Garbage Strike - Give Me a Break

[blackrock13]

Of course it has to be paid for. That is called economic justice when you move money from the undeserving rich to the hard working poor. The alternative is living like the USA and sinking with them.

This comment might carry more weight if you hadn't made $180,000/yr. You're one of those rich folk.

Anybody remember what the Prime Minister takes home in this wonderful land of ours?

 

[wantoplay]

The rest are free riding on excess Toronto, Vancouver revenue

NOT!! The country could survive just fine without Toronot. It does NOT revolve around TO!!

 

[Mrbig1949]

The major cities contribute far more to government that they get back

NOT!! The country could survive just fine without Toronot. It does NOT revolve around TO!!

Everybody else gets far more from gvernment than they paid for. The biggest cities are carrying the freight. This is not really up for debate just a fact.

 

[Mrbig1949]

That is why I didn't mind paying my takes

This comment might carry more weight if you hadn't made $180,000/yr. You're one of those rich folk.

Anybody remember what the Prime Minister takes home in this wonderful land of ours?

Which I said from the start. It is you that just doesn't get it. A dollar in the government's hand is much more efficiently spent than a dollar in your hand.

 

[wackyweasel]

Of course it has to be paid for. That is called economic justice when you move money from the undeserving rich to the hard working poor. The alternative is living like the USA and sinking with them.

Fuck you!! Moving money from undeserving rich to hard working poor??? Throwing garbage into the back of a truck is not hard working nor are you poor. Go to school for 40hrs week and work 44hrs a week to pay for that education and then come home and take care of your family and do homework to get ahead in life and then you can say you are hard working. Hiding behind a union because your grade 10 education can't get you any other job is just bullshit. Vote Miller out of office privatize garbage collection and put these ignorant union assholes out of a job so they understand how the real world works. Fucking Union losers

 

[blackrock13]

Windsor strike officially over, Local ratifies agreement. No details on what was contained in the agreement.

 

[wackyweasel]

Which I said from the start. It is you that just doesn't get it. A dollar in the government's hand is much more efficiently spent than a dollar in your hand.

A dollar in any government's hands (federal, provincial, municipal or in different systems of government) is NEVER!!!! more efficient than a dollar in a consumers hands. I could write a book on why you are wrong however I will try to keep it short. In a democracy a government wants your vote and will spend that dollar plus fifty cents for $1.50 to get your vote. The consumer however will make decisions within their budget. Governments will run up huge defecits and make promises because they need to try to win the vote of the majority. The consumer will make only make decisions based on their own needs and therefore choose within their budget (and yes many people are not smart and run up huge debt that is their fault). Yes government is needed we all need roads, schools, hospitals etc etc etc. HOWEVER NEVER LET THE GOVERNMENT TAX YOU AND SPEND YOUR MONEY IF IT IS NOT NECCESSARY!!!

AND SPENDING MONEY ON UNION LABOUR GARBAGE COLLECTION WHEN THE PRIVATE SECTOR IS MORE EFFICENT IS NOT NECESSARY!!!!!!!

PRIVATIZE GARBAGE COLLECTION AND PUT THESE IGNORANT UNION ASSHOLES OUT OF A JOB INTO THE REAL WORLD!!!

 

[JohnLarue]

Which I said from the start. It is you that just doesn't get it. A dollar in the government's hand is much more efficiently spent than a dollar in your hand.

That is ABSOLUTELY false
Holy fuck! I have never ever heard anyone make such a blatantly stupid claim.
Even WoodPeker would not be so arrogant to think we are stupid enough to believe that.

I dare you to prove that pile of horse shit.
Any argument you put forth, I can discredit
Yeah thats right, this is altogether a different level of shit your shoveling now

Govts
a) over pay
b) hire too many
c) spend too much on consumables
d) build shit that is not essential right now
e) have costly elections to fight over who gets to spend our $
.
.
.
.
.
.
zz) I could go on and on

It is conventional knowledge that the governments are GROSSLY less efficient than the private sector.
It also conventional knowledge that companies who can land govt contracts can soak them (But I guess YOU know that all too well).

 

[blackrock13]

Reports say Windsor local settled for less than 7% over 4 years plus $2900 lump sum payment, for certain, and new hires loose certain retirement benefits, (unclear because of mixed reports).

Let me see; 7% over 4 years is less than 1.8% per year and the loss of 14 weeks salary less $2000. A precedence is set and if that happens here in TO there 'll be a lynching at the CUPE office. Someone in a city with a 14% unemployment rate got it finally.

Let's hope it's catching.

 

[JohnLarue]

Of course it has to be paid for. That is called economic justice when you move money from the undeserving rich to the hard working poor. The alternative is living like the USA and sinking with them.

Economic justice????

Most of the rich I know are extremely hard working, putting in 70-80 hours per week & then some on the weekends
How the fuck do you think they got to be rich?

They also take risks with their capital & hire people
They are the primary driver of job creation, you take their money away and you can kiss hundreds of thousands of jobs goodbye

As for the hard working poor.
Come on!!
I cant remember the last time I heard "boy you should see those union workers go, they are so efficient"
Poor? Not at $28 /hr they are not

Thats communism your describing & we want none of that
Sorry the Russians tried this for seventy years & it did not turn out so well.

 

[JohnLarue]

Now you know how the rest of the country feels every time Toronto thinks they can buy crap and the rest of the province/country gets to pay for it!!

I am in agreement with you
Why should some guy making $15 hr in Salmon Arm BC have any of his tax dollars go to wards paying for a City of Toronto Garbage Collector's banked up sick days?

 

[JohnLarue]

The rest are free riding on excess Toronto, Vancouver revenue

There is a lot of corporate tax generated in those cities.

However if you & the unions had your way, corporate profits and then corporate taxes would disappear pretty quick.
Can you say General Motors?

Alberta has until just recently contributed a huge amount to-wards government coffers.
This was the end result of an abundance of raw materials and entrepreneurs willing to risk their capital.
Oh yes, there is a "Unions not Welcome" sign at the provincial border


Question for you
Do you give any thought to what you write?

 

[Mrbig1949]

They don't you dufus

I am in agreement with you
Why should some guy making $15 hr in Salmon Arm BC have any of his tax dollars go to wards paying for a City of Toronto Garbage Collector's banked up sick days?

There is a NET outflow of TAX money from the major cities to the rest of the country, Ask Fuji if you don't trust me, he has a clue about finance from time to time. The wealth producing parts of Canada are the CITIES

 

[Mrbig1949]

You are just not very bright LaRue

There is a lot of corporate tax generated in those cities.

However if you & the unions had your way, corporate profits and then corporate taxes would disappear pretty quick.
Can you say General Motors?

Alberta has until just recently contributed a huge amount to-wards government coffers.
This was the end result of an abundance of raw materials and entrepreneurs willing to risk their capital.
Oh yes, there is a "Unions not Welcome" sign at the provincial border


Question for you
Do you give any thought to what you write?

But you try to talk as if you are which can be dangerous. Your thnking is so far behind the times you make Fuji look forwrd thinking.

 

[Mrbig1949]

Try this yourself stupid

That is ABSOLUTELY false
Holy fuck! I have never ever heard anyone make such a blatantly stupid claim.
Even WoodPeker would not be so arrogant to think we are stupid enough to believe that.

I dare you to prove that pile of horse shit.
Any argument you put forth, I can discredit
Yeah thats right, this is altogether a different level of shit your shoveling now

Govts
a) over pay
b) hire too many
c) spend too much on consumables
d) build shit that is not essential right now
e) have costly elections to fight over who gets to spend our $
.
.
.
.
.
.
zz) I could go on and on

It is conventional knowledge that the governments are GROSSLY less efficient than the private sector.
It also conventional knowledge that companies who can land govt contracts can soak them (But I guess YOU know that all too well).

Lets all keep our own money and buy health care ourselves. See how inefficient that is, got your own MRI there Larue, got your own CAT scan?

Lets all keep our own money and skip public education, we can all have our own school in the kitchen, how is your gym Larue, got a good science lab over there?

Lets all keep our own money and build our own roads. How is your road coming along LaRue?

How about the environment Larue, who needs enforcement officers or meat inspectors, we can look after that ourselves, got the swine flu yet Larue?

How about an army? Do we really need one or should we all just protect ourselves?

Police force and fire department Larue or you want to look after your place with your own gun and the garden hose? How is that working for you?

Did I hear someone say it would be a lot more efficient if we had a government to collect what we need from us and do these things collectively?
Oh yea, that would be the government being far more efficient with our money than we could ever be.

How about that American health care system eh? A paragon of efficiencey, they pay far more and get far less than Canada who has the government to do it far more efficiently.

Works for me, and so you see, the stupid think they can spend money more efficiently than the government, that is why J.S. Mills called the Conservatives the Stupid Party.

I rest my case, your witness dufus.

 

[wantoplay]

Everybody else gets far more from gvernment than they paid for. The biggest cities are carrying the freight. This is not really up for debate just a fact.

You need to check agaim, as you are wrong!! Since the malority of the country DOES NOT live in big cities.

 

[Mrbig1949]

God are you stupid

This is getting really scary. If Mr. Big's comments are representative of union thinking, it explains the impasse that we are at today. It is not only delusional, it is counter-productive to advancing society.

As for your last post, you equate organized labour with government. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU SMOKING?

Last time I checked, there are three major political parties in Canada, one of which is not socialist.

As for the greatness of communism (your true colours show when you say crap like redistributing wealth from the "undeserving rich to the hardworking poor"), I'm sure you've noticed how well that little experiment worked out. Indeed, the only place where it has "worked" is one which has adopted capitalism (China, eh?).

Undeserving rich to the hard-working poor? Sheesh. Basically, you want what "they've got", but without working for it either!

The whole point was in responce to Larue's assertion that it is more efficient for people to spend their own money than to have government do it more efficiently. Of course for reasons of economies of scale and fairness gov't is much more efficient. Of course every progressive is used to McCarthyite Red baiting for progressive policies, yes most Canadians are in favour of the socialist policies of medicare, public schools, public libraries, public roads, public transit, environmental protection by gov,t, pensions, of course this is all the socialism which you object to along with progressive taxation. This socialism is pretty popular stuff, even USA is moving in this direction slowly with health care.

Unions of course are a major part of that progressive politics that moves money from the idle rich to the more productive part of society the hard working blue collar working class.

 

[Mrbig1949]

It doesn't matter stupid, where the majority live

You need to check agaim, as you are wrong!! Since the malority of the country DOES NOT live in big cities.

And in fact the majority does live in cities, the big ones are the major wealth producers, they put far more into the gov't in taxes than they get back in services. The small towns and rural areas get back in services far more than they pay in taxes. These are facts you idiot widely acknowledged by everybody with a clue.

 

[JohnLarue]

The whole point was in responce to Larue's assertion that it is more efficient for people to spend their own money than to have government do it more efficiently. Of course for reasons of economies of scale and fairness gov't is much more efficient. .

Sorry, but your commie theories just do not do work in real life.
This garbage strike is a perfect example.
The government has allowed itself to become involved with a group of unions who do not work, yet cost us millions.
The tax bills still keep coming, but the trash remains uncollected.
When they are not on strike government employees are over-paid and under worked
Recall the story of the Quebec postman who had hundreds of undelivered mail bags in his home, He was just too lazy to do his job.
That would never happen in the private sector. A union environment breeds such abuse
How about the gun registry?
The sponsor-ship scandal?
And thats efficient?

They have allowed delusional self-serving nut-job commies like you to influence policy and better one group at the expense of all others.

As for health care, I will warn you now, the cost pressures in this sector are soon going to break our Canadian system down.
We are already seeing governments struggle with the costs, the quality of service decline and an ever increasing number of services with a user pay addition.

Since you hold health care in such high regard, would it not make more sense to allocate more of our tax-dollars to that sector, rather than to garbage collectors?

In your world you say both should get more.
This is where you are absolutely wrong.
You can not incrementally increase taxes forever.
There is a point where excess taxation retards economic growth and job creation.
Especially if you tax the rich

 

[Mrbig1949]

Your incoherent right wing ramblings are hard to follow

Sorry, but your commie theories just do not do work in real life.
This garbage strike is a perfect example.
The government has allowed itself to become involved with a group of unions who do not work, yet cost us millions.
The tax bills still keep coming, but the trash remains uncollected.
When they are not on strike government employees are over-paid and under worked
Recall the story of the Quebec postman who had hundreds of undelivered mail bags in his home, He was just too lazy to do his job.
That would never happen in the private sector. A union environment breeds such abuse
How about the gun registry?
The sponsor-ship scandal?
And thats efficient?

They have allowed delusional self-serving nut-job commies like you to influence policy and better one group at the expense of all others.

As for health care, I will warn you now, the cost pressures in this sector are soon going to break our Canadian system down.
We are already seeing governments struggle with the costs, the quality of service decline and an ever increasing number of services with a user pay addition.

Since you hold health care in such high regard, would it not make more sense to allocate more of our tax-dollars to that sector, rather than to garbage collectors?

In your world you say both should get more.
This is where you are absolutely wrong.
You can not incrementally increase taxes forever.
There is a point where excess taxation retards economic growth and job creation.
Especially if you tax the rich

Because you are all over the place.

Workers are lazy this is simply your opinion not widely held, somehow the lazy bastards get all the garbage picked up when they are not on strike.

One mailman is the stand in for them all come on this anacdotal crap is just that the mail service is highly efficient due to its workers. Who is the stand in for capitalism? Bernie Madoff, World Com, all the other fast buck artists?

Can't increase taxes? Guys like you have been saying that for decades, it doesn't matter it is what you get back that matters, case in point Sweden as usual.

Health system the USA is slowly moving in our direction. Finally joining the efficiency crowd but not yet in the highly efficient single payer gov't group.

You are repeating cliches LaRue, Wizard of Oz man behind the curtain stuff, there is no substance just a string of rhetorical cliches.

Like Willie the Coyote chasing the road runner you have run off the cliff, don't look down.