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Vax mandates have nothing at all to do with the Charter.yeah...Charter of Rights is idiotic ...great ....
Is the Ontario government opening up the province at the end of the month. Are they mandating the 3rd booster to be fully vaccinated?
You still didn’t explain Dr. Malone statement here. You know inventor of MRNA technology. How about statements from Ontario’s top doctor.
All you will do is try to bully people with your drivel and pile on and try to tell people what to think and how to feel like you and your terb buddies think this is normal.
Take a nap because that’s all you are good at since you present no valid argument on here.
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you cannot be serious to blindly assume that everyone has to have a vaccine. everyone has different issues
Really ??? so, hope you know that if you are not vaccinated you are NOT ALLOWED to leave Canada! And if you read the Charter at least ones you would know section #6 - Freedom of Mobility
if only you worked a little bit harder, you would have had a private plane and you could leave freely!
until then you can leave on foot or on a bicycle or in a car
well, if all my taxes were not paid to your lovely junior boy you protecting so eagerly I may had a private jet
I actually give zero fucks about the junior boywell, if all my taxes were not paid to your lovely junior boy you protecting so eagerly I may had a private jet
so you are a part of those "fringe minority" who's views are not acceptable as per junior ?
Just repeating non-sequiturs is not argument.
It is difficult to argue with someone who refuses to accept science and objective data. The fact that vaccinated people still get infected is completely irrelevant and in any event are getting infected alt lower positivity rates. Apart from that just look at deaths and hospitalizations.
" In Ontario, for instance, unvaccinated people over 60 were 15 times more likely over the last 30 days to end up in the ICU with COVID than the fully vaccinated, according to Public Health Ontario figures. "
Overall, in Ontario rates of hospitalization are higher among unvaccinated individuals compared to those who have completed the primary vaccine series. This trend has remained consistent over time (Figure 3). In each age group, the rate of of COVID-19-related hospitalizations was higher among unvaccinated individuals compared to those who have completed the primary vaccine series, as well as those that have completed the primary vaccine series and received their first booster dose (Figures 5 and 6). In the past 30 days, unvaccinated adults 60 years of age or older were approximately 11.8 times more likely to be hospitalized due to COVID-19 compared to adults 60 years of age and older who have completed the primary vaccine series (Figure 6). In the past 30 days, unvaccinated adults 60 years of age or older were approximately 22.4 times more likely to be hospitalized due to COVID-19 compared to adults 60 years of age and older who have completed the primary vaccine series and received their first booster dose (Figure 6).
The ICU occupancy rate per million is 135.6 for unvaccinated people and just 9.2 for those who have gotten two doses of COVID-19 vaccines. So vaccination reduces the ICU risk by 93.2 percent.
An analysis by the United Kingdom Health Security Agency (UKHSA) similarly found that "the risk of being admitted to hospital for Omicron cases was lower for those who had received 2 doses of a vaccine (65% lower) compared to those who had not received any vaccination." The risk "was lower still among those who had received 3 doses of vaccine (81% lower)."
Unvaccinated people are crowding people who need care out of hospitals.
What the science that you choose to pick and choose while ignoring other medica experts and scientists. Or you choose to focus on out dated data that serves your bias and agenda. But your refuse to acknowledge other subject matter experts like Dr. Malone inventor of the MRNA vaccine.
If the vaccination was as effective in the past as it is on Omnicron the province would be mandating us to take the booster 3rd shot. If we had the issues that we have originally with all the people in ICUs and ventilators the province would not be opening up at the end of the month. Don’t you understand this simple fact. The people are still in hospitals with omnicron but the province is opening up. Why aren’t you complaining to your province then and see yourself put into place by medical experts.
Don’t you get it your arguments are outdated and you are not the one following the latest directions from the governments and science because you are so desperate hanging on to your illusion of what you believe reality to be.
Ohh look UK is opening up too I guess they are not listening to your subject matter experts you choose to cherry pick to suit your agenda.
Why aren’t they requiring boosters to be fully vaccinated...
oops that’s right you can’t explain it and will call them stupid, white supremacist or trump supporter or whatever else they tell you to think and feel without you actually thinking for yourself ....
www.gov.uk
www.gov.uk
Why aren’t they requiring boosters to be fully vaccinated...
oops that’s right you can’t explain it and will call them stupid, white supremacist or trump supporter or whatever else they tell you to think and feel without you actually thinking for yourself ....
UK open for travel with all restrictions removed for eligible vaccinated arrivals
Changes to COVID-19 testing measures for travellers arriving in the UK from 4am 11 February.
[Withdrawn] Travel to England from another country – COVID-19 rules
Check if there are any COVID-19 rules in place for travel to England from abroad.
How dare we ignore the pee drinkers, bleach drinkers and those who imbibe silver!
There's a massive gulf between suggesting vaccination isn't working and resignation to the fact that we can't keep locking down society.
Vaccination is indisputably working and to suggest otherwise is ignoring reality. But the fact is that things do have to open up and we will have to live with the consequences of this. That is what Ontario's top doc is saying and it's why other places are opening up. It's why we have opened up before.
As for why 3rd boosters aren't being mandated is two-fold...... a new variant could eventually make a 4th booster necessary, there's no reason to be constantly changing the mandate. The bigger reason is that so few are still refusing vaccination that we can't even get them to have 1 shot, much less 3, so what would be the point? If you have 2 shots then you're likely going to get your 3rd, mandating it is uneccessary and the unvaxxed are not vaccine hesitant, still doing their research types, they're not getting it until they absolutely have to or not at all.
Most of us agreed with the vaccination and got the two shots because it helped with the symptoms and original strains and was good for the intended strain back when it was originally designed and overwhelmed icu and put a strain on supplies and ventilators.
The question is whether the old vaccine is still valid for the new strains and how much it actually helps with the current strains. I think that’s what dr. Malone is trying to get at.
Why aren’t they adjusting the vaccine then to cover the new strains. Like you highlighted many issues with that. The question is then is it needed. Some jurisdictions don’t think so while others do as you can see with the openings and not requiring the booster.
Can’t cancel the original vaccination requirement because of the damage it will do particularly to public trust and it still offers benefits. Question is how much and when does it stop being effective and needs to change if necessary.
Like Ontario’s top doctor said this is the new reality and slowly it will try to phase it out based on trends (between the lines). It we get more strains that are more severe obviously it will change however it seems like the strains are not as severe as they used to be.
Eventually it will phase out the vaccination requirements if the strains become a less severe, but now they can’t due to the damage it will do. I think this is the issue at heart.
You have no clue about the science behind the vaccines etc or the Charter. By the way what section of the Charter to you think makes mandate illegal. And while you are at it do you think the following also offends the Charter:
Unless they have a valid exemption, children who attend primary or secondary school must be immunized against:
- diphtheria
- tetanus
- polio
- measles
- mumps
- rubella
- meningitis (meningococcal disease)
- whooping cough (pertussis)
- chickenpox (varicella) – required for children born in 2010 or later
Read section 1 of the Charter as well. And that s. 6 "mobility"?..... That applies within Canada. Not outside it.
LOL. Please show me/us the statistics that show that hospitalizations and deaths are no higher among the unvaccinated.
Exactly, we're also just passing the peak of this wave.
There may be another or this could be it.
Once its done everything gets relaxed and nobody cares about mandates again.
The yellow vests are just making use of this window to shit disturb, its not like going to Ottawa to protest about American rules or provincial rules is going to do anything other than rile up the base.
But Malone is a known liar and grifter who has been kicked off every platform except Fox and Rogan. Because he is a known liar and grifter. That's why no one w half a brain takes Malone's crap seriously.
