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Ford passed the legislation for ripping up the bike lanes TODAY!!

JuanGoodman

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If you have millions of motor vehicles all fighting each other for every square centimeter of paved tar would traffic congestion, gridlock be the result?
your argument is that because the traffic is so bad that at this point there is nothing we can do to make it even worse

like an obese person who keeps over eating because at this point it's doesn't matter what they do

or person that overspends and gets in huge debt but keeps spending because it's too late now

get a grip mate :)
 
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Anbarandy

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It's not that difficult.

Toronto is gridlocked. A dedicated, massive, fat bike lane means that traffic lanes on Bloor, Yonge, College and now Davenport are reduced to 1 lane instead of 2 lanes. That means only 1/2 the # of cars can pass a certain point at any given time. So there is less traffic flow and traffic backs up.

So balance the utility of the bike lanes against their detriment in reducing traffic flow. Only 1.2% of commuters use the bike lanes. The other

So the bike lanes have to go. Cyclists rode on the streets before the bike lanes - usually fairly safely. They will do so again. And vehicular traffic will move faster. Most people think it a win.
You're not only idling in motor vehicle caused traffic congestion and gridlock, but also believe that you can reverse yourself back to a time and age that just does not exist anymore.

1) Toronto is gridlocked because of the sheer mass of motor vehicles. Plain and simple. End. Full Stop.

2) Your f*ckin facts are way past their expiry dates.

3) That 1.2% nonsense that you have the balls to post is not only from 2011 when there was basically shit all bike lanes built but also encompasses the whole of the f*ckin GTA. Tell me that you are NOT that clueless, because that 1.2% figure that you shamelessly posted is factually irrelevant and grossly outdated.

4) I mean who TF bikes in Peel, York and Durham regions? We're talking Toronto here, basically downtown and inner core Toronto. Tell me again that u r not effin clueless.

5) Outdated irrelevant numbers posted by you basically underscores your lack of knowledge and capacity the understand reality which is further evidenced by your ridiculous claim that 98% of commuting is via motor vehicles. I mean do u even read what you post? Nobody walks to work, nobody takes transit to work, nobody does both? Get real.

6) As up to date and factual as u can get is the following:


7) Over 10% of Torontonians commute via bike to work. 70% have also used or use their bikes to get where they need to go. Forty-four per cent identified as "utilitarian" cyclists, who bike to work, shop, visit friends, etc. Another 26 per cent said they were "recreational" cyclists, who bike for leisure or fitness. Just 30 per cent said they didn't bike at all. Of all respondents, 10 per cent said they ride their bike to work in good weather.

8) Bikes made up 37 per cent of rush-hour traffic at two spots along Bloor in the Annex. Cabbagetown had 34 per cent, and other central city neighbourhoods had between 26 and 33 per cent mode share. On one October day in 2022, 38,000 people biked through an area in the downtown core between Spadina, Jarvis, Queens Quay and Bloor, according to a City of Toronto count.

9) In 2013, the average number of cyclists in eight hours along Richmond Street West and Adelaide Street West in downtown Toronto was 400, according to the City. In September 2018, after bike lanes were installed, the average count was 4,780 — a 1,095 per cent increase.

10) Bloor Street saw a 50 per cent increase in cycling after the bike lanes were installed in 2016. Spending at local businesses also increased.

11) Bike Share Toronto saw 665,000 trips in 2015, its first year. This year, thanks to more bikes and better cycling paths, it's projected to hit more than 6 million.

12) Toronto is congested because people are driving from faraway places coming into the city, and they should ultimately look at transit and other options as a way of reducing congestion. Bike lanes are not the problem."
 
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Anbarandy

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Annie, stop posting that photo.

The cars aren't going away. It's been pointed out to you a dozen times that the GTA's too big and too under serviced by public transit.

Posting gridlock photos from the 401 and DVP isn't relevant to the downtown bike lanes. You consistently attain and maintain Mitchell levels of stupid in these threads. In several months, you haven't posted a cogent argument. You just insult other guys and post the highway photos.

Just stop it. It's sad and pathetic.
These motor vehicles from all parts of the GTA, the majority being single occupancy, clogging and congesting the 400 series highways, the DVP and the Gardiner:

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Funnel into Toronto:

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To fill the city and it's arterial, secondary and tertiary roads to create unrelenting daily bottlenecks, congestion, gridlock and mayhem that YOU refuse to acknowledge as the CAUSE and WORSE cast blame elsewhere.
 

Anbarandy

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your argument is that because the traffic is so bad that at this point there is nothing we can do to make it even worse

like an obese person who keeps over eating because at this point it's doesn't matter what they do

or person that overspends and gets in huge debt but keeps spending because it's too late now

get a grip mate :)
Get some self-respect mate because your post is embarrassing to say the least.
 
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Frankfooter

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your argument is that because the traffic is so bad that at this point there is nothing we can do to make it even worse

like an obese person who keeps over eating because at this point it's doesn't matter what they do

or person that overspends and gets in huge debt but keeps spending because it's too late now

get a grip mate :)
Sure, you could fix it.
Downtown congestion charge.
Get rid of onstreet parking on main streets.
More transit funding and make it free.
Ban construction from spreading into streets.

DoFo needs a distraction since he failed to build housing, made the health care system way worse, is cutting education, universities are going broke and he added 50% to the debt while in office.

 
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GameBoy27

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As far as I know, Balance on Bloor is the only group that has installed cameras and counted actual bike lane usage 24/7 - 365 on Bloor west. The city certainly hasn't done that. They picked a couple nice days to count cyclists, then claimed that was the average. The Balance on Bloor's results are very telling.

Time to question cycle lobby’s misleading data.
Numbers are often cherry-picked to support an agenda rather than reflect reality.


https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/horcsok-time-to-question-cycle-lobbys-misleading-data
 
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GameBoy27

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No blind spots at all.

Plenty of time, plenty of unobstructed views of northbound traffic for motorists on the ramp merging onto NB Bayview.

How could the driver of the pickup not see the cyclist having the right of way unless he was not paying attention to what he was supposed to be paying attention to/

The ramp is long, and unobstructed for such a large stretch that only an inattentive, careless and/or reckless driver would be the cause of this cyclist's death.


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You really go out of your way, way out to always, aways doubt, cast aspersions and /or fault cyclists while constantly lauding, praising and saluting motor vehicle drivers.
Do you know the outcome of the collision? Was the driver at fault? Have they been charged, convicted? Kinda makes a difference...
 

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There is a place for bike lanes and that's on secondary routes. That's where the city failed. The last time I was in the city for an event and there were new bike lanes on a major route to the DVP. What a fucking nightmare as traffic crawled, where it used to flow well.
 

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Do you know the outcome of the collision? Was the driver at fault? Have they been charged, convicted? Kinda makes a difference...
Weak AF response.

Aligns with your M.O. though.
 
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Anbarandy

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There is a place for bike lanes and that's on secondary routes. That's where the city failed. The last time I was in the city for an event and there were new bike lanes on a major route to the DVP. What a fucking nightmare as traffic crawled, where it used to flow well.
What date was it?

What time of day was it?

What street was it?

Which direction was it?
 
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There is a place for bike lanes and that's on secondary routes. That's where the city failed. The last time I was in the city for an event and there were new bike lanes on a major route to the DVP. What a fucking nightmare as traffic crawled, where it used to flow well.
There are no secondary east west routes downtown.
North - south there are some options but they aren't great.

If you want more driving space argue to kill parking on Bloor.
 

dirkd101

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There are no secondary east west routes downtown.
North - south there are some options but they aren't great.

If you want more driving space argue to kill parking on Bloor.
It's not all about a straight shot going in any direction. It's all about more prudent use of what you have, weighing the impacts of traffic, which is always growing. You used to be able to get around Toronto in the 80s quite easily, but with no growth in your road network and then the taking away of the lanes that helped move traffic, then you cause yourself a lot of problems. Cyclists say that drivers have to suck it up, with regards to the bike lanes, or don't drive, if you don't like the congestion. They should suck it up and take a more circuitous routes on secondary roads.

I've seen traffic move better in Europe's old cities and they have lots of cars using the road network and tons of scooters.
 

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What date was it?

What time of day was it?

What street was it?

Which direction was it?
Huh?

What does that matter?

But, if you really need to know, it was a Tuesday night ballgame, and it was Adelaide to the DVP. To top it off, with no warning about DVP closures, that was just closed too. Traffic crawled across Adelaide, which used to be a solid route to the DVP.

I've also taken many of the other streets that have bike lanes, during the night and day. While there's always been congestion in this city, it's worse now, with the bike lanes and added traffic.
 

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It's not all about a straight shot going in any direction. It's all about more prudent use of what you have, weighing the impacts of traffic, which is always growing. You used to be able to get around Toronto in the 80s quite easily, but with no growth in your road network and then the taking away of the lanes that helped move traffic, then you cause yourself a lot of problems. Cyclists say that drivers have to suck it up, with regards to the bike lanes, or don't drive, if you don't like the congestion. They should suck it up and take a more circuitous routes on secondary roads.

I've seen traffic move better in Europe's old cities and they have lots of cars using the road network and tons of scooters.
European cities have fewer cars per capita and more transit. They also generally have more bike lanes.

Bikes take up way less space on the road per person, same with buses.
Cars and parked cars take up more than their share.

You want more space on roads make people drive smaller cars and ban parking on roads like Yonge and Bloor.
 
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