True. They do reduce the risk, (good household transmission studies have shown reduction in transmission/ infection) but especially with omicron, not close to eliminating the risk.
Futility of Repeated Jabs?
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Not if you want to control outbreaks and get to some form of herd immunity or at least a more acceptable endemic level. Then it is all about numbers.
And how is that working out? Herd immunity was advertised at 70%-75% vaccine intake- WRONG! Outbreaks control- WRONG! The situation on the ground is unchanged. A year ago we should have vaxed the vulnerable and moved on. Instead, we've destroyed our country.
When a post starts like this ....
The vaccines worked very well on earlier waves but less so now. They are still productive and offer some production. They can easily modify the mRNA vaccines and they are. The simple fact is it takes time to produce new versions.
Advertised by whom?
I could be mistaken but I don’t recall any reputable health or science party state that or any percentage as a certainty, I believe it was always an escalating vaccination “goal” and considering that it was originally for 18+, 75% would be woefully low. It would realistically need to be 90%+ of eligible candidates.
Then you factor in that many nations are nowhere near that target, the virus is mutating into new variants. If we were still in the initial variant, we’d be in a very good position in Canada.
China provided the DNA sequencing for Covid-19 in January 2020 when an RNA virus was found to the cause of a disease which was latter named Covid-19. It took the WHO over two months to declare a pandemic and it would have been probably longer if not for mounting pressure from the international community.
The vaccine manufactures boast that they can easily modify the mRNA vaccines for new strains , but apparently not in a timely manner. Easily is not synonymous with timely as there are no mRNA vaccine to market for the UK, Lambda, Delta or Omicron. variants. The speed of the appearance and virulence of new Covid-19 mutations is likely too much for the pharmaceutical companies to keep up with.
It would appear as was done with the present mRNA vaccine, there will be rapid administration of the vaccine to humans instead of the traditional testing on animals and clinical trials which normally took years.
Because it is based on R0.. Different R means different numbers. This is basic science.
You aren't aware that the situation on the ground has changed?
Have you been not paying attention?
We did vax the vulnerable.
By your theory we would be even MORE protected because we did more.
Oddly, your plan didn't work because the situation on the ground changed.
There Is a lot to be pissed off about and more to come as more variants and more yet to be released new vaccines are on the way. We cannot adapt to any new normal because things keep too fast changing. I expect some of the anti vaxxers to join the program depending on how new variants and vaccines present and also some resistance to further jabs from those who have gotten a couple or three. Basic day to day inconveniences due to the pandemic are definitely depressing.
The point of a vaccine is to PREVENT INFECTION. Spare me this 'New Take' of reasoning that says vaccines are meant to not prevent you from getting a disease, but instead, - oh, wait , no, you still even get symptoms! - Oh , Ok, so this vaccine (which by the way apparently requires THREE shots, maybe 4, who knows - the only thing it is good for is to stop you from getting in the ICU.
So, we have people forcing other people to lose their jobs and privileges for something that is so far removed from any vaccine ever created, and you don't question their suspicions?
Never has been, never will be.
As always, the point is to provide prevent infection for most of the population. There has never been a 100% effective vaccine.
....and minimize the severity of the infection, in case someone still contracts it.
Next year, this time, there will most likely be new variants and new vaccines and even more divisive partisan politics with the schism between those who have been vaccinated up to the flavour of the month mRNA drug and those who have been partially vaccinated or deliberately non vaccinated. We are into a whole new threshold, a hole that we cannot easily escape, effecting everyone everywhere in some way or another.
Some of the pharmaceutical companies talk of the efficacy of their particular vaccine at any given time with no promise of absolutes and it is other actors who distort and polarize this message.
Even the immunity granted through contracting covid is only temporary. By hook or by crook everyone will have antibodies against C19, how you top up your antibodies is up to you; getting infected with covid again or through a needle or a combination of both.
Excellent, we agree that the point is to prevent infection, and COVID vaccines have not even remotely succeeded at doing that.
The CHANCES of infection. Even the most effective vaccines for viruses with stable genomes are only 90% effective.
Sorry but they have been very effective at reducing the chances of infection until omicron. The fact that they also significantly reduce serious impacts in breakthrough cases is a bonus.
Do you enjoy being wrong so often? That may be the best individual outcome but it is not the primary role.
The primary role is to minimize transmission of a disease and ideally eradicate that disease from humanity.
And what vaccine has a 100% failure rate not even a year later? They even have a couple of studies (from a G&M article) that suggest a negative efficacy- meaning the vaccinated are more likely to get infected than the unvaccinated.
The Covid-19 vaccine was undeniably able to reduce morbidity and mortality in seniors and the immunocompromised in long term care facilities at the beginning of the vaccine campaign which is not what I would call a 100% failure rate! Any death deferral is a success anyway isn’t it?
The hospital data in North American suggests that currently morbidity and mortality is still significantly more severe among the unvaccinated or those that have received only one jab. The anti vaxxers by definition reject the jab but rarely reject the ICU ventilator for some reason.
Still Omicron has punched significant holes in the current vaccine program obviously and new vaccines are obviously needed which may likely be offered up for administering to the masses with ultra short term testing as before. Then the current mRNA vaccines will be discontinued or banned. Your post implies that you would like to see the current vaccines banned now.?
Do you believe that multiple jabs weaken the immune system?
