I still think India is the scarier scenario with people dying in hospital hallways and empty oxygen tanks.
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It was not an anti mask march. it was actually an anti mosque march. close, but no cigar
And when we start to get back to normal many events like dance clubs, sporting events, amusement parks will be for vaccinated people only. They will be protesting that too.
Because they deny that covid exists, they believe in government control conspiracy theories.
Lucky cities across ON have been ticketing those homeless people
I am sure that will stop the spread of Covid
No to the contrary living your life is the goal
We had all kinds of ways to die in 2019, 2018, 2017...
Fuck man this is an ESCORT board
Lots of people on here get sick, some incurable death sentences
The problem is the courts are throwing out the fines or the Crown is dropping them.
See the problem is, if we let the disease burn through the community we will get a lot dead, but also you won’t be able to get into hospital or get care if you get hit by a car, have a heart attack or get cancer. If there are no measures to limit transmission we won’t get our life back, in fact our lives will be hundreds of times worse and the economy way more fucked than it is already. There are already almost 700 people on ventilators with COVID in the province. Even if they don’t die, they are I. For a couple weeks of hell, for them and family, and many will face a long recovery, some will be disabled for years to come.
The whole idea that we can “live our lives” by ignoring the pandemic and taking our chances is a fallacy.
When those activities and events do open up fully, and if they aren't restricted to vaccinated people, anybody who isn't vaccinated and attends will be just asking for Covid!
Well, we just the let science catch up to them, it's as Darwin as it gets.
Always been a fan of Darwin, if only it was the weak and stupid who were dying. Unfortunately it is often the stupid who are surviving after killing the innocent.
A copy & paste from the New York Times today. An interesting experiment in Liverpool, England, and also in Holland. All that was required to attend was a recent negative Covid test.
Covid clubbing |
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Remember clubs? Loud music, sticky floors and a loaded glance across a dance floor? Remember not thinking twice about breathing the same indoor air as strangers? |
One day, perhaps soon, clubs will legally reopen for maskless, indoor parties. On Friday night as part of a scientific trial, around 3,000 people crammed together in a warehouse in Liverpool, England, for a test run. |
The organizers did not entirely throw caution to the wind: Revelers had to show proof of a negative test, linked to their ticket. But once they passed security, there were no requirements to wear a mask, socially distance or even use hand sanitizer. |
“This is down and dirty public health research,” said Iain Buchan of the University of Liverpool, the scientist leading the trial, which also included a pop concert for 5,000 fans in a circus tent and a business conference. |
Prime Minister Boris Johnson hopes to remove all restrictions on social life in England on June 21, including on nightclubs, and organizers wanted to see if people were happy to be tested beforehand and link their status to their tickets. |
In March, Dutch researchers ran a similar trial involving 1,300 partygoers. |
“They found the masks lasted five minutes,” Buchan said. “People just threw them off.” |
We may see this in Canada but Canadian health officials will want to see the results of the UK, Dutch and Spanish experiments first.A copy & paste from the New York Times today. An interesting experiment in Liverpool, England, and also in Holland. All that was required to attend was a recent negative Covid test.
Another copy & paste from the New York Times today. Methinks best to get vaccinated, and keep up with booster shots as and when they are available.
Is herd immunity unreachable? |
Our colleague Apoorva Mandavilli has been asking scientists and public health experts when the U.S. might reach herd immunity — the threshold when enough people would be protected from the coronavirus, via vaccines or antibodies, that we could effectively be rid of it. |
What she heard back was stark: Herd immunity is not attainable, at least not in the near future, and perhaps not ever. |
“It was kind of shocking,” Apoorva told us. “Because nobody seemed to have communicated that to the public. We’re all still talking about herd immunity, but the thinking had changed.” |
Experts now think the virus will most likely become a manageable but persistent threat that will circulate in the U.S. for years to come, hospitalizing and killing at least a small number of people. |
There are two main developments that led experts to this growing consensus. The coronavirus is changing rapidly, giving rise to new variants that are much more contagious. And vaccinations are not moving fast enough. |
Early on in the pandemic, the target herd immunity threshold was thought to be 60 to 70 percent of the population. But the more contagious variants pushed that number up to at least 80 percent — and polls show that about 30 percent of Americans are hesitant to get vaccinated. And that does not even begin to address the fact that only a tiny proportion of the world has been vaccinated thus far. |
“Even if the vast majority of Americans are vaccinated, it may not matter if, elsewhere in the world, a variant emerges that can evade the immune system,” Apoorva said. “We are all in this together, so we will never be truly be rid of this virus till the whole world is protected.” |
But reaching herd immunity may not matter in the end. Previously scientists thought that the only way to get rid of the virus or to make it more manageable was to reach that lofty number, until we found out just how “amazingly good the vaccines are,” Apporva said. “They changed the calculus completely.” |
Over the long term — a generation or two — the goal would be to protect the vulnerable and transition the virus to become more like its cousins that cause common colds. |
“Really the writing was on the wall the entire time,” Apoorva said. “Some scientists have been saying that the long-term outcome of the virus is going to be an annoying common cold, which basically means that we won’t get to herd immunity. So it’s really just a shift in thinking, but it doesn’t mean we should despair.” |
It also shouldn’t change our behavior, Apoorva added: “Our goal is still to vaccinate as many people as possible.” |
And they obviously believe that what's happening in India and Brazil is just "fake news" smh.
