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Good.
Apparently they're asking all Crown Corporations to follow suite. I heard some employment law expert (Howard Levitz) a few weeks ago saying any company could insist on mandatory vaccinations and be legally allowed to fire people who don't. Mind you, I've also heard other legal experts say a company cannot legally ask for this sort of thing, so there is a grey area. That being said, kids are required to show proof of vaccination to attend school, so I don't think its as legally challenging as some think it might be.
I just know that if we don't really push the remaining 30 or so percent of people to get the jab, we face a bigger threat of new variants that could be deadlier than delta and vaccine resistant. If we ever want to end this shit, we need to get the vast majority of people the shot (something like 95%).
Apparently they're asking all Crown Corporations to follow suite. I heard some employment law expert (Howard Levitz) a few weeks ago saying any company could insist on mandatory vaccinations and be legally allowed to fire people who don't. Mind you, I've also heard other legal experts say a company cannot legally ask for this sort of thing, so there is a grey area. That being said, kids are required to show proof of vaccination to attend school, so I don't think its as legally challenging as some think it might be.
I just know that if we don't really push the remaining 30 or so percent of people to get the jab, we face a bigger threat of new variants that could be deadlier than delta and vaccine resistant. If we ever want to end this shit, we need to get the vast majority of people the shot (something like 95%).
The problem is that these folks even after they have been terminated will still be walking among us until they catch COVID and nature takes its course. It's not like we can ship them to "leper island" or Toronto Island where they can't infect innocents.
You're right. But, the threat of termination could persuade them to get the jab. Honestly, I'm getting very frustrated with the anti-vaxxers. They are ruining it for us all. If new variants spring up, we'll likely need to go back into a lockdown again. And polls are showing more and more people are getting angry at them as well...
Maybe forcing a vaccine passport a la France could help as well. If they can't go into businesses like restaurants or stores, it could be harder for them to spread the virus...
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the majority of spreading and hospitalizations in Israel is done by the double vaxed. We're just about 4-6 months behind them. The vaccine passports are useless when it comes to spread of covid...without daily tests, contact tracing and individual isolation.
Efficacy for double vaxxed has gone from the advertised 94% protection for asymptomatic infections against the then-dominant Alpha variant, to as low as 64% against the now-dominant Delta variant.
That's why Israel is offering booster shots to everyone over 50. It should be noted, unvaccinated are still 5 to 6 times as likely to end up seriously ill.
The Oracle
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The efficacy of Pfizer in Israel went down to 39%. Yeah, you're reading it right.
Some may be stubborn, but I feel many will value their cushy, benefit laden gov't job over anti-vax dogma. Many people will succumb to the coercion, which is hardly Nazi like. Talk about hyperbole.
You should be a clickbait headline writer. While 39% may be true, it doesn't tell the whole story.
"Pfizer and BioNTech’s Covid-19 vaccine is just 39% effective in Israel where the delta variant is the dominant strain, according to a new report from the country’s Health Ministry.
The two-dose vaccine still works very well in preventing people from getting seriously sick, demonstrating 88% effectiveness against hospitalization and 91% effectiveness against severe illness, according to the Israeli data."
I've never said otherwise. All those things you said are most likely true, too. Although the jury is still out on several issues. BUT(did you know that "but" has a negative/opposite connotation? I know, I'm a bit drunk right now). BUT, this is a thread on covid passports. And since it is an actual FACT that the double vaxed are carriers and spreaders of covid, without constant testings the passport is of no value. Stop and think, that's all I'm asking.
Ontario to mandate all hospital workers to be vaccinated. Mandates are coming and by mid September anyone not vaccinated is in store for a rough ride and I can't wait.
www.thepeterboroughexaminer.com
Ontario to mandate vaccines for hospital workers, give booster shots to the vulnerable, and halt further reopening
Ontario will mandate vaccines for hospital and long-term care workers and begin targeted COVID-19 booster shots while keeping current pandemic restrictions indefinitely, the Star has learned.
canada-man
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Statement regarding announcement that feds require vaccination for air, rail and marine travellers, federal employees
POSTED ON: AUGUST 13, 2021
Today’s announcement from the increasingly aggressive Trudeau government regarding vaccine passports and travel is deeply concerning to the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms. The full implications of widespread vaccine mandates not yet known, but this much is certain: they will divide society. Those persons who cannot or choose not to be vaccinated for Covid-19, as is their fundamental right, will be segregated and denied a normal existence.
They will be vilified in the media and by government, ostracized by society and ultimately persecuted. Those who defend them will be censored, silenced, and punished.
This is what a totalitarian society looks like: restriction of information (Bill C-36 for example), restrictions on the right to travel and cross regional boundaries, and segregation and persecution of dissenters.
The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is intended to ensure a “free and democratic society”. This includes the right to choose to receive or not receive a new vaccine, the right to travel interprovincially and internationally, and the rights of citizens to criticize and voice concerns about coercive government measures.
The Justice Centre is carefully monitoring and reviewing these developments and will continue to defend the freedoms of Canadians through litigation. We are actively investigating and gathering appropriate fact situations for potential litigation.
Statement regarding announcement that feds require vaccination for air, rail and marine travellers, federal employees | Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms (jccf.ca)
POSTED ON: AUGUST 13, 2021
Today’s announcement from the increasingly aggressive Trudeau government regarding vaccine passports and travel is deeply concerning to the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms. The full implications of widespread vaccine mandates not yet known, but this much is certain: they will divide society. Those persons who cannot or choose not to be vaccinated for Covid-19, as is their fundamental right, will be segregated and denied a normal existence.
They will be vilified in the media and by government, ostracized by society and ultimately persecuted. Those who defend them will be censored, silenced, and punished.
This is what a totalitarian society looks like: restriction of information (Bill C-36 for example), restrictions on the right to travel and cross regional boundaries, and segregation and persecution of dissenters.
The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is intended to ensure a “free and democratic society”. This includes the right to choose to receive or not receive a new vaccine, the right to travel interprovincially and internationally, and the rights of citizens to criticize and voice concerns about coercive government measures.
The Justice Centre is carefully monitoring and reviewing these developments and will continue to defend the freedoms of Canadians through litigation. We are actively investigating and gathering appropriate fact situations for potential litigation.
Statement regarding announcement that feds require vaccination for air, rail and marine travellers, federal employees | Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms (jccf.ca)
"they will divide society. Those persons who cannot or choose not to be vaccinated for Covid-19, as is their fundamental right, will be segregated and denied a normal existence."
COVID is already dividing society. Those unvaccinated are much more likely to contract the infection. Those vaccinated are much more likely not to.
Didn't we already had the same debate with smoking? Those who insist on smoking are denied admittance to various places whereas non-smokers are not.
COVID is already dividing society. Those unvaccinated are much more likely to contract the infection. Those vaccinated are much more likely not to.
Didn't we already had the same debate with smoking? Those who insist on smoking are denied admittance to various places whereas non-smokers are not.
And they will very likely lose any litigation they launch as public health measures which protect the majority of society are allowed by law and are to be encouraged as some people just aren't prepared to do the right thing usually based on delusional beliefs and a warped perspective of protecting their "freedoms" while endangering the health of others.
The majority of Canadians have already shown their support by getting vaccinated and don't need or want a wacko fringe group like the "Justice Centre" doing anything on their behalf.
canada-man
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CHARTER OF RIGHTS & FREEDOMS states:
“Every citizen of Canada has right to enter, remain in & leave Canada..to move to, and take up residence in any province..to pursue gaining of a livelihood in any province”
“Every citizen of Canada has right to enter, remain in & leave Canada..to move to, and take up residence in any province..to pursue gaining of a livelihood in any province”
