Okay so I agree with you that to fully grasp what the officers were thinking we need to see the entire video.the video fails to show the incident prior to the containment.
the suspect resisted arrest as per another members post. this is where all rule go out the door. its survival since the officer has the responsibility to keep the public safe which means keeping his sidearm on his body and not loosing it to the suspect. when a suspect resist arrest the officer is authorized to use any means possible to keep himself and the public safe, especially in the U.S. in canada we do things differently.
if a suspect is handcuffed they will only move them if they have enough bodies(officers) to do it safely. have any of your attempted to escort a full grown man who is pumped on adrenaline/narcotics by yourself? good luck with that. unless they are relaxed and willing to be escorted under their own movement you need bodies. as a by standard they are unable to gauge how much the suspect is struggling unless you are involved in the struggle. even in handcuffs a full grown man can overpower and possibly hurt someone. by applying force and containing the suspect to the ground is the safest way to deal with the incident until the suspect is calm or more officers show. yes there is a second officer but he is containing the crowd and making sure none of the get involved. he is unable to get involved. the second officer would only get involve if the first officer was in peril.
There must be a point in your posting that.
What filed have you seen this used in goof? I would like to see a 300 pound man kneel on your neck for 7 minutes or so while you repeat what you just said. In one breath. It would either squeeze the opiions out of your mouth or silence you. either would be nice.judge however you like.
most certainly a different outcome would have been desired but an incident is never as straight forward as when you watch it from the side lines. police train as best as possible in training scenarios and not real life. in real life situations we react differently than staged.
is it horrible the suspect died, of course. given the situation and the resources they had they handled the situation. shit happens when it comes to a crisis. people believing that during a crisis things should always go to plan is absurd.
if people would like to construed racism caused the death of the suspect by all means believe that. if someone dies and the other person was of a different race who may have been responsible does not automatically equal racism.
could the incident be handle better, of course. most time there is a incident debrief to discuss what happened. will the officers be charged with manslaughter, possibly.
I have seen this used in the field many times and this would be the first case I have heard of resulting in a death.
moral of the story, dont be stupid and resist arrest. a suspect could end up peppered, hit with a baton, tazered, shot or dead.
Point made.Okay so I agree with you that to fully grasp what the officers were thinking we need to see the entire video.
Would also like to see the coroners report to verify the exact cause of death and a toxicology report as well.
But here's where I disagree with you. I can't for the life of me think why the officer needs to have his full weight on the deceased throat for 7 minutes. The man is handcuffed behind his back and completely prone. At this point unless the officer is utterly incompetent he should be able to control him until the cavalry arrives. I find what I just witnessed disturbing and reprehensible. A total disregard for a potentially disastrous outcome.
Unfortunately this is a reoccurring theme with cops all over.Four cops fired. I find that very disturbing. One asshole cop is going to surface from time to time. You have four of them. Not one of them says anything.
One of the big problem with U.S. police forces is the herd mentality. Not one of the other three knuckleheads stood up.
I remember as a teenager being told by a lawyer that he had never seen a cop who had his clients best interests at heart.I don’t trust any of them and only answer with the least amount of information possible, they are not there to help you but to catch you at doing something wrong.
Good point as well and one would definitely assume so.Point made.
But I also wonder if those video tapes were not reviewed by the Chief before the decision to fire was taken. If so, they may not help the cops too much.
I only ever had 3 encounters with cops. No bad experiences to report. I don't mess with them and they don't mess with me. It's not complicated.I remember as a teenager being told by a lawyer that he had never seen a cop who had his clients best interests at heart.
Every encounter I ever had with the police after that I always had his voice in my head.
So yes I have always been polite but curt when dealing with cops.
Context is everything. So in order to put your experience in perspective you could help us out with a description of yourself. How wealthy and important are you, as well?I only ever had 3 encounters with cops. No bad experiences to report. I don't mess with them and they don't mess with me. It's not complicated.
Nothing new, trust me.Terb has reached a new low. Some of you are actually defending this.
My father was ex-military. Naturally, some of his very close friends were other soldiers he served with and trusted.They seem to have this chip on their shoulder and trained arrogance.
I don’t trust any of them and only answer with the least amount of information possible, they are not there to help you but to catch you at doing something wrong.
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2020/05/27/the-boogaloo-movement-is-not-what-you-think/
Far right militia groups discuss using the death to commence a summer of armed clashes w law enforcement in MN.
I always thought "COP" was "Constable on Patrol". Origin in the U.K."A Custodian of Peace (COP)
Then, that would truly be a step in the right direction.Don I am not sure of the percentage these days but the majority of cops in Canada have University degrees. Police departments receive way more applications then positions available.