Garbage Strike - Give Me a Break

[blackrock13]

With all unions working for the city receiving the same increase, not the same wage dufus, the same increase as a percentage why would CUPE not assume that fair is fair.

Again just because it's been done in the past doesn't mean it has to be done.

 

[JohnLarue]

Again just because it's been done in the past doesn't mean it has to be done.

Mr.Big(Hypocrite) is running out of slogans and other tricks of his con game, so he is repeating them over and over again.

 

[wantoplay]

The Garbage Guys Have To Give Up On The Desire For Cumulative Sick Time.

But The People Of Toronto Also Have To Stop Whining.

For Gawds Sakes..i Live In A Place Where We Put A Certain Number Of Bags Out Every Two Weeks!!!

I Have Missed That One Week Before And Found Myself Collecting Garbage For Four Weeks. It Is Not That Bad!!

The Media Loves To Stir Up Conflict. Relax Folks!!

The only way they should have to give it up is if everyone else with it gives it up at the same time.

I agree. Torontonians need to quit their whining and take responsibility for their own garbage, not take the typical Toronto not in my back yard attitude.

 

[blackrock13]

The only way they should have to give it up is if everyone else with it gives it up at the same time.

I agree. Torontonians need to quit their whining and take responsibility for their own garbage, not take the typical Toronto not in my back yard attitude.

The problem is that not everyone of the contract have the same date for them to finish. If you mean lose the perks as they come up for renewal, fine.

 

[Mrbig1949]

Take a look at history my friend

Provide the best conditions and best wages...but not get rich? Do you even read the contradictory drivel that you spout?

So let me see if I have your position correct: It is the right thing to do for public sector employers to provide best-in-class wages, benefits, job security, pensions, etc? How do you answer the issue of worker demotivation and poor productivity (i.e., laziness in a cushy job)?

You say that unrestricted capitalism is not good because private business can really muck things up. Why - because of an unbridled passion for money?

Guess what? "Greed" can also be a word to describe labour demands.....

Every time business gets full control of the economy we are in the ditch very soon. Deep recession if we are lucky, depression if we are not.

 

[blackrock13]

Every time business gets full control of the economy we are in the ditch very soon. Deep recession if we are lucky, depression if we are not.

Ok, name 3 occasions where this happened since thee Spanish inquisition.

 

[blackrock13]

Just caught the mayor on CP24 and it was nothing special except what ever horse tranc he was on I want some. Compared to the other press conference I saw him on, he was calm and gathered nicely. I didn't learn anything new.

 

[fuji]

Every time business gets full control of the economy we are in the ditch very soon. Deep recession if we are lucky, depression if we are not.

Every case in history where someone OTHER than business got control of the country it was worse.

Which was better? Maoism? Nazism? Stalinism? Monarchy? Theocracy?

I'll take our system any day.

By the way, the Swedes believe in capitalism too, and contract out their garbage collection.

 

[Rockslinger]

The city and other public employers (school boards, hospitals, the province universities colleges) have a responsibility to act as model employers, to always have the best conditions, the best wages for similar work, not necessarily by a lot but by a noticable amount, in order to push private employers to clean up their act and get with the program.

The big problem with the above theory is that it is the PRIVATE sector that is forced to fund all these perks for the public "servants".

 

[Mrbig1949]

So What

The big problem with the above theory is that it is the PRIVATE sector that is forced to fund all these perks for the public "servants".

This is still excellent public policy

 

[fuji]

This is still excellent public policy

It can be, but not if you overpay for it.

 

[Rockslinger]

This is still excellent public policy

Hey, maybe we can make everything PUBLIC sector and we can pay ourselves $1 or $2 million annual salaries with 25 weeks vacation .

 

[JohnLarue]

Or lower the trajectory, to wards the extortionists
I would pay to watch that

 

[blackrock13]

The city and other public employers (school boards, hospitals, the province universities colleges) have a responsibility to act as model employers, to always have the best conditions, the best wages for similar work, not necessarily by a lot but by a noticable amount, in order to push private employers to clean up their act and get with the program.

The down side of working in the public sector is that you will never get rich but the up side is you will never be poor and you will have relative job security.

There is a clear public policy objective here the same as the roll of EI, welfare, minimum wages, H&S all to stop the private market from having too much control over the standard of living. When the private sector has too much control, incomes polarize and a great deal of instability is created which ironically is bad for business. In extreme cases it creates revolutionary conditions. Witness Europe in the 1930s. The wages in the public sector are purchasing power that translates into demand thus fueling the private economy especially when the private economy is incapable of doing this on its own.

"History clearly shows that when you give the keys to the family car to the private sector and don't come along for the ride with regulation and the policies above, they have pretty soon put the car in the ditch and the public sector has to bail them out again just a Roosevelt had to do in the thirties.Stimulus plan anyone? Thanks so much Wall Street."

You just can't trust the private sector alone with control of the economy and thus society in general. The are a dynamic wealth producer but a poor wealth distributor. You are just up against history here guys. I am declaring a victory at this point because I have so clearly won the debate right Fuji? Right Larue? Right Blackrock? I am going home to sleep with the Championship belt at this point.

Two days ago you gave one of your infamous rant then hide moves. You were challenged by me on a point and asked to give three examples, as anyone with a rudimentary understanding of history would be able to give one, but three, that would at least show the trend you went on about.

Instead of answering the challenge, you went into silent mode. This meant you had nothing to back your statement, you needed time do dig up the facts or you didn't feel it was worthy of a response.

So which one is the answer?

 

[JohnLarue]

Don't bother with that guy
Any response would be filled with more BS & union hall rhetoric
Your never ever going to get him to admit to the damage his cause is doing to our economy or how overwhelmingly wrong their position is
He is the Canadian version of WoodPeker.

 

[blackrock13]

Don't bother with that guy
Any response would be filled with more BS & union hall rhetoric
Your never ever going to get him to admit to the damage his cause is doing to our economy or how overwhelmingly wrong their position is
He is the Canadian version of WoodPeker.

Yes, but we needs people like him to stick around and state their case so they we have clear idea what the union auto-matrons are thinking. Just like my stand on unions; don't get rid of them so we are reminded how bad things can get.

His silence says loads. Maybe he's on another fact finding trip to union halls across America or better yet, on the picket line in this wonderful weather.

 

[Mrbig1949]

?????

Two days ago you gave one of your infamous rant then hide moves. You were challenged by me on a point and asked to give three examples, as anyone with a rudimentary understanding of history would be able to give one, but three, that would at least show the trend you went on about.

Instead of answering the challenge, you went into silent mode. This meant you had nothing to back your statement, you needed time do dig up the facts or you didn't feel it was worthy of a response.

So which one is the answer?

Rant and hide? Some people are actually busy you know. You are not the fucking teacher here pal and you don't set the test, I don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

Three examples of where the private sector running free put the economy in the ditch? The late 19th century so called guilded age of robber barons result depression, late 1920s capital runs wild unregulated, result Great Depression, 2008-2009, deregulated privatized capital runs wild again with derivatives, hedge funds, bundled high risk mortgages result our present circumstances. Almost a scientific certainty, too much freedom for free enterprise ends up in deep recession/depression. Need another history lesson teach? Any time.

 

[The Bandit]

I drove by the picketers on Disco Road tonight, I felt like yelling "get back to work you lazy Union bums".

 

[The Bandit]

The city and other public employers (school boards, hospitals, the province universities colleges) have a responsibility to act as model employers, to always have the best conditions, the best wages for similar work, not necessarily by a lot but by a noticable amount, in order to push private employers to clean up their act and get with the program.

The down side of working in the public sector is that you will never get rich but the up side is you will never be poor and you will have relative job security.

There is a clear public policy objective here the same as the roll of EI, welfare, minimum wages, H&S all to stop the private market from having too much control over the standard of living. When the private sector has too much control, incomes polarize and a great deal of instability is created which ironically is bad for business. In extreme cases it creates revolutionary conditions. Witness Europe in the 1930s. The wages in the public sector are purchasing power that translates into demand thus fueling the private economy especially when the private economy is incapable of doing this on its own.

History clearly shows that when you give the keys to the family car to the private sector and don't come along for the ride with regulation and the policies above, they have pretty soon put the car in the ditch and the public sector has to bail them out again just a Roosevelt had to do in the thirties.Stimulus plan anyone? Thanks so much Wall Street.

You just can't trust the private sector alone with control of the economy and thus society in general. The are a dynamic wealth producer but a poor wealth distributor. You are just up against history here guys. I am declaring a victory at this point because I have so clearly won the debate right Fuji? Right Larue? Right Blackrock? I am going home to sleep with the Championship belt at this point.

Keep living under your rock, Unions put companies out of business with their arrogant, strong-arm demands and tactics. Don't tell me I don't know, I was a member of Teamsters 419 for 12 and a half years. I would've got money with my strong work ethic, I didn't need the Union, all Unions do is protect shit disturbers who don't want to work. You pay them 2 hours of wages a month, and they do f' all for you.

 

[Mrbig1949]

You are so fucking nieve you can't be saved

Keep living under your rock, Unions put companies out of business with their arrogant, strong-arm demands and tactics. Don't tell me I don't know, I was a member of Teamsters 419 for 12 and a half years. I would've got money with my strong work ethic, I didn't need the Union, all Unions do is protect shit disturbers who don't want to work. You pay them 2 hours of wages a month, and they do f' all for you.

You think they would pay you shit without the union, I was also a member of the Teamsters for 5 years. Great union today now that the gangsters have been driven out. Yeh you could have made it on your own. Oh look here comes the tooth fairy!