G&M - McKenna pleads for pipeline "truce" as climate plan collapses

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This is pretty amusing. Climate Minister Catherine McKenna is pleading for B.C. and Alberta to reach a "truce" in their pipeline dispute as the fight against carbon pricing continues to grow.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/pol...r-catherine-mckenna-says-pipeline-fight-puts/

For those keeping track, Ottawa is currently fighting to various degrees with B.C., Alberta, Manitoba, New Brunswick and Nova Scotia. And you can add Ontario to that list if the Ontario Conservatives are elected in June.

Funny, that. It appears growing numbers of Canadians don't want to pay higher taxes for "useless virtue-signalling."

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-coming-carbon-tax-showdown/

Who would have guessed?
 
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If the Fed Libs bring in a carbon tax it will become a major issue next election.

A GST type one.
 
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Well, duh! The carbon pricing will hit the wallets of everyone and will hurt the middle class and the poor the hardest. You don't need a degree in climatology to predict that.
 
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jcpro said:
Well, duh! The carbon pricing will hit the wallets of everyone and will hurt the middle class and the poor the hardest. You don't need a degree in climatology to predict that.
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And will solve absolutely nothing while doing so,...

But there still is a chance the Fiberals can come up with a tax that destroys the economy,... oh shit,...
 
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jcpro said:
Well, duh! The carbon pricing will hit the wallets of everyone and will hurt the middle class and the poor the hardest. You don't need a degree in climatology to predict that.
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An even bigger issue is the flight of business / economic activity to the states where they will not be hit with the carbon tax.
It is already happening in Alberta

Canadian drillers moving rigs south to chase brighter prospects in U.S. oilfields
Observers say it's unlikely drills moved to the U.S. will ever return home
http://business.financialpost.com/c...-to-chase-better-prospects-in-texas-oilfields


Oil and gas investors are avoiding Alberta, all because of government policies
http://business.financialpost.com/o...ng-alberta-all-because-of-government-policies

Justin may wind up residing over the biggest "Canadian Made" recession in our history, but he will sleep well as he took a leadership position.
Meanwhile without the US or China on board, Canada contribution to fight climate change is a rounding error.
 
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JohnLarue said:
Meanwhile without the US or China on board, Canada contribution to fight climate change is a rounding error.
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Actually, "rounding error" grossly overstates the impact of Canada's carbon reductions.

But it may not matter. I have a feeling carbon pricing is about to become the next bit ticket item on Trudeau's list of broken promises.
 
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JohnLarue said:
An even bigger issue is the flight of business / economic activity to the states where they will not be hit with the carbon tax.
It is already happening in Alberta
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Check globally, more investment now goes into green energy.
We'll be on fossil fuels for a decade or so, but we're definitely moving off of them.
Globally.

'Course you can always go with Trump and back coal, clean coal.
Typical old man thinking.
 
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Frankfooter said:
Check globally, more investment now goes into green energy.
We'll be on fossil fuels for a decade or so, but we're definitely moving off of them.
Globally.

'Course you can always go with Trump and back coal, clean coal.
Typical old man thinking.
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No one has an issue with promotion of green energy.

Everyone has an issue with a fake tax grab revenue generator known as a carbon tax.

That's the difference.

Even Wynne said as much when she said if there was no carbon tax the govt would have to pay people off. That told the public right there it was never about climate change.
 
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Frankfooter said:
Nobody?
How about half the country.
http://calgaryherald.com/business/energy/majority-of-canadians-back-federal-carbon-price-plan-poll
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The Major Oil Companies are already gouging the Canadians at the pumps, with overpriced oil. But that seems acceptable to the right wing if the oil companies fix the prices, there is no real competition at the pumps. When the price at the pumps was around 70-80 cents a litre then the Canadians favoured a carbon Tax. But the Oil Companies have managed to implement that increase for their own benefit. That is why less Canadians are now in favour of such a tax. With prices at the pump around $1.27 but the price of oil at barely $64 a barrel, can we blame the Canadians for being concerned at the skyrocketing prices at the pumps that could be exacerbated with a carbon tax?
 
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bver_hunter said:
The Major Oil Companies are already gouging the Canadians at the pumps, with overpriced oil. But that seems acceptable to the right wing if the oil companies fix the prices, there is no real competition at the pumps. When the price at the pumps was around 70-80 cents a litre then the Canadians favoured a carbon Tax. But the Oil Companies have managed to implement that increase for their own benefit. That is why less Canadians are now in favour of such a tax. With prices at the pump around $1.27 but the price of oil at barely $64 a barrel, can we blame the Canadians for being concerned at the skyrocketing prices at the pumps that could be exacerbated with a carbon tax?
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Actually, the trend in Canada is pretty consistent with what we've seen throughout the world: People will tell pollsters they're willing to pay to help "fight climate change," but change their minds when they actually get hit with the costs.

The same trend has been seen in Europe and the U.S. When people really start to think about it, they legitimately doubt that higher taxes will do anything to change the planet.

And they're right. They won't.
 
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Moviefan-2 said:
Actually, the trend in Canada is pretty consistent with what we've seen throughout the world: People will tell pollsters they're willing to pay to help "fight climate change," but change their minds when they actually get hit with the costs.

The same trend has been seen in Europe and the U.S. When people really start to think about it, they legitimately doubt that higher taxes will do anything to change the planet.

And they're right. They won't.
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Well it will speed up the transition to less greenhouse emission forms of transport like electric cars. This is what the majority of those who were in favour of the carbon taxes were hoping that such a tax would accelerate that transition in the short term.
 
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bver_hunter said:
The Major Oil Companies are already gouging the Canadians at the pumps, with overpriced oil. But that seems acceptable to the right wing if the oil companies fix the prices, there is no real competition at the pumps. When the price at the pumps was around 70-80 cents a litre then the Canadians favoured a carbon Tax. But the Oil Companies have managed to implement that increase for their own benefit. That is why less Canadians are now in favour of such a tax. With prices at the pump around $1.27 but the price of oil at barely $64 a barrel, can we blame the Canadians for being concerned at the skyrocketing prices at the pumps that could be exacerbated with a carbon tax?
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How much of that oil price is taxes already?

Its just a different name for more revenue into the general coffers.

Happened with the GST as well.
 
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bver_hunter said:
Well it will speed up the transition to less greenhouse emission forms of transport like electric cars. This is what the majority of those who were in favour of the carbon taxes were hoping that such a tax would accelerate that transition in the short term.
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No it doesn't. Because Wynne admitted it will go into the general budget to pay for salaries.
 
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Moviefan-2 said:
Apparently not. Global emissions of man-made CO2 hit a record high last year.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/22/global-co2-emissions-hit-record-high/
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Blame it on the man that decided to cancel the whole program in the nation that is one of the biggest emitters of CO2. He is also cancelling many of the laws that restrict these emissions, so what message does he send to the industries that are causing these emissions? The USA can be one of the driving forces of moving towards green energy but it has taken ten steps back as the President is not interested in it.
 
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Butler1000 said:
How much of that oil price is taxes already?

Its just a different name for more revenue into the general coffers.

Happened with the GST as well.
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Who introduced the GST? Yes, oil taxes have been implemented by all Governments whether Liberal or Conservative.
 
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