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Shaquille Oatmeal

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Newsom has zero chance of ever becoming president.
Republicans will lose 2028 in my opinion.
Trump will create so much chaos in his 2nd term, that people will want a more moderate government in 2028.
Also Trump is pretty big shoes to fill and there aren't a lot of Republicans with his appeal in the MAGA movement.
The ones who are staunchly MAGA are all nutters like MTG.
 

mandrill

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There were nations looong before the French revolution. Ethopia formed as a nation around 10 centuary BC. It existed long before someone put pen to paper. Same with socilaism. When cavemen got together to keep the fire burning and get some sleep, that was socilism. Hunting parties.-socilaism.
Those nations were groups of tribes or ethnic groups ruled by a king.

The concept of the state as being associated and identified with a particular ethno-cultural grouping stems from the first part of the Nineteenth Century.
 

nottyboi

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Those nations were groups of tribes or ethnic groups ruled by a king.

The concept of the state as being associated and identified with a particular ethno-cultural grouping stems from the first part of the Nineteenth Century.
That was when the concept was identified, not created. By the time of the French revolution there were already major nations. (I said nation not nation state). Even the concept of national flags goes back to well centuaries BC. Look at the various tribes in Canada that consider theselves nations, they go back looong before white man even showed up in N. America.
 

PeterParker1000

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What sweeping changes has he accomplished?
Please explain?
A bunch of executive orders.
Many will be challenged in courts.
An executive order can be rescinded as fast as it is signed.
Many will be challenged but he is operating quickly. You see the landscape and political climate changing here based on how aggressive he is being.

DEI in government offices taken down.

National emergency in southern border. Deportation of illigals who committed criminal acts or with history already under way. I see ICE officers all over NYC already

Withdrawal form Paris climate agreement and WHO

Pardons for J6

You’re not here but you can feel the culture shifting around you here towards Trump.
People are just chanting Trump on NYC streets - which even for me is kinda bizarre
 

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Ghawar
Political sentiment in the collective west has been drifting
to the right. I don't see this trend is going to reverse in the
coming years. If it is a left-leaning politician who gets elected
like what transpired in the UK the newly elected leader will have
to moderate his or her liberal stance. I bet Gavin Newsom won't
likely be elected. The public has had enough of his climate change
garbage though it looks he can be pragmatic as well.

 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Many will be challenged but he is operating quickly. You see the landscape and political climate changing here based on how aggressive he is being.

DEI in government offices taken down.

National emergency in southern border. Deportation of illigals who committed criminal acts or with history already under way. I see ICE officers all over NYC already

Withdrawal form Paris climate agreement and WHO

Pardons for J6

You’re not here but you can feel the culture shifting around you here towards Trump.
People are just chanting Trump on NYC streets - which even for me is kinda bizarre
Deportations:
Deportations of illegals who commit crimes, were always ongoing.
This isn't new action by Trump although it is being presented in that way via photo ops.
I once again point to Biden deporting more than Trump did.
Obama deported even more than that. He was mocked as "deporter in chief".
Paris and WHO:
Don't see the benefit to the US other than saving some money.
It can always be rejoined as Biden did in 2021.
If there is another pandemic (unlikely) I do not think it would bode well under the current administration.
DEI
This one is for show.
I dont believe the federal government was diverse in the first place because I read that 61% of federal employees were white, with the senior executives being 76% white. 56% were men overall and 62% were men at the senior executive level.
I dont see this changing.
DEI has very little to do with hiring/firing.
Anti-discrimination laws already exist.
DEI at the federal level is just some mandatory anti-black racism training etc.
Yeah, that will go away now.
But it is essentially a solution looking for a problem.
This can come back in a renamed format in the future when the EO is rescinded.
For private companies, some may roll back their DEI programs, but some are holding fast.
I do not foresee the workplace and the schools being flooded with straight white men, just because DEI is rolled back because there is no way you can prove you hired any person for any of their racial, sexual orientation or gender characteristics anyway.
Pardons
That one is to stay.
Count it as a win and hope those that were pardoned do not return to their criminal ways.
Culture shift and hysteria
Yup, I call it MAGA hysteria.
I already said that this is MAGA at its peak.
It will slowly go down from here.
Usually there is a lot of noise during a Presidents first 100 days and then it peters out.
These shifts you observe are usually fickle.
 
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PeterParker1000

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Deportations:
Deportations of illegals who commit crimes, were always ongoing.
This isn't new action by Trump although it is being presented in that way via photo ops.
I once again point to Biden deporting more than Trump did.
Obama deported even more than that. He was mocked as "deporter in chief".
Paris and WHO:
Don't see the benefit to the US other than saving some money.
It can always be rejoined as Biden did in 2021.
If there is another pandemic (unlikely) I do not think it would bode well under the current administration.
DEI
This one is for show.
I dont believe the federal government had such a strong DEI program in the first place because I read that 61% of federal employees were white, with the senior executives being 76% white. 56% were men overall and 62% were men at the senior executive level.
I dont see this changing.
DEI at the federal level must have been some mandatory anti-black racism training.
Yeah, that will go away now.
This can come back in a renamed format in the future when the EO is rescinded.
For private companies, some may roll back their DEI programs, but some are holding fast.
I do not foresee the workplace and the schools being flooded with straight white men, just because DEI is rolled back.
Pardons
That one is to stay.
Count it as a win and hope those that were pardoned do not return to their criminal ways.
Culture shift and hysteria
Yup, I call it MAGA hysteria.
I already said that this is MAGA at its peak.
It will slowly go down from here.
Usually there is a lot of noise during a Presidents first 100 days and then it peters out.
These shifts you observe are usually fickle.
I understand your analysis. Your dislike of MAGA and Trump clouds your judgement. It wasn’t like this for the last four years. There is a clear cultural shift going on and the people who live in the United States feel it. There is no photo opp happening outside the few pictures you see on the news.

It is not like the first presidency. I remember the feeling.
It was a feeling of dread that white supremecists had hikacked America and a sense fear from broader population about the economy and national safety. There is none of that happening with the exception of the fear from the progressive crowd and some women I’ve spoken to (women in NYC really despise Trump after the abortion ruling). This isn’t a prognostication or defense of Trump. I wish I could articulate this better but I don’t know how to describe the shift to Trump I’m seeing. It’s kind of bizarre like I mentioned above. I’m just telling you what I see in an area that is mostly democrat.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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I understand your analysis. Your dislike of MAGA and Trump clouds your judgement. It wasn’t like this for the last four years. There is a clear cultural shift going on and the people who live in the United States feel it. There is no photo opp happening.

It is not like the first presidency. I remember the feeling.
It was a feeling of dread that white supremecists had hikacked America and fear from broader population. There is none of that happening with the exception of the progressive crowd. This isn’t a prognostication or defense of Trump. I’m just telling you what I see in a area that is mostly democrat.
But we just saw a photo op yesterday being posted when ICE deportations of criminals have always been happening.
And claims of drastic cultural shifts are from the MAGA side who think they have ended woke as a movement.
I don't think so.
What it has done is served as a wake up call to the Dems to focus on being more moderately progressive as they were during the Obama era, and not partake in the culture wars so much.
But the fear that white supremacists have hijacked America is very much justifiably alive today and has been for the last 10 years since Trump's entry into politics. Because they have.
This is being presented as some great cultural shift, but it will only result in more pushback. Newton's 3rd law and all that.
 

Butler1000

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What sweeping changes has he accomplished?
Please explain?
A bunch of executive orders.
Many will be challenged in courts.
An executive order can be rescinded as fast as it is signed.
I would say it is the public opinion switch on immigration. Go back ten years and look at the polling numbers. Today a majority now support mass deportation. That's a big shift. One piece of legislation just passed on this. I think more may follow. There is now bipartisan concensus.

But let's see in a year where things are on trade and foreign wars.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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I would say it is the public opinion switch on immigration. Go back ten years and look at the polling numbers. Today a majority now support mass deportation. That's a big shift. One piece of legislation just passed on this. I think more may follow. There is now bipartisan concensus.

But let's see in a year where things are on trade and foreign wars.
When there is economic difficulty, immigrants are always held responsible.
This has been the trend for the last 100+ years.
So this isn't a drastic and permanent shift as much as a predictable trend which will reverse and course correct on its own as the economy corrects itself.
Usually this happens every decade or so to varying degrees as economic slowdowns happen every decade or so.
 

Valcazar

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Governor Gavin Newsom has his critics, but there are no other viable candidates on the horizon.
What criteria are you using for "viable" here?

I agree completely that he is almost certainly going to run in the Democratic primaries and is likely to do well.
But why do you think there are no other viable candidates?
 
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nottyboi

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Deportations:
Deportations of illegals who commit crimes, were always ongoing.
This isn't new action by Trump although it is being presented in that way via photo ops.
I once again point to Biden deporting more than Trump did.
Obama deported even more than that. He was mocked as "deporter in chief".
Paris and WHO:
Don't see the benefit to the US other than saving some money.
It can always be rejoined as Biden did in 2021.
If there is another pandemic (unlikely) I do not think it would bode well under the current administration.
DEI
This one is for show.
I dont believe the federal government was diverse in the first place because I read that 61% of federal employees were white, with the senior executives being 76% white. 56% were men overall and 62% were men at the senior executive level.
I dont see this changing.
DEI has very little to do with hiring/firing.
Anti-discrimination laws already exist.
DEI at the federal level is just some mandatory anti-black racism training etc.
Yeah, that will go away now.
But it is essentially a solution looking for a problem.
This can come back in a renamed format in the future when the EO is rescinded.
For private companies, some may roll back their DEI programs, but some are holding fast.
I do not foresee the workplace and the schools being flooded with straight white men, just because DEI is rolled back because there is no way you can prove you hired any person for any of their racial, sexual orientation or gender characteristics anyway.
Pardons
That one is to stay.
Count it as a win and hope those that were pardoned do not return to their criminal ways.
Culture shift and hysteria
Yup, I call it MAGA hysteria.
I already said that this is MAGA at its peak.
It will slowly go down from here.
Usually there is a lot of noise during a Presidents first 100 days and then it peters out.
These shifts you observe are usually fickle.
With the USA leaving Paris and the WHO, it allows others to take over them like China. The USA has over extended itself and I think the Trump admin realizes that.
 
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