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Gaetz Vows It's 'Only The Beginning' After Hawks Kill Bill To End Occupation Of Syria

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Gaetz Vows It's 'Only The Beginning' After Hawks Kill Bill To End Occupation Of Syria

THURSDAY, MAR 09, 2023 - 01:40 PM
Rep. Matt Gaetz's War Powers Resolution geared toward getting the US out of Syria was voted down in the House on Wednesday, an outcome which was expected by most, but what's interesting is what the numbers show in terms of steadily growing momentum to end American occupation of yet another Middle East country. Gaetz's resolution would have forced President Biden to withdraw all US troops from Syria within 180 days. It failed failed in a vote of 103-321, with 56 Democrats and 47 Republicans voting in favor of the bill.
The vote the roll call is here. What's most interesting is the surprisingly high number of Democrats in Gaetz's corner on this rare effort to end the occupation of Syria, which has been on for at least a half-decade. Very noticeably, more Democrats than Republicans voted in favor. But the hawks teamed up in a bipartisan manner on the other side of the vote, ultimately prevailing.
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While recent Congressional efforts to reign in deepening US involvement in the Russia-Ukraine war has been much more across the board in favor of 'staying the course', this vote on Syria is promising despite its failing. It shows a steadily growing bipartisan move to curtail Washington's unaccountable foreign intervention and meddling abroad.
Gaetz said his work to end these forever wars has "only just begun":
"There is no role for the United States of America in Syria. We are not a Middle Eastern power. We have tried to build a democracy out of sand, blood, and Arab militias. Time and again, the work we do does not reduce chaos. Oftentimes, it causes chaos – the very chaos that then subsequently leads to terrorism. While today’s vote may have failed, my fight to end forever wars and bring our troops home has only just begun."
"Syria is my lead-off hitter. We’re going to take a trip around the globe. We may go to Yemen, we may have stops in Niger, we may have stops in Sudan, maybe ultimately, we’ll end in Ukraine," Gaetz said.
The resolution was cosponsored four other Republicans: Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA), Andy Biggs (R-AZ), Paul Gosar (R-AZ), and Matt Rosendale (R-MT).
Some progressive Democrats voted in favor, including Reps. Ilhan Omar (D-MN), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), Rashida Tlaib (D-MI), and Ro Khanna (D-CA). This suggests some of these progressive voices could also eventually be swayed on the topic of Ukraine.

If "Syria fatigue" became evident long ago, and political cracks in supporting an endless occupation are clearly showing, then "Ukraine fatigue" too is likely to grow and take hold next, even within the D.C. beltway.
 

basketcase

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Speaking of actual occupation of Syria, any comment on Turkey using the war as an excuse to take Kurdish areas from Syria?
 

danmand

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Speaking of actual occupation of Syria, any comment on Turkey using the war as an excuse to take Kurdish areas from Syria?
So, you claim that there are no American military occupation in Syria? Do you also deny that Israel is bombing Syria?

While we are at it, are you also denying that Michael Ben-Yair, former AG of Israel, and former acting judge on the supreme Court called Israel an Apartheid state?
 

danmand

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USA occupies a larger territory of Syria than Russia occupies of Ukraine.
 

basketcase

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So, you claim that there are no American military occupation in Syria? Do you also deny that Israel is bombing Syria?
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Yes. There is no American occupation.

There are American troops working with ant-Assad groups, primarily Kurds but there is no formal occupation the way Turkey has formally occupied a stretch of northern Syria as part of it's oppression of Kurdish people.


And yes, it is telling that you don't have a negative thing to say about Turkey's occupation or systemic discrimination against Kurds but would rather make this about Israel.
 

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And yes, it is telling that you don't have a negative thing to say about Turkey's occupation or systemic discrimination against Kurds but would rather make this about Israel.
Unfortunately Syria can no longer receive earthquake relief aid as the main airport has been shut down.

But it wasn't Turkey.
 

danmand

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Yes. There is no American occupation.
103 members of the USA congress thinks so: "US Congressman introduces legislation to end Syria occupation".
 

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103 members of the USA congress thinks so: "US Congressman introduces legislation to end Syria occupation".
Not really. The bill says nothing about occupation.

Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring), That, pursuant to section 5(c) of the War Powers Resolution (50 U.S.C. 1544(c)), Congress directs the President to remove the United States Armed Forces from Syria by not later than the date that is 180 days after the date of the adoption of this concurrent resolution.
That's the whole text.

Calling it an occupation is either the article writer or maybe Gaetz himself in his rhetoric.

But you can't point to the headline and say it proves everyone considers it an occupation.
 

bver_hunter

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Wow just 900 USA soldiers are "occupying" Syria since 2015. What a "threat" to that region!! :rolleyes:

Gaetz could have tabled that motion when his cult leader called Trumpty Dumpty was the President. Why was he so hush hush during that era when it came to foreign policies?
Especially when Trump threw the Kurds under the bus after they were on the front line to defeat ISIS and then left to be fodder from the predator called Erdogan!!
 

danmand

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Not really. The bill says nothing about occupation.



That's the whole text.

Calling it an occupation is either the article writer or maybe Gaetz himself in his rhetoric.

But you can't point to the headline and say it proves everyone considers it an occupation.
The Webster dictionary defined occupation as
"the holding and control of an area by a foreign military force"

Trump was boasting that USA is stealing the oil from Syria.

You are welcome to call it something else, most people consider it an occupation of that part of Syria.
 

mandrill

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The Webster dictionary defined occupation as
"the holding and control of an area by a foreign military force"

Trump was boasting that USA is stealing the oil from Syria.

You are welcome to call it something else, most people consider it an occupation of that part of Syria.
Danny, there are probably a few thousand US troops on various NATO duties in Canada. Are we occupied by the States?
 

danmand

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Danny, there are probably a few thousand US troops on various NATO duties in Canada. Are we occupied by the States?
Sure, the Americans in Syria are just tourists.

You are fucked, my friend.
 
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Sure, the Americans in Syria are just tourists.

You are fucked, my friend.
I didn't say they were tourists, Dandy. Read my post.

Last time I read about them, they were directing carrier air strikes against Wagner Group and drone strikes against people America doesn't like. But 900 service-persons isn't a lot. That's 1 or 2 bases. Given that the USN probably docks in Syrian ports, most of that 900 are likely USN shore personnel.

It's not an occupation, is it?

The Russians have likely 10 or 20 times the # of troops in Syria.
 
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