Finally justice - This is Canada

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A British/Canadian friend of mine is a cat lover. (He normally has the patience of Joeb) He has two cats. One morning the oldest wasn't home from normal overnight adventures. He looks out his kitchen window and his cat is being lured into an ***** families home.

Now at 6'2 and 275 LBS it's amazing how he went over that 6' fence. After a brief question period on what was going on it was found out that one individual could fly. Back into his house propelled by one massive fist.

Point:- This is Canada. Some citizens are not that easy going to unusual food ways. No, I do not condone violence!!!

True story.

Biggest bullshit post in TERB history. So what you're saying is that they were trying to eat a cat? Please tell us all what race they were so you can look like a bigger fool then you do now.

 

[toughb]

Welcome and thank you for your post...

FOR YOUR INFO

Those coverings are called debutta, They wear these covers for respect of there family and husbins. To them it is about respect! you respect yourself and your family. By not covering you are choiceing to show your face and by covering your choice is to be respected. But we dont study enough about other cultures so that is why we are closed minded as a soicity. Bad on you for being so rude.... This is culture respect it and they will respect you.... dosent mean you have to wear it , just understand another point of view instead...

Live your life but understanding is most important..!!!!

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Wearing a mask is not tolerated by law in Canada. It has nothing to do with respect. It has everything to do with Canada.

Canadians are not closed minded. We are, arguably, the most tolerant society in the world. But this is changing.

"Bad on you for being so rude." You do not tell Canadians how to react! You do not chastise us. Try and remember you chose Canada. Why? Don't abuse the privilege!!!!!!!!!!!

Read all the posts. I hope you'll get the point.

And it doesn't take too much intelligence to use spell check!!!!!!!

 

[Meaculpa]

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[Aardvark154]

Yes. And they have bigots there too, who will demand you do as they do or leave. But the rest of them will be polite enough to try to speak english.

For how long: months, years, centuries? We're not writing of tourism but rather immigration.

Where were you when those earlier lousy immigrants were forcing their evil ways on us? Now I actually like sushi, have my own capuccino machine, can't go a week w/o pizza, or pakoras. And don't talk to me about pasta or perogies. Or apple strudel. I love phad thai, was brought up on egg rolls, go to German, Italian and Russian opera.

I enjoy most of these things as well. However, those that brought them here in the 19th century and most of the last century didn't insist on refusing to accommodate they did accommodate and enriched all of us by it.

 

[fuji]

(1) Walking away from a Police officer when he orders you to stop is called failing to abide by the orders of a police officer and is an arrestable offence.

Correct. But they CAN'T order you to do anything without grounds. I've been telling you that, but you're to thick to get it.

it also says in the guidebook that to fail to do so could arouse suspicion and cause the police to want to investigate further

It COULD, but generally doesn't. However, YOU don't know what they know (ie: they may have grounds you don't know about).

which can be interpreted as meaning arresting you, detaining you, questioning you further and at length, etc and the book simply states why you SHOULD identify yourself to the police officer.

They need more than you walking the other way to do all of that. If they stand up in front of a judge and say they did all that just because you didn't identify yourself they'll catch bloody hell.

Now if they had ADDITIONAL grounds, like someone who looks a lot like you just robbed a store nearby, THAT would likely cause them to interpret your refusal to identify yourself as suspicious, and so on.

Anyway...

Even given all of that in NO CIRCUMSTANCE are you required to show them photo id. "Identify yourself" just means tell them your name, and possibly address.

 

[toughb]

The only fool is you...

Biggest bullshit post in TERB history. So what you're saying is that they were trying to eat a cat? Please tell us all what race they were so you can look like a bigger fool then you do now.

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Is that straight forward enough for you!

I omitted the race on purpose to not cause too much of a rumble. The point stands that there are cultures in Canada that eat foods we do not condone.

I said "true story". What's your problem. I don't lie! Do you?

 

[oldjones]

For how long: months, years, centuries? We're not writing of tourism but rather immigration.

I enjoy most of these things as well. However, those that brought them here in the 19th century and most of the last century didn't insist on refusing to accommodate they did accommodate and enriched all of us by it.

You can not speak Norwegian in Norway as long as you want. As I said: polite people will try to communicate, bigots will tell you where to go.

And the only people refusing to accommodate in the Quebec instance were the bigotted bozos who threatened to disrupt the election. No one else.

As for your 'earlier accommodating immigrants', are you sure those Greek guys in their frilly short skirts and pompom shoes who closed the Danforth and forced me to drive 'way round weren't refusing to accommodate. At least for that afternoon.

When Afghani lambroast restaurants are the next foodie craze, you can tell me how these new immigrants aren't contributing.

Everybody's different. This stuff is a form of conversation. Smart folks keep the dialogue going, and as you say, are enriched by it. The bozos with their lines in the sand and "our way and the highway", can only impoverish us as they try to drag us all down to their fearful sameness.

 

[Aardvark154]

You can not speak Norwegian in Norway as long as you want. As I said: polite people will try to communicate, bigots will tell you where to go.

I'm not sure that you're right about this, certainly in the Netherlands you wouldn't be.

Everybody's different. This stuff is a form of conversation. Smart folks keep the dialogue going

This I believe is pretty much on the money. The problem is that it has to be a dialogue from the Imigrant side as well and not simply a list of demands that the larger society to which they have immigrated "must" conform.

 

[Back Burner]

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Is that straight forward enough for you!

I omitted the race on purpose to not cause too much of a rumble. The point stands that there are cultures in Canada that eat foods we do not condone.

I said "true story". What's your problem. I don't lie! Do you?

Oh I see now. So your "friend" notices someone luring his cat like a hunter. So he assumes they're going to try and eat the cat? This is why he jumped over a 6' fence? Then they admit to him, "why yes, we were trying to eat your cat" So your friend punched him? (Or was it a her?) And all is well again and everyone goes to bed. Some go to bed hungry.

Like I said. You're full of shit.

 

[oldjones]

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Is that straight forward enough for you!

I omitted the race on purpose to not cause too much of a rumble. The point stands that there are cultures in Canada that eat foods we do not condone.

I said "true story". What's your problem. I don't lie! Do you?

There certainly are. Like boiled sheep's stomach, stuffed w/ sheep's lungs*. Trouble is you're trying to make a point with ZERO facts—beyond two cats, a tall fence and the height and weight of your bully buddy. Saying "I don't lie" does not cut it as authority, as most of us learned before Grade school.

Details or this supposed horror if you hope to actually make some sort of point, or give it up.

PS: Only a racist would care what 'race' the bully's victim was, so don't worry about a "rumble". What matters are any actual facts that might excuse your thug bud, or get him off an assault charge. Recipe book open to "Cat", butchering chart showing best KittyKuts on wall, that sort of thing.

Details of the boiled sheep's stomach otherwise known as haggis

 

[toughb]

Ah my PlayStation2 friend...

Oh I see now. So your "friend" notices someone luring his cat like a hunter. So he assumes they're going to try and eat the cat? This is why he jumped over a 6' fence? Then they admit to him, "why yes, we were trying to eat your cat" So your friend punched him? (Or was it a her?) And all is well again and everyone goes to bed. Some go to bed hungry.

Like I said. You're full of shit.

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"You're full of shit" - Pretty pathetic. Needed to use profanity. Couldn't get your point across any other way. Too bad. Truth is the truth.

Good night sweetheart.

 

[oldjones]

I'm not sure that you're right about this, certainly in the Netherlands you wouldn't be.

This I believe is pretty much on the money. The problem is that it has to be a dialogue from the Imigrant side as well and not simply a list of demands that the larger society to which they have immigrated "must" conform.

You can cite this Dutch Law forcing you to speak Dutch? And produce this "list of demands" from the immigrants?

In the Quebec instance, the only demand was from the bozos insisting that veil wearing citizen be denied the vote, when the Chief Electoral Offiucer had said it was OK. That sure seems like a reasonable dialogue between the authority and the voters concerned, hijacked by those who demand the larger societyconform with their prejudice.

 

[Aardvark154]

You can cite this Dutch Law forcing you to speak Dutch? And produce this "list of demands" from the immigrants?.

Yes "forcing" new immigrants to learn Dutch

In the Quebec instance, the only demand was from the bozos insisting that veil wearing citizen be denied the vote

Then count me in with the bozos.

 

[iluvquarks]

Ok let's get back to the topic at hand: Whether or not one's religious beliefs supercede those of the country they are living in or emigrating to.

So basically we're talking about where to draw the line. Obviously Fuji doesn't want any lines drawn because that would impact one's right to practise their beliefs. So, with that being said I guess we should allow the following:

1) There are cultures in Africa that still practice female circumsision whereby they scrape away the vulva and clitoris with a sharp edged object while others hold her down without the benefit of an anesthetic.

2) As stated above Muslim men treat their women like domestic animals

3) Is it the seventh day adventists that don't allow blood transfusions? (sorry, I forget which religion that is)

4) Sikhs wish to wear their ceremonial daggers in public

5) Sikhs don't have to wear hardhats on construction sites

6) Everyone should stop eating cows because Hindu's worship them

7) No one should eat pork because according to many religions they are "unclean" animals

8) Thaiwanese and many other asian cultures embrace child protitution. So we should allow them to practice that here?

9) Many african cultures embrace ethnic cleansing. So, if they don't want any christians around we MUST allow them to practice their beliefs

I could go on but I think you get my point. There are many religious practices that don't go against our laws or societal standards but should we allow those that do for, as Fuji says, to allow them to integrate them into our society? Sorry, a line has to be drawn somewhere and one was drawn. Whether we agree or not is irrelevant.

My thought is if you want to allow ALL ethnic or religious practises might I suggest you run for government office on that platform that you think we should allow the above. I bet you don't get 1 vote.

What the heck happened here??? I can't believe this thread has gotten WAY out of hand. The issue was 1: The Chief Electoral Officer okays veil wearing citizens to vote and there was an uproar. How the hell did that morph into asian eating, african circumcising, racist cab driving rants? I've asked and asked and yet no one has yet to answer how a citizen asking to vote while being covered impacts on YOUR freedom and YOUR beliefs?

As for your above post:
1. Female circumcision is illegal in Canada and condemned by many many parts of the world. Why are you bringing this up in a thread about voting with a veil?
2. "Muslim men treating women like domestic animals"??? By not saying some or a few, you're implying ALL Muslim men treat women like this. Complete false statement.

I can't even go on with the rest of your post. It's extremely xenophobic and in most cases NOT true. For pete's sake "Thaiwanese and other asian cultures embrace child prostitution??? ARe you nuts?? How can any asian not find this offensive especially since it is NOT true. "Many african cultures embrace ethnic cleansing"??? I'm completely stunned by this statement.

 

[arotkca2]

I don't know how some of the Muslims can stand it in North America. All these unclean women, Alcohol at 7-11, Strip Joints beside Tim Hortons.... All this deviancy. They must be constantly thinking about getting away from here.
hmmmm

What with the new airbus coming soon, they will all be able to vacate the country faster.

 

[papasmerf]

FOR YOUR INFO

Those coverings are called debutta, They wear these covers for respect of there family and husbins. To them it is about respect! you respect yourself and your family. By not covering you are choiceing to show your face and by covering your choice is to be respected. But we dont study enough about other cultures so that is why we are closed minded as a soicity. Bad on you for being so rude.... This is culture respect it and they will respect you.... dosent mean you have to wear it , just understand another point of view instead...

Live your life but understanding is most important..!!!!

WOW, so you would support Christian Missions opening in islamic countries? You would be in favor of your children and family choosing to learn about Christianity?

 

[oldjones]

Yes "forcing" new immigrants to learn Dutch

Then count me in with the bozos.

Done long ago.

 

[Aardvark154]

The ADQ's performance yesterday seems to comment on this thread.

 

[tboy]

What the heck happened here??? I can't believe this thread has gotten WAY out of hand. The issue was 1: The Chief Electoral Officer okays veil wearing citizens to vote and there was an uproar. How the hell did that morph into asian eating, african circumcising, racist cab driving rants? I've asked and asked and yet no one has yet to answer how a citizen asking to vote while being covered impacts on YOUR freedom and YOUR beliefs?

As for your above post:
1. Female circumcision is illegal in Canada and condemned by many many parts of the world. Why are you bringing this up in a thread about voting with a veil?
2. "Muslim men treating women like domestic animals"??? By not saying some or a few, you're implying ALL Muslim men treat women like this. Complete false statement.

I can't even go on with the rest of your post. It's extremely xenophobic and in most cases NOT true. For pete's sake "Thaiwanese and other asian cultures embrace child prostitution??? ARe you nuts?? How can any asian not find this offensive especially since it is NOT true. "Many african cultures embrace ethnic cleansing"??? I'm completely stunned by this statement.

LOL you love that word xenophobic don't you? Do you try and fit that into a conversation daily? Is that like your "pet" word?

1) I bring up ALL those valid points in order to draw attention to where we, as Canadians (and by that I mean any Canadian Citizen or one of Landed Immigrant Status) should draw the line with religious practices.
2) Why is female circumcision banned? Because we don't allow this particular custom to be practiced here. Why? other than the fact that it is brutal and dehumanizing and whatever other adjective you want to use it is on a basic level NO different than any other religious belief or ethnic practice.
3) As for asians being offended by the TRUE statement about child prostitution I am GLAD asians would find this offensive. Maybe then the practice would stop but of course it won't, because it still goes on today. (FYI: I use the word child to describe anyone under 17/18ish). Are you trying to tell me that it DOESN'T go on? Get your head out of the sand if you are...
4) As for the Muslim men statement I just copied the exerpt what was posted from the Koran. In that exerpt it doesn't say "some of you". It says you (inferring men). If you don't like it, then take it up with Muslims or the author of the Koran.
5) As for ethnic cleansing: I am glad you're stunned (in more ways than one) I for one am appalled that this still goes on in 2007. But nethertheless it happens. If you're so upset about it why not do something to stop it? If you don't believe me read up on a little known place called Ruwanda. You might learn something.

As for me being xenophobic (your favourite word, do you get a woody everytime you read or write it?) I can say I am ONLY xenophobic about practices by other cultures that go against my moral standards.

To be quite frank about it for those cultures that eat dogs and cats, while I hate the "thought" of it, I don't condone them for it. Hell, we eat cattle which are held in high regard by other cultures so who are we to say you're wrong and we're right?

How all this relates to the topic at hand is this: The basic topic here is one culture's practice being overturned by an electoral body and whether or not it should have been. As examples of other cultural practices that have been banned I cited the above. If you can't see the correlation then that's your problem not mine.

The point I am trying to make is that this is Canada. Here we have many rights and freedoms not found in many parts of the world. Being Canadian means that I have the RIGHT to accept some, all, or no religious or ethnic practices of other cultures. What that means is I can accept one practice by one religion and not another by the same religion. That is called freedom of choice.

 

[iluvquarks]

LOL you love that word xenophobic don't you? Do you try and fit that into a conversation daily? Is that like your "pet" word?

1) I bring up ALL those valid points in order to draw attention to where we, as Canadians (and by that I mean any Canadian Citizen or one of Landed Immigrant Status) should draw the line with religious practices.
2) Why is female circumcision banned? Because we don't allow this particular custom to be practiced here. Why? other than the fact that it is brutal and dehumanizing and whatever other adjective you want to use it is on a basic level NO different than any other religious belief or ethnic practice.
3) As for asians being offended by the TRUE statement about child prostitution I am GLAD asians would find this offensive. Maybe then the practice would stop but of course it won't, because it still goes on today. (FYI: I use the word child to describe anyone under 17/18ish). Are you trying to tell me that it DOESN'T go on? Get your head out of the sand if you are...
4) As for the Muslim men statement I just copied the exerpt what was posted from the Koran. In that exerpt it doesn't say "some of you". It says you (inferring men). If you don't like it, then take it up with Muslims or the author of the Koran.
5) As for ethnic cleansing: I am glad you're stunned (in more ways than one) I for one am appalled that this still goes on in 2007. But nethertheless it happens. If you're so upset about it why not do something to stop it? If you don't believe me read up on a little known place called Ruwanda. You might learn something.

As for me being xenophobic (your favourite word, do you get a woody everytime you read or write it?) I can say I am ONLY xenophobic about practices by other cultures that go against my moral standards.

To be quite frank about it for those cultures that eat dogs and cats, while I hate the "thought" of it, I don't condone them for it. Hell, we eat cattle which are held in high regard by other cultures so who are we to say you're wrong and we're right?

How all this relates to the topic at hand is this: The basic topic here is one culture's practice being overturned by an electoral body and whether or not it should have been. As examples of other cultural practices that have been banned I cited the above. If you can't see the correlation then that's your problem not mine.

The point I am trying to make is that this is Canada. Here we have many rights and freedoms not found in many parts of the world. Being Canadian means that I have the RIGHT to accept some, all, or no religious or ethnic practices of other cultures. What that means is I can accept one practice by one religion and not another by the same religion. That is called freedom of choice.

Thank you for showing how completely ignorant and out to lunch you truly are. Child prostitution is NOT legal in any parts of asia or the world. How can you say it is embraced in asia? Complete idiotic statement.

Everyone is aware of ethnic cleansing that happened in Rwanda, former Yugoslavia, Nazi Germany done by a subset of the population (e.g. the military) and hell I'm pretty sure the KKK wouldn't mind some ethnic cleansing if they had the choice. But to draw a conclusion that a whole culture embraces it when so many have suffered shows you're a complete moron.

You're either trying to rile people up with your statements or if not, well, your posts speak for itself. I don't even need to add to it because your assumptions and conclusions that you draw from little bits of information is just plain stupid.