Ford Govt rejected proposals to prevent 2nd wave at LTC as "too expensive"

[basketcase]

Seriously??? I have to spell out everything? If the manufacturer sells you a vaccine in two parts, how is taking one part considered vaccinated? It's a two step process. What is so complicated about this? Even the government statistics underline this. Where do you think I got the number I posted- the fucking Ontario government's website! What some seem to have problems with is distinguishing press releases from the actual realities.

Could it be because partial vaccination gives a significant amount of immunity? Shit. This has to be one of the dumbest arguments to avoid admitting your initial post wasn't 100% clear.

 

[basketcase]

And I agree with you 100%. But, that doesn't change the fact that the rapid testing arrived late. And Ontario is not the only province that hesitated and warehoused instead of immediate deployment. But that's just confusion of the slow and inept bureaucracies facing vaccine rollouts and the hotel quarantine directive from Ottawa.

So you avoid criticizing Ford for warehousing needed tests because a few other provinces did similar things? Nice.

Goes along with you avoiding the article detailing how Ford was made aware of how a second wave would impact LTC homes but decided it wasn't worth the money. Considering he had already protected LTC owners, who happened to be donors, it does raise some serious ethics questions.

 

[jcpro]

Horrible comparison as cruises are well known cesspits; outbreaks happen on them all the time without becoming pandemics.

The border thing is tiring. The first Canadian case was hospitalized on Jan 23. Take a look at the information available at the time Taiwan only had its first case on the 21st. Even ignoring the impracticality of sealing out border for economic and supply reasons, if he had stopped all incoming travellers, you would have spent the past year complaining about how irresponsible it was to do it. I'd also put pretty good odds that most of the people criticizing Trudeau were accusing him of overreacting in February.

By the time anyone (outside of perhaps the Chinese government) knew how deadly this was, the killer was already in the house.

Most significantly, your desperate avoidance of the topic in the OP says a lot.

Yeah, and in mid December 2019 I had the worst "cold" of my life that lasted for weeks. Cruise ships are dirty, but when you have the same symptoms on unrelated vessels in different parts of the world, doesn't that raise your curiosity????? A little bit, maybe? When you have an outbreak in the LTC facility in Buttfucknowhere, On, are you not seeing the pattern? The OP, like the government which I said from the start fucked it up, is just playing the usual. Everyone in charge failed and failed miserably.

 

[jcpro]

Could it be because partial vaccination gives a significant amount of immunity? Shit. This has to be one of the dumbest arguments to avoid admitting your initial post wasn't 100% clear.

How much immunity it gives you? Lets have a real number. Can you reopen the economy based on half a dose? Seriously, I'm interested. If it's such a dumb argument, you must have a scientific answer based on the real life results, surveys, statistical data. Lets see it.

 

[jcpro]

Yeah, and in mid December 2019 I had the worst "cold" of my life that lasted for weeks. Cruise ships are dirty, but when you have the same symptoms on unrelated vessels in different parts of the world, doesn't that raise your curiosity????? A little bit, maybe? When you have an outbreak in the LTC facility in Buttfucknowhere, On, are you not seeing the pattern? The OP, like the government which I said from the start fucked it up, is just playing the usual. Everyone in charge failed and failed miserably.

So you avoid criticizing Ford for warehousing needed tests because a few other provinces did similar things? Nice.

Goes along with you avoiding the article detailing how Ford was made aware of how a second wave would impact LTC homes but decided it wasn't worth the money. Considering he had already protected LTC owners, who happened to be donors, it does raise some serious ethics questions.

Oh, I see. You don't even read my posts. If you did, you might discover that I criticize Ford constantly on handling of Covid. Another pointless TERB discussion.

 

[jcpro]

How much immunity it gives you? Lets have a real number. Can you reopen the economy based on half a dose? Seriously, I'm interested. If it's such a dumb argument, you must have a scientific answer based on the real life results, surveys, statistical data. Lets see it.

Still waiting for the data basketcase. Meanwhile;https://torontosun.com/opinion/colu...accine-supply-behind-many-of-canadas-problems

 

[nottyboi]

Seriously??? I have to spell out everything? If the manufacturer sells you a vaccine in two parts, how is taking one part considered vaccinated? It's a two step process. What is so complicated about this? Even the government statistics underline this. Where do you think I got the number I posted- the fucking Ontario government's website! What some seem to have problems with is distinguishing press releases from the actual realities.

So now you are splitting hairs. Partial vaccination would have saved most of those people. They could have done the second dose in Jan. Thousands of people would still have their mothers and fathers but for Fords incompetence

 

[nottyboi]

And I agree with you 100%. But, that doesn't change the fact that the rapid testing arrived late. And Ontario is not the only province that hesitated and warehoused instead of immediate deployment. But that's just confusion of the slow and inept bureaucracies facing vaccine rollouts and the hotel quarantine directive from Ottawa.

But BC did not hestitate to vaccinate all their LTC residents ASAP because they are not STUPID. Quebec vaccinated and spent a lot of money on more employees to improve infection control, because they are not MEAN, GREEDY and STUPID. When the second wave crisis hit, Doug Ford did not call in the military, because it would embarass his govt. Instead he felt it was politcially preferable to let these people die. He is a evil POS.

 

[nottyboi]

Still waiting for the data basketcase. Meanwhile;https://torontosun.com/opinion/colu...accine-supply-behind-many-of-canadas-problems

Ahh so you quote the paper for the poor dumbed down Right Wing lol. Shortage of vaccines a problem? WOW that is incredibly insightful. Its a NSS (no shit Sherlock) level revelation. Its also the problem in the USA. They still have 200m unvaxed people. I am sure they would like to get them done even faster.Every country on the planet wants more vaccine faster. But as of yesterday your buddy Doug had over 400K vaccines that have not yet been used with 500K more coming next week. Most they have done so far is 45K in one day. So RIGHT NOW, the number of vaccines being supplied exceeded the DOFO govts ability to use them.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/track-how-many-people-have-been-given-the-covid-19-vaccine-across-canada-1.5870573

 

[Indiana]

 

[basketcase]

Oh, I see. You don't even read my posts. If you did, you might discover that I criticize Ford constantly on handling of Covid. Another pointless TERB discussion.

But here you are in a thread about Ford intentionally choosing not to prepare LTC homes for the second wave complaining about Trudeau. Hmm.

 

[basketcase]

Yeah, and in mid December 2019 I had the worst "cold" of my life that lasted for weeks. Cruise ships are dirty, but when you have the same symptoms on unrelated vessels in different parts of the world, doesn't that raise your curiosity????? A little bit, maybe? When you have an outbreak in the LTC facility in Buttfucknowhere, On, are you not seeing the pattern? The OP, like the government which I said from the start fucked it up, is just playing the usual. Everyone in charge failed and failed miserably.

Thankfully we have psychic people like you who can complain about what happened over a year ago based on the information we now have. I'm sure you can show me all the posts you made last December and January where you warned about this.

 

[basketcase]

Still waiting for the data basketcase. Meanwhile;https://torontosun.com/opinion/colu...accine-supply-behind-many-of-canadas-problems

How many times do you log in every day?

According to pfizer, 52%. A study in the UK says 89%.

How effective is a single vaccine dose against Covid-19?

Pretend it didn't happen – expert advice on how to behave after receiving a single dose of any of the Covid-19 vaccines.

www.bbc.com

 

[jcpro]

How many times do you log in every day?

According to pfizer, 52%. A study in the UK says 89%.

How effective is a single vaccine dose against Covid-19?

Pretend it didn't happen – expert advice on how to behave after receiving a single dose of any of the Covid-19 vaccines.

www.bbc.com

The first line of your OWN link obliterated your argument. Take the time to read the whole thing- very interesting and it also obliterates the political games Justin is playing with stretching of the time between shots.

 

[basketcase]

The first line of your OWN link obliterated your argument. Take the time to read the whole thing- very interesting and it also obliterates the political games Justin is playing with stretching of the time between shots.

You asked the question, I gave you the answer(s). Why is it you now want to ignore it?