Federal Budget

[oldjones]

To paraphrase the NDP: "Income splitting only helps those who have income to split. Does nothing for people with no income." BTW: I know a few single mothers who are working professionals with handsome incomes. No, they don't all work for governments.

Yeah, income-splitting has nothing to do with the children. They don't get a split; they're just the chrome that sells this luxury yacht. Or the sound bite that makes it sound like a family putt-putt.

It's a way of giving well-to-do spouses a bit of a tax break for having their partner stay home. Or at least report no significant income. End of story. Nothing in it for single parents carrying both sides of the financial load, nothing in it for the childless even when only one can earn. And nothing for parents who are only barely making ends meet, because they're both working.

 

[Insidious Von]

There you go again, the liberal's continue to tank the Ontario economy by pulling billions out of people's pockets all the while spending more than they take in and you go defending them. One gov't is back in the black and another is firmly in the red with no real plan of how to get out of the red except hope that oil, interest rates and the dollar stay low and the U.S. Economy heats up, none of which they have any control over. Wow!! now there's an economic blueprint for you.

Defending who, my naive young friend.

I'm not a liberal I'm a realist, I'll put any party's feet to the fire that lies to me. Wynne didn't win the election, Darth Whoddat lost it. And I've always said that David Peterson was Ontario's worst Premiere.

Selling Hydro could become a colossal fubar. Our power line array is antiquated most of it is in desperate need of replacement. Currently even the slightest inclement weather causes power outages, now was not the time to dump and run. If the private entity that buys it goes into Ballard mode we're going to take it up the ass with Shaq's fist. Realist enough for you.

I'm beginning to develop a strong dislike for Kathleen Wynne.

 

[omegaphallic]

The irony is Wynne won fighting Hudak's million jobs plan, which promised to cut 100,000 public service jobs mostly by Attrishion (I misspelled that), and now is basically doing the exact same thing.

Most Progressive budget my ass.

Harper's budget is just as bad. Ontario's only hope is Mulcair and Horwath.

 

[Marcus1027]

Where do you see Harper balancing anything?

You are so obtuse!! How can you in good conscience compare a 1.4 billion surplus with a 9 billion deficit? The sooner you admit Wynne & Co are a trainwreck and that it will take a generation to undo the damage they've inflicted on the province the better you'll feel.

 

[Marcus1027]

Defending who, my naive young friend.

I'm not a liberal I'm a realist, I'll put any party's feet to the fire that lies to me. Wynne didn't win the election, Darth Whoddat lost it. And I've always said that David Peterson was Ontario's worst Premiere.

Selling Hydro could become a colossal fubar. Our power line array is antiquated most of it is in desperate need of replacement. Currently even the slightest inclement weather causes power outages, now was not the time to dump and run. If the private entity that buys it goes into Ballard mode we're going to take it up the ass with Shaq's fist. Realist enough for you.

I'm beginning to develop a strong dislike for Kathleen Wynne.

I disliked her enough that I pulled up stakes and moved back to Calgary, Ontario is in for some grim times ahead under Wynne and that smug Sousa.

 

[fuji]

You are so obtuse!! How can you in good conscience compare a 1.4 billion surplus with a 9 billion deficit? The sooner you admit Wynne & Co are a trainwreck and that it will take a generation to undo the damage they've inflicted on the province the better you'll feel.

The feds don't have a surplus. They are doing the equivalent of selling off your retirement savings in order to pay the mortgage and then claiming that is "balanced". It is not balanced. They are running a big deficit but claiming it is balanced because they cashed in a contingency fund rather than borrow.

 

[ogibowt]

Harris has been gone for 14 yrs for Christ sakes, the Ontario Liberals have had all that time to make changes and they've done nothing constructive. Time to stop blaming Harris for shit the Liberals won't fix.

but i would hazard a guess, that you would slag Bob Rae if you felt it was apprpriate

 

[ogibowt]

If single mothers need money, why don't they go after the fathers of their kids. Why should I pay for other people's bad life choices?

oh, other people bad choices?..i guess you mean giant lending institutions, like Fanny Mae, or investment firms like Lehman Bros......but ya single mothers sure would drain the economy..

 

[Frankfooter]

but i would hazard a guess, that you would slag Bob Rae if you felt it was apprpriate

Its a shame we've gotten to the point that some people will support an action by their party, but if the opposition does it they won't.
Its the same with the political parties, they work hard to disagree with everything to stake their positions but can't seem to support opposition moves they agree with.

 

[JohnLarue]

To paraphrase the NDP: "Income splitting only helps those who have income to split. Does nothing for people with no income." BTW: I know a few single mothers who are working professionals with handsome incomes. No, they don't all work for governments.

People with no income do not benefit from any tax cuts, because they do not pay taxes
Were you hoping for a multi-billion programs funding single mothers?

It is best if people are scared shitless of being poor, it tends to motivate people to make sound life choices, gain marketable skills & work hard to avoid poverty.

Taxes are to fund essential government services, like health, education, law enforcement and infrastructure, not to drive left wing social addenda's such as eliminating inequality.
We are taxed to the max (> 50% by multiple tax grabs and multiple levels of governments). Any tax breaks for any Canadian should be welcome.

BTW: Quoting the NDP tends to discredit anything you add afterwards

 

[JohnLarue]

Its a shame we've gotten to the point that some people will support an action by their party, but if the opposition does it they won't.
Its the same with the political parties, they work hard to disagree with everything to stake their positions but can't seem to support opposition moves they agree with.

Sort like how you think Harpers balanced budget is about the same as Wynnes $12.5 B deficit budget?
Sorry but your condemnation of partisan politics would carry more weight if you had not previously shown your very biased views.

Although I am pretty right wing in my views, lefties who are able to make a balanced judgement (i.e. they greatly value teachers contribution to society, but understand there are debt and deficit constraints) tend to be far more credible.

 

[JohnLarue]

Maybe you and Harper wants to pay for your 20st century moral convictions. Have you ever considered how much society loses when a child has to grow up without proper nutrition, proper schooling and without activities all other children can partake of. You would rather pay for a maladjusted, poorly educated citizen for a lifetime than provide adequate welfare to a single mother so she can raise her children to be productive individuals.

Talk about bad choices; yours is a bad as they come.

A life choice that ensures not one but two lives will be dependant upon welfare is not a good choice at all.
While some wind up in this situation through circumstances generally beyond their control (i.e deadbeat dads or violent dads), a welfare state just encourages more to make bad choices.

 

[Frankfooter]

Sort like how you think Harpers balanced budget is about the same as Wynnes $12.5 B deficit budget?
Sorry but your condemnation of partisan politics would carry more weight if you had not previously shown your very biased views.

Although I am pretty right wing in my views, lefties who are able to make a balanced judgement (i.e. they greatly value teachers contribution to society, but understand there are debt and deficit constraints) tend to be far more credible.

If you are all about balanced budget, did you cheer for Paul Martin and cus Harper for his years of deficit?
Which did you like better, the Martin surpluses or the Harper deficits?

 

[guelph]

Harris has been gone for 14 yrs for Christ sakes, the Ontario Liberals have had all that time to make changes and they've done nothing constructive. Time to stop blaming Harris for shit the Liberals won't fix.

Harris did a lot of damage that will take years to undo and it is time for the conservatives to stop denying it

 

[saxon]

Harris did a lot of damage that will take years to undo and it is time for the conservatives to stop denying it

So what have the Liberals been doing the last 14 yrs?

 

[guelph]

So what have the Liberals been doing the last 14 yrs?

Trying to make corrections without increasing taxes -- Harris team including most of the people currently running for leadership tried hard to tie future governments hands.

 

[Insidious Von]

I disliked her enough that I pulled up stakes and moved back to Calgary, Ontario is in for some grim times ahead under Wynne and that smug Sousa.

So what you're telling me is that you're a quitter not a fighter, Bubba you couldn't run in my world.

Economically Alberta isn't in better shape. The Con's have frittered away your treasure (read my Norway post) for the sake of artificially low taxes. If I lived in Alberta I'd be in a fit of rage over that.

 

[SkyRider]

Economically Alberta isn't in better shape.

So, no more equalization money flowing out of Alberta to the have not provinces? Do we even have any "have" provinces anymore?

 

[FAST]

So, no more equalization money flowing out of Alberta to the have not provinces? Do we even have any "have" provinces anymore?

Another good reason to state that comparing a country to a province in a country,... is really dumb.

FAST

 

[fuji]

Another good reason to state that comparing a country to a province in a country,... is really dumb.

FAST

Yes. We need to be having a conversation about the share is tax revenue the provinces get versus the federal government. The feds provide fewer services but get more money.

Almost everything people actually care about is provincial: health/OHIP, education from k12 to university, roads, police, transportation, commercial regulation, securities regulation, welfare, workplace safety and standards, food and water safety, the list goes on and on.

And the federal level? Military, post office, and what? A few programs like EI and CPP that arguably intrude into provincial responsibility. Mostly what the feds do is collect the lion's share of tax and then transfer it back to the provinces, making it really easy for them to cut funding while blaming someone else.

Federal tax should be cut in half and provincial tax doubled. That would make a real difference, and the cuts would go to things people care less about then roads and schools.