Finding a Job

luvzgirlz

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I have a friend desperately seeking work. No really, it's a friend :rolleyes:

Anyway, he's very intelligent but no post secondary degree. Mainly worked in call centres. Finding nothing on craigslist (yes they advertise real jobs too) and workopolis seems to be a bust. For any people who went out and found great jobs, what advice do you advise to give him? Beyond the obvious, re-do resume, apply a lot, be great at interview...excepting these generalities, what insight do my fellow pervs have to impart? (I won't mention where I got the advice from, hehehe)
 
For me the secret to success is Network Network NETWORK! Most of the jobs I had were obtained through people I already knew, who in turn provided great references. Sure people have found their dream jobs through online job boards but most of the time it's like playing crapshoot. Your friend (is he really your friend? :rolleyes: j/k) could also try contacting employment agencies, who can help him to get his foot in the door and get on the right track. But he should really consider upgrading his education from the secondary level. If he finds himself "stuck" in the job search he should make himself more appealing to the employers by furthering his education amongst other things.

Good luck!
 
He's desparately seeking work but is he looking in the right areas? I'd like a job that pays me a 6-figure income, but I don't have the skills, schooling or experience that would qualify me for those types of jobs.

Hate to say it, but without some sort of post-secondary papers and only having call centre experience he's going to be pretty much limited to lower-income type jobs and even then he'll have to compete with people with post-secondary paperwork for some of them. ie my last job only required Grade 12, but I beat out all the other candidates because I had a college diploma (in a completely unrelated field).

So he will have to work hard, but the advice given so far is superb... talk to people, ask if they know anyone who's hiring. Don't wait for jobs to be posted, print a scad of resumes and get them out to potential employers. "Hi, I know you're not advertising for help right now, but I just want to drop my resume with you in case something comes up in the future."

Don't know what his financial situation is, but if going back to school is an option I would strongly consider it. If there's a trade that appeals to him there may even be a possibility of finding someone who will hire him while he is going to school and doing his apprenticeship.
 
He should consider leveraging what he does know into the next evolution of his career. Without qualifications, it's hard to start a brand new field. So if he has call centre experience he might look for a call centre supervisor role, or other sales position. Tell him to reach out to anyone he knows in the whole call centre world, see where former colleagues have ended up, etc. Maybe not ideal, but it's a way to start finding a series of successive positions that eventually get him what he wants.

Does he actually know what he wants to be doing, or is this more "need money now?"
 
A good trick is decide which companies they would like to work for. Find out who the General manager is for that company, reference books or online sources is a good place to find out. Cold call the place to make sure this person is still the general manager, this is a must do! After you confirm that this person is the general manager, cold call him/her about possible job prospects at this company! After all Human Resources is the last dept, to know they are hiring! The general manager decides if and when they are hiring!
 
It's tough without a decent post-secondary education or other skills that can set him apart from other job seekers.

A great economics report I read last year stated that never in the history of mankind has there been such a surplus of labour throughout the entire world. It's not just a problem in Canada. The world has a net gain of approximately 100 million people a year at the current pace, but the computer age means more and more jobs needing manual labour are being replaced by software and machines. Add the fact that population flows are highly fluid (Canada takes in over 400,000 people a year through immigration, refugee claims, granting landed status to graduating international students in our schools, etc...) and competition gets more and more fierce every year, even in a nasty recession.

The best thing your friend can do is go back to school and pick up skills that are both interesting to him, but are and will be in demand for the next few years.
It also helps if the jobs he's looking for require creativity or thinking outside the box since those things are hard to automate.

He should be careful about entering high tech fields though, as anything digital can now be off shored to India or China. Programming computer or smart phone apps may look fun, but the competition is fierce and he'll be competing against millions of programmers in India as well as the unemployed ones here.

He should look for jobs that can not be off shored or easily replaced. The trades are a great place to start. Canada will always need GOOD plumbers, electricians, carpenters, auto technicians and mechanics, etc.

Look at it like this, an X-ray technician's job is safe because someone is always needed to move you around and physically set your body part on the machine to take the many angles of the shots, but the doctor looking at the digital X-ray can be in New Delhi while looking at the X-rays taken in Toronto 10 minutes earlier.

If the new skills he's interested in do not require a lot of education but it still might cost too much to take a course (like relational database skills which are in short supply these days) then he might look at volunteering at a charity that is willing to let him learn on the "job" since he's not being payed.

Good luck to him.
 
If your friend wants a certain job, he/she should check companies/organizations websites. If searching for a government job, check the federal, provincial, regional and municipal websites.

A suggestion is to tailor each resume sent to the specific position! A standard resume is useless except for having everything one has done in their lifetime. The information is great, but you need to create a resume that specifies the skills you will bring to the position. A cover is a must, how you heard about the position, follow-up.
Cold job search
Networking
On-line, newsprint (not so often these days)
Headhunters

Here's a pretty good list!

www.jobbank.gc.ca
www.workopolis.com
www.employmentnews.come
www.kwjobshop.ca
www.canada.plusjobs.com
www.monster.com
www.jobshark.com
www.employcanada.com
www.canadianjobs.com
www.mazemaster.on.ca
www.officeteam.com
www.jobboom.com
www.careerowl.com
www.cooljobscanada.com
wwwnewcanadians.org
www.careerclick.com
www.onwin.ca
www.enablelink.org
www.workaccess.com
www.connectcareers.com
www.hrjobs.ca
www.allstarjobs.com
www.eluta.ca
www.indeed.ca
www.wowjobs.ca
www.jobserve.ca
www.careerjel.ca
www.simplyhired.ca

TIPS for resume, interviews, etc.
www.quintcareers.com
www.vault.com
www.powerful-sample-resume-formats.com
www.jobstar.org
www.cvtips.com
www.workopolis.com
www.careerkey.com

Within your community, there are other organizations that could be helpful in finding work too.
 
You might suggest he pick up the book "What Color is my Parachute?" - great book on how to find a job. The book has sold millions of copies and has a new edition every year. He should be able to pick it up at any major bookstore.
 
They say that 70% of available jobs are not advertised. That means your friend is competing with virtually 100% of the job seekers that are out there. Great advice has already been given, but it really cant be over-stressed that he needs to talk to companies and establish a routine of calling VPs, managers etc. and making sure they understand he really wants to be a part of their company.

As for education...it is ideal, but keep in mind, what are they really asking for when they want a post-secondary degree? If it isn't degree-specific they probably just mean they want someone who has goal-setting abilities, who is professional, who has proper english skills and can communicate as a professional, etc. Obviously a doctor needs to be highly educated, but when they just want any post-secondary degree, they usually just want to authenticate that he's intelligent.

Oh and tell him not to be afraid of contract positions. Almost any entry-level gov't job is that way nowadays. But better to earn 22 bucks an hour for 4 months than get some 14/hr job that would take two extra months to make the same amount. That contract ends and now he's able to have some savings and search comfortably.
 
He should look for jobs that can not be off shored or easily replaced. The trades are a great place to start. Canada will always need GOOD plumbers, electricians, carpenters, auto technicians and mechanics, etc.
This. The value of a university degree has been overstated. By the time you're done half the degrees out there, the jobs are gone. The legal field is being outsourced, and we have a glut of people with general business degrees just like psychology BA's. In an industrial trade you can make $100K your first year as an apprentice if you really want to. Get a trade, and then if you don't like it in 5 years do something else with all the money you have and you still have your journeyman ticket to fall back on.
 
Very much agreed on networking. In my organization I have hired 7 people since the beginning of the year, and 6 of those were personal acquaintances or acquaintances once removed. When every hire is so important nowadays why take a chance on an unknown quantity?

Good luck - KK
 
What sort of job is your friend looking for? Does he want to work in a restaurant as a server or as a cook? Does he want to work stocking shelves or working a cash register in a retail store? Those offer thousands of opportunities right there - he can walk store to store in his neighbourhood and ask what opportunities they might be hiring for.

If he wants to work in construction or other heavy labour, or in the trades, it would help if he had some background, but it's not always necessary.

If he thinks he's going to simply apply for a job that requires experience and get it, he might be disappointed.
 
A lot of great advice here, but I'd like to put my 2 cents in as well since I've somewhat been in that position.

First things first...He should NEVER expect to just magically jump into a position with high pay. It doesn't work that way. Otherwise, he'll just end up disappointing himself, lose confidence and end up staying where he is.
I know redoing the resume is a given as you mentioned in your post, but that is as important as the interview. Probably even more important. If he's interested in a certain position, he should try and re-word his responsibilities to fit that certain position. I'm not saying he should lie (even though most people do on their resume), but more like extending the truth a bit, if that makes any sense. Sometimes you've done certain things at a job which can relate to what you're looking for, but don't realize it and people tend to leave it out. He has to evaluate EVERYTHING he's done including the smallest things. Those small things can be his open door to where he wants to be. He has to think hard and doing a resume just doesn't take days. It can take weeks. You say he's very ingelligent. In what way? How so? Try to find a way to implement his intelligence into the resume. He has to market that. Sell it. That's what a resume is. It's to sell yourself. A lot of people's resumes just indicate what they've done. It has to be more than that and in detail. Think of an SP ad. Who would you rather see? An ad that only states price and phone number? An ad that also includes their measurements? An ad that includes pictures plus what is included in a session?
Me as a buyer, would like to know what I'm getting into. This goes the same for any hiring team.

Having a call center position within a larger organization can be a benefit. It can lead to internal hiring to other departments. Just as long as he's on good terms with his manager. A good company should always hire within and give someone a chance at something if he shows he's willing to learn. Sure, the pay may not be equivelant to what others in that same position are getting (maybe even considerably less), but considering he has nothing to back him up, it's an open door to pursue what he wants. In this day in age, it's all about EXPERIENCE. I don't care how many degrees or years of schooling you had, the years of experience is more important. Well, for majority of jobs out there.

Maybe take a crash course on something he's interested in to get a certificate. Then use that as leverage to move within his current company. From there, he can grab the experience he needs, and then start looking for openings elsewhere. It can be a bonus when an employer sees an applicant has moved within a company. Treat the current company as a stepping stone. Majority of companys out there only see you as a number, so don't dump your heart and soul into it. Being loyal is one thing, but being smart about your well being is another.

Keep in mind, a lot of people out there still don't know what they want to do regardless of age and there are a lot of people that tend to change careers and start from scratch.

I want to pull in 6 figures a year or at least close to it. I did not complete high school and I have worked in call centers as customer service agent in the past, and I HATED it soooo much and I knew I had more potential for something better. So I had to do something about it and it started off with a certificate and then movement within a company. From there I slowly gathered experience and then moved on to other company's to gain more experience within my field. I still wasn't too happy with what I chose, but at least I got out of what I hated doing and paid a little better. Because of the experience, I got exposure to a lot more than what I was doing within my field, yet they were still related in some way to my line of work, and that opened more doors for me to move in a different direction which I am more interested in with potential to make the 6 figures that I want. I'm not there right now, but at least that path opened up for me which I chose that can lead me there while not being down and out with what I do. I was actually surprised that there was so much more out there in relation to my field, other than what I was doing
Just because you do a certain job, doesn't mean that's the only thing available in that field. It's like a tree. There are different branches. And in order to find out what they are and where they lead, you have to gain experience and be somewhat exposed to those other opportunities within that field. Take for example...if someone says they want to be in automotive. First thing that comes to peoples mind is a mechanic, but in reality, there's a lot more other careers in automotive than just bending over and working under someones hood. But in order to find out what they are, it may be a good idea to start out as a mechanic and then slowly get exposed to what the automotive industry has to offer.
 
China has great opportunities for wonderful jobs making products that other people buy. If your lucky enough to get a job making ipods just make sure when you jump off the building the suicide security railing catches you.

In Canada it's only filling coffee and flipping burgers. There is some security railing on the viaduct, but that's it.
 
Go back to school..

Most jobs I have ever got were because of networking. Someone called me up and asked me to come work for them as a result of it. But I also have an abundance of post-secondary education to back up the everything that comes out of my mouth although I never learned what I know in school.

Education does matter...

His options for having no education are to work with disabled as a support worker or work in a group home for adults or youth. He will need basic things like CPR, maybe NVCI but other than that, his options are limited to retail and food services.

One of the things I learned in business school is to create a business card that has a bullet point resume on the back. This does not have to be fancy and can be done at home. When you meet people make sure to give them the card. Networking is key, and it is one of those things that will lead you to where you want to go faster than those who do not put in the time to getting to know those that matter.
 
- the resume's job is to get the interview. Its a tool to sell yourself.
- make sure the resume is properly formatted. No weird indents or spaces. Bigger companies put into a machine and finds keywords. They don't really read it. 1 weird tab, and you're resume is fuct.
- Try and make it 1 page. 2 max.
- there's no ultimate right way to write your resume. Its different for each field. Find out which one is right for what you're looking
- Put stuff in your resume that shows you getting results. "Cold called more than 100 clients a day with a daily increase of 2% in company sales" sounds way better than "call random people 12hrs a day from monday to friday"
- make sure your resume makes sense! use past tense when needed.
- rock the interview!
- if you're getting interviews, but not getting the job, its cuz your interview skills suck. no offense.
- if you don't know how to make a good resume or rock the interview, Take the free courses on how to! I did.
- however, these free courses just give pointers. Its by no means the "right way" to do things. Just like us telling you what to do.
- network. easiest way to get a job interview is if you know someone
- use job search engines like eluta.ca or the gov job bank. It bypasses all the job agency posts looking to fill their spots, like workopolis.
- use a job agency, like kelly services or adecco
- go back to school. post secondary is needed if you want better money. skilled trades!
- other than that, beer store and the post office make decent coin
 
One of the things I learned in business school is to create a business card that has a bullet point resume on the back. This does not have to be fancy and can be done at home.

Excellent idea! But I would only do "homemade" if you have the skills and materials to do a decent job, otherwise you may in fact sabatoge your efforts if the impression is that you don't care enough to make a decent effort.

Case in point: in a past job I got to go through the resumes for my replacement, my boss saw me look at one resume and discard it unread and asked why. The sender had sent us a photocopy of his resume - which was fine - but had at some point folded the resume in half and when he copied it he not only didn't flatten it out, he also didn't put the lid down so the copy was all curved and blurred. I said to my boss "if this is all the effort he's going to put in to try and get a job, how hard do you think he's likely to work if we hire him?"