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[southpaw]

Those issues dont exist today given the majority of people who live in Canada are all immigrants themselves.

Those issues don't exist today? Indigenous Canadians don't have problems? They're doing as well as the rest of us?

https://www.ictinc.ca/blog/8-key-issues-for-indigenous-peoples-in-canada

How about the Palestinians? No problems today? They had all of Palestine, from the river to the sea, before mass immigration from Europe and the establishment of Israel.

 

[Kautilya]

Those issues don't exist today? Indigenous Canadians don't have problems? They're doing as well as the rest of us?

https://www.ictinc.ca/blog/8-key-issues-for-indigenous-peoples-in-canada

How about the Palestinians? No problems today? They had all of Palestine, from the river to the sea, before mass immigration from Europe and the establishment of Israel.

Both are unrelated to immigration. None of those issues you highlighted in the link are caused by immigration or even related to it. And how is the Palestinian situation which is brought on by colonization, not immigration, in any way applicable to Canada?.

 

[southpaw]

And how is the Palestinian situation which is brought on by colonization, not immigration, in any way applicable to Canada?.

Thank you for asking. Both are due to an unlimited influx of people.

You make a distinction between colonization and immigration. Fine. But left unchecked, either one will result in similar outcomes.

 

[NotADcotor]

The volume of immigrants what am referring to. It is a non factor as it regards the current job market conditions.

But you also think its a non factor in wait times, and housing prices and probably traffic congestion, so we can safely ignore your thoughts on this issue [and for other reasons most other issues also]

 

[Kautilya]

Thank you for asking. Both are due to an unlimited influx of people.

You make a distinction between colonization and immigration. Fine. But left unchecked, either one will result in similar outcomes.

Not really. Colonization is essentially a non-consensual influx of people in an attempt to take over land or exploit natural resources. Immigration is influx of people that occurs with consent. That is a huge distinction. And those indigeneous issues you highlighted have nothing to do with immigration at all. They are unrelated.

 

[NotADcotor]

Were there limits on immigration when white people came to Canada and settled here? No. There weren't. It was open door. Immigration laws, visas etc have roots in racism and only came about when colonialism ended and non-white people gained mobility. They were set up to ensure countries like Canada stayed white. So technically, there should not be any limits on immigration as immigration actually grows economies.

There are differences between then and now. I would explain them, but that would be like explaining physics to my brothers cat... Oh wait no it wouldn't, my brother's cat is a joy to be around even if he doesn't understand or listen to a word I say.

 

[NotADcotor]

Those issues dont exist today given the majority of people who live in Canada are all immigrants themselves.

The majority of people who live in Canada are immigrants?

83% of people from Indians rape puppies, not even adult dogs, but little wee puppies.

Hey living in a land of pure imagination is fun!

 

[southpaw]

Colonization is essentially a non-consensual influx of people in an attempt to take over land or exploit natural resources. Immigration is influx of people that occurs with consent.

Read what I posted. I said an unlimited influx of people is bad for the existing population. Whether through colonization or immigration.

 

[Kautilya]

Read what I posted. I said an unlimited influx of people is bad for the existing population. Whether through colonization or immigration.

Colonization is non-consensual influx of people via invasions or settlements. It could be limited or unlimited, but the goal of colonization is exploitation and stealing of lands and resources. That is bad.

Immigration, is consensual influx of people. Influx of immigrants on the other hand, limited or unlimited, grows economies.

They cannot be compared.

 

[southpaw]

Immigration, is consensual influx of people. Influx of immigrants on the other hand, limited or unlimited, grows economies.

If you want a vision of the future, picture trying to explain "per capita" to Kautilya, endlessly.

 

[Kautilya]

If you want a vision of the future, picture trying to explain "per capita" to Kautilya, endlessly.

GDP per capita will also grow with a growing economy as it did with Canada. Then influx of people slowed down you got an aging, unproductive population with a slow, stagnant economy, which we are currently trying to fix.

 

[southpaw]

GDP per capita will also grow with a growing economy as it did with Canada.

Show me where this is happening today. Where mass immigration is increasing Real GDP per capita.

Not in the past, when Canada was a new country. In the present, when it is a mature economy.

 

[Kautilya]

Show me where this is happening today. Where mass immigration is increasing Real GDP per capita.

Not in the past, when Canada was a new country. In the present, when it is a mature economy.

Canada's population in 1970 was 20M. GDP of 100B and a per capita GDP of 4K.

Today it is 40M, GDP of ~2.1T, with a per capita of ~53K.

Proportion of foreign born people in Canada in 1970, was ~3.5%. Today its 20 to 25%.

Generally it is macro economics 101. Higher the population, higher the GDP and consequently GDP per capita. Without population growth, the economy will stagnate and infact deteriorate. Japan is a great example of this.

 

[southpaw]

Canada's population in 1970 was 20M. GDP of 100B and a per capita GDP of 4K.

Today it is 40M, GDP of ~2.1T, with a per capita of ~53K.

Proportion of foreign born people in Canada in 1970, was ~3.5%. Today its 20 to 25%.

Generally it is macro economics 101. Higher the population, higher the GDP and consequently GDP per capita. Without population growth, the economy will stagnate and infact deteriorate. Japan is a great example of this.

Read what I asked for. Real GDP per capita, not nominal. In the present, not in the past

 

[Kautilya]

Read what I asked for. Real GDP per capita, not nominal. In the present, not in the past

The crux of your argument is that population increase works negatively to impact the economy. So you need the past to compare.

And its pretty much the same story. It was around 8-9K in 1970, in current prices, and 53K in 2023.

Whichever way you slice and dice it, it is macro economics 101. Higher your population, better your economy.

As I mentioned Japan is a very real example of the opposite.

 

[EddieBrock1500]

The crux of your argument is that population increase works negatively to impact the economy. So you need the past to compare.

And its pretty much the same story. It was around 8-9K in 1970, in current prices, and 53K in 2023.

Whichever way you slice and dice it, it is macro economics 101. Higher your population, better your economy.

As I mentioned Japan is a very real example of the opposite.

Yes they have a population problem but believe me, Japan wouldn’t want the clowns Canada and the US are letting in. I was just there, it’s beautiful. I hope it stays like that and they can grow their base population again without diluting it.

 

[southpaw]

Whichever way you slice and dice it, it is macro economics 101. Higher your population, better your economy.

Did you ever take macro economics 101?

If this is true, the countries with the largest populations should have the best GDP per capita. Do they?

The countries with the fastest growing populations should have the fastest growing economies. Do they?

 

[EddieBrock1500]

Did you ever take macro economics 101?

If this is true, the countries with the largest populations should have the best GDP per capita. Do they?

The countries with the fastest growing populations should have the fastest growing economies. Do they?

Kautilya is letting his liberal mind take over. You can’t just increase the population and make a better country. GDP per capita needs to increase. The more the average person earns the better off the country is. We need better immigration policies, mass deportations, and better schools to get us where we need to be. Not blindly increasing the population.

 

[southpaw]

You can’t just increase the population and make a better country. GDP per capita needs to increase.

He's saying the second statement follows from the first. By default.

I think he took magic economics, not macro economics.

 

[Kautilya]

Kautilya is letting his liberal mind take over. You can’t just increase the population and make a better country. GDP per capita needs to increase. The more the average person earns the better off the country is.

He's saying the second statement follows from the first. By default.

I think he took magic economics, not macro economics.

As I showed, GDP and GDP per capita, both nominal and real, have infact increased, with increasing population. That is hard data and cannot be disputed.

We need better immigration policies, mass deportations, and better schools to get us where we need to be. Not blindly increasing the population.

Yeah and I suppose we also need gas chambers and mass graves as well? Go ahead, bid for it and see how it works out for you.

What we need is for you to accept reality and get with the program. Immigration will continue, whether or not you like it. It will infact continue even if Pee Pee were to get to power and reduce immigration. Canada will not return to what it was in the 1960s.

Yes they have a population problem but believe me, Japan wouldn’t want the clowns Canada and the US are letting in. I was just there, it’s beautiful. I hope it stays like that and they can grow their base population again without diluting it.

The "clowns" that Canada is letting in, are the ones who are paying old age social security and pensions, for the resident clowns in Canada. Taxes dont grow on trees while you lounge in your retirement home.

Yes they have a population problem but believe me, Japan wouldn’t want the clowns Canada and the US are letting in. I was just there, it’s beautiful. I hope it stays like that and they can grow their base population again without diluting it.

Did you ever take macro economics 101?

If this is true, the countries with the largest populations should have the best GDP per capita. Do they?

The countries with the fastest growing populations should have the fastest growing economies. Do they?

Your argument will have legs if all countries started on equal footing, but they did not as they were plundered by colonialists.

However, the basics still hold good. Every single country if you compare the past, and the present will present better figures for GDP, GDP per capita, productivity, etc. with a growing population (especially working age population), If your argument were to be true, those countries should be in worse shape, but they are not. Rarely would it show the opposite, but those are caused by extraneous factors such as war, civil war etc - such as in Syria.

Take India for instance. 1947, India had 300M people and a GDP per capita of 91 bucks. No data available for Real GDP. Perhaps something like 300 bucks. Today it is $10,000, with a population of 1.3B.