Finally, a subway plan!

[Moviefan-2]

In a democracy we don't put aside candidates. Anyone qualified and nominated gets to run. I voted in our municipal democracy, not your personal version of it.

Your version amounts to, no matter who you think best, you can only vote for the three—why three pray tell?—who you say are the most popular. Who made you King? Or whoever judged this popularity contest of yours?

Anyway, it isn't anything I'd want to encourage. And fortunately, our system is different. You oughta try it. Anything on the topic? Or of general interest? Or of any interest at all? Your one-man electoral system doesn't qualify. Nor for that matter does how I voted.

What utter rubbish.

You can vote for whoever you wish. However, if you're going to call people "fools" for voting for Ford, you should be able to name someone who you think was a better candidate. And it should be from the list of candidates who were actually in the race. That disqualifies Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, and many others.

You can't do it.

The person you say you voted for had already dropped out of the race (http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/0...-out-of-mayoral-race-backs-george-smitherman/).

Of the three non-fringe candidates who were still in the race -- Ford, Smitherman and Pantalone -- you couldn't find anyone to support who was better than Ford.

So why are the people who voted for Ford "fools" if -- by your own back-handed admission -- there was no one better?

 

[Ref]

I have lost count and track of all of these plans and scams.

Next month it will be a mono-rail, no wait, the fabulous furry fat brothers already have that penciled in for the waterfront Vegas world.

I think Karen's next prediction will be for a new flying subway. Costs should be lower because there will be no need for rails, but it will require new stations to be built on top of buildings. Ford will naturally reject the idea saying it is full of hot air and quickly propose a series of moving sidewalks to be built through-out the city. Then Adam Vaughn will step in and propose that all subways and buses to be shut down in favor of horse drawn carriages and hay wagons.

Eventually it is the year 2020 and yet another blowhard municipal politician is spouting off on another glorious transit plan - As a consultant, these are good times...

 

[fuji]

In a democracy we don't put aside candidates. Anyone qualified and nominated gets to run. I voted in our municipal democracy, not your personal version of it.

Your version amounts to, no matter who you think best, you can only vote for the three—why three pray tell?—who you say are the most popular. Who made you King? Or whoever judged this popularity contest of yours?

Anyway, it isn't anything I'd want to encourage. And fortunately, our system is different. You oughta try it. Anything on the topic? Or of general interest? Or of any interest at all? Your one-man electoral system doesn't qualify. Nor for that matter does how I voted.

So cut to the chase. Who did you vote for, for mayor?

 

[Moviefan-2]

So cut to the chase. Who did you vote for, for mayor?

In another thread, he said he voted for Sarah Thomson -- who had dropped out of the race before election day.

 

[basketcase]

The current lines are all jammed, so apparently quite a few.. also the 404/DVP, 400 south and all east and west highways are utterly jammed at rush hour. Where do you suppose all those people are going?

If you need a full explanation of my post, in response to oagre's post, I asked a very leading question saying exactly what fuji's response to me said yet in a more subtle way. Even simpler, subway is used heavily by those outside the core.

 

[fuji]

In another thread, he said he voted for Sarah Thomson -- who had dropped out of the race before election day.

Was her name still on the ballot? Generally it would be. The person stops campaigning but the ballots are printed with the original list of candidates.

 

[Moviefan-2]

Was her name still on the ballot? Generally it would be. The person stops campaigning but the ballots are printed with the original list of candidates.

Yes, her name was still on the ballot but she wasn't in the race.

 

[oldjones]

Yes, her name was still on the ballot but she wasn't in the race.

If her name was on the ballot she was in the race, and would have been named to the office (from which she might or might not have resigned) had she won. That is the law. And in my opinion, she represented the best choice for the City, better than anyone else, which made that a vote worth casting even as a sort of protest. Last I heard any vote for any reason still counts.

You can't have it both ways Fan. There is no way to twist logic so it's OK for you to despise my choice and but but not for me to form an opinion of the mass who ignored Ford's record and voted for him anyway. That's all just opinion. Whatever my wisdom or lack of it, it's not the topic here. Start a thread about it in the oldjones Forum if you want,; it would still be just one voter's decision amongst hundreds of thousands, and a pointlessly personal discussion that would only interest you.

Suggesting, as you did, that one should only vote for predicted winners, which I see as an indefensible perversion of democracy; now that's a worthy topic of some general interest. However it has zero to do with subways, so I'll look for a note about your new thread, if you have a position to put forward.

But in case you've not noticed; others are talking about the topic.

 

[fuji]

Yes, her name was still on the ballot but she wasn't in the race.

What do you mean she was not in the race? She wasn't likely to win, but that's different.

 

[Moviefan-2]

You can't have it both ways Fan. There is no way to twist logic so it's OK for you to despise my choice and but but not for me to form an opinion of the mass who ignored Ford's record and voted for him anyway.

I'm not twisting anything. Of the people who were running for mayor, I voted for the best candidate.

You voted for someone who had been in the race but -- on election day -- wasn't running for mayor.

It's funny that you describe a one-time candidate who dropped out of the race as someone who wasn't a "predicted" winner. No, she certainly wasn't. Talk about twisting things.

As for the transit discussion -- I'll have something to say about that, based on today's developments.

 

[Moviefan-2]

What do you mean she was not in the race? She wasn't likely to win, but that's different.

Let's be more precise. What you mean to ask is what did Sarah Thomson "mean" when she said she wasn't in the race:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/0...-out-of-mayoral-race-backs-george-smitherman/

In Sarah's own words:

Today, I am beginning a new opportunity for the city, by ending my campaign for mayor of Toronto.

I think the words "ending my campaign" are pretty clear.

 

[Anbarandy]

let's be more precise. What you mean to ask is what did sarah thomson "mean" when she said she wasn't in the race:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/0...-out-of-mayoral-race-backs-george-smitherman/

in sarah's own words:



I think the words "ending my campaign" are pretty clear.

wow!

 

[fuji]

I think the words "ending my campaign" are pretty clear.

So do I. You seem to be the only one here who has trouble understanding what they mean, and that they don't mean she wasn't in the race.

 

[Moviefan-2]

So do I. You seem to be the only one here who has trouble understanding what they mean, and that they don't mean she wasn't in the race.

????

 

[fuji]

????

You appear not to know what the word "campaign" means. You can be on the ballot without campaigning, and you can even win--just ask Ruth Ellen Brosseau. Clearly, Brosseau was in the race, but equally clearly, she wasn't campaigning.

 

[Moviefan-2]

You appear not to know what the word "campaign" means. You can be on the ballot without campaigning, and you can even win--just ask Ruth Ellen Brosseau. Clearly, Brosseau was in the race, but equally clearly, she wasn't campaigning.

You don't seem to know what the word "ending" means. It means her bid to be mayor would not be continuing.

Brosseau didn't do much (if any) campaigning in her riding but she was the NDP's candidate on election day.

By contrast, Thomson ended her campaign and told her supporters to vote for Smitherman. While it was too late to change the names on the ballot, she said she was out of the race.

In terms of Sarah Thomson's intentions, I'll take her word over yours.