cycle management.... A 55 year old traditional manager may not be cut out for that unless he had extensive training.
Right there with you Meister. A 55 yr old manager is usually the source of the problem in a company's growth if they are stuck in their old ways of thinking. My original point was that if you are in a business for 30 yrs you are almost out the door and someone new entering the workforce is going to bring something more to the table for the future of a company. The worst are the ones that retire and then come back into the same job as a contract worker and double dip. Good job if you can get it but as a business point of view - terrible waste of resources.
Ok ok, let me have it boys. I know I am going to get flamed from all the old guys now. IF they can figure out this whole new "hey they have the internet on computers now!" thing.
Ok ok, let me have it boys. I know I am going to get flamed from all the old guys now. IF they can figure out this whole new "hey they have the internet on computers now!" thing.
