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Hey, what's up? You went from attacking her debating style to attacking her on a personal level? In debating that's behaviour indicative of someone who is losing, or, has already lost the debate.

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This thread: Deceiving Your Sex Partner Would Be a Crime Under New York Bill

At no time did I make an attempt to personally define Sexual Assault. All I said was " In your opinion, perhaps, but not in the eyes of the law. ". (post #31), which is true. No man with adequate counsel will be convicted of sexual assault where the woman withdraws consent in mid act, for the following reasons:

1) If there are no injuries, AND no witnesses, the police can't even make an arrest, because there is no evidence that an assault took place.

2) If a man went to trial for this alleged criminal offense, it's not a case of 'He said; she said", and the Judge and jury decide whom they believe - that's how Civil Law works. The defense lawyer will tell his client to get a haircut, wear a clean suit, and keep his mouth shut at all times.

3) Assuming that the woman does not lie on the witness stand, the Crown Prosecutor will neglect to ask her if she initially consented to the sexual act. The first question of the cross examination will be "Yes or no, Ms. Doe, did you or did you not consent to the commencement of the sexual act?". If she doesn't answer directly, the defense attorney will ask the Judge to tell the witness to answer the question. As soon as the word "Yes" comes out of her mouth, the defense counsel will say "I have no further questions for this witness". That alone will provide Reasonable Doubt, and the accused will be acquitted. That might not be Justice, but it is The Law.

The Criminal Justice system's primary purpose is to try to ensure that innocent accused s are not found guilty. Convicting offenders is the secondary goal. Criminal cases are meant to be decided based solely on proven facts and evidence alone; that's why 'Justice is blind'. Everything else is just the dog and pony show of lawyer shtick.

Beginning in post #34, Jenesis began a series of personal attacks, founded on conclusions she had made, based on assumptions. By post #46, she was making accusations while quoting me while I had her on Ignore.

Trolls do that all the time. They think it will provoke an angry emotional response. She then recruited a trolling partner in latinboy, to provoke further, but it didn't work. I've seen her use these same tactics for years, against different people who had committed the sin of outdebating her.

Jenesis doesn't understand "Manspeak". Rather than reading what's written as information, she reads emotionally, and arbitrarily decides that someone said something based on what she felt they meant, rather than what they actually said. She then says "So and so said this", without a quote, and that fools the people who start reading a thread from the middle. I chose my words carefully, and frequently edit posts for minor spelling, grammar, punctuation or formatting changes, or to insert additional information. I NEVER remove or modify anything significant; that makes you look bad, if someone has already quoted you while you're altering content of a posted reply. I'm not lenient with people who tell lies about me.

I don't like to fight trolls anymore, but I am good at it. I also like to make examples of those who cross the line between verbal jousting and intentional falsehoods, to discourage other challenges, and for the amusement of myself and the reading audience. That's schadenfreude.

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Hey, what's up? You went from attacking her debating style to attacking her on a personal level? In debating that's behaviour indicative of someone who is losing, or, has already lost the debate.

LJ
As you can see above....... Why bother right? LOL.

Saying the law does not recognize withdraw of consent mid act. Because that is exactly what he said when he says “not in the eyes of the law”. Not changing it later to cops can’t arrest. Which is bullshit too. Most cases are he said, she said with no witness and a lot with no injury. But he got called out, it challenged his manhood and he didn’t like it. He basically admits that above. He doesn’t like being challenged.

Consent can’t be withdrawn in the eyes of the law - Like who thinks like that???? Very disturbing.

But you see how he is. Totally came in here to insult me. Not once but twice! Lame attempts but the intent is there. Says we agreed not to quote each other but comes into my thread and addresses me directly anyway which is basically the same thing as quoting. Then gets pissy that I quote him back. It is all games and bullshit. LMAO

Guess I’m going to have another stalker on my hands. :rolleyes:
 
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I use facebook at my phone. I'd hate to get a vacation because of something I've posted.

Also posting is such a waste of time. Nobody ever changes their mind, ever and it's just annoying.
 

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Women lie about having been sexually assaulted. Not all the time, not most of the time, but often enough that their testimony is and should not be enough to convict a man, except in the #MeToo Movement, where careers are cancelled by sometimes anonymous allegations of events that allegedly happened years before, but were not previously reported.

Written language, if precise, is intended to be explicit when read. The inarticulate require emojies to be understood. Language is not meant to be subjectively interpreted emotionally so that words, as defined, can mean anything any individual wants them to. Once again, Jenesis shows us that she doesn't know how to read properly. (posts #23 and 24).
 

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The inarticulate require emojies to be understood.
Profanity is the last refuge of the inarticulate motherfucker.
:):);):cool::unsure::poop:

I had a response to a text by a Montreal escort with two emojis but my emoji skills and eye sight were not good enough to figure out what they were. Rather annoying.
Had to cancel out [24 hours before] and had no idea if she was communicating "sad, next time" or "fuck off you cunt"
Oh well, she no longer is working so no biggie.
 

NotADcotor

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I don't like to fight trolls anymore, but I am good at it.
You can't fight a troll by definition. If someone is purposely posting bullshit or acting like an idiot to get on your nerves any response or attempt to fight back just embiggins their joy.
However much like how everybody is a communist nazi, how suicide bombers are cowards but kids dying of cancer are heros, troll has gone from meaning someone who is being a shit to piss people off to meaning anyone who disagrees with me which is a bit trollish ironically.
 
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You can't fight a troll by definition. If someone is purposely posting bullshit or acting like an idiot to get on your nerves any response or attempt to fight back just embiggins their joy.
However much like how everybody is a communist nazi, how suicide bombers are cowards but kids dying of cancer are heros, troll has gone from meaning someone who is being a shit to piss people off to meaning anyone who disagrees with me which is a bit trollish ironically.
I have to disagree with you on fighting trolls. There are many effective combat strategies that can be used against them. By definition, they're attention whores. They want to be read, but they don't have information that would prompt someone to want to read out of interest; instead they resort to provocation, often passive-aggressively. Just ignoring what they say is usually sufficient to have them troll someone else instead, but that doesn't solve the problem.

Publicly embarrassing a troll is more fun, and entertaining to the popcorn eaters. Often their own words can be used against them, as they tend to be sloppy in their prose. Talking about them, but not to them, really gets under their skin. They often don't know when to quit while some personal dignity remains. I'm accustomed to being attacked by multiple trolls acting together, and I use strategies they've never seen before. Their biggest weakness is that they tend to be too predictable. Their arsenal is limited, and they often make fools of themselves, while trying to act foolish.
 

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I have to disagree with you on fighting trolls. There are many effective combat strategies that can be used against them. By definition, they're attention whores. They want to be read, but they don't have information that would prompt someone to want to read out of interest; instead they resort to provocation, often passive-aggressively. Just ignoring what they say is usually sufficient to have them troll someone else instead, but that doesn't solve the problem.

Publicly embarrassing a troll is more fun, and entertaining to the popcorn eaters. Often their own words can be used against them, as they tend to be sloppy in their prose. Talking about them, but not to them, really gets under their skin. They often don't know when to quit while some personal dignity remains. I'm accustomed to being attacked by multiple trolls acting together, and I use strategies they've never seen before. Their biggest weakness is that they tend to be too predictable. Their arsenal is limited, and they often make fools of themselves, while trying to act foolish.
You are describing how to deal with an idiot, not a troll. There is a difference but often it's very hard to tell because most trolls just play the idiot and someone playing the idiot and someone who actually is an idiot is not really possible to tell apart.

A troll is someone who purposely tried to get under your skins. Often because it's easy by acting the fool.
Talking about them, or at them makes no difference. The more you effort you put into it, the happier they are. They can't be embarrassed by what they said because what they are saying isn't what they believe, it's just bait to get people pissed off. You also can't have personal dignity if you are playing a role.

But again, any time you respond to an actual troll you have lost. All responses are like oxygen no matter how brilliant or hamfisted they are.

I kinda wish Simon the truck driver was still around, he could explain it better than I.
I remember one time he disagreed with me on some point where I was obviously right. I'd explain it a few more times, and he would stubornly refuse to accept the point. I then remembered, oh yeah he is an admitted troll. He gets it, he probably agrees with me, he was just playing me for a sucker.
 
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Also even if you are dealing with someone who is obviously wrong [instead of just having a different value set]
Even if you are brilliant and make brutal debating points you have still lost.

Arguing on the internet is just like invading Russia.
You can reach Moscow [1812]
You can actually win [WWI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Brest-Litovsk]
You can almost reach Leningrad, Moscow, the Caucasus mountains and take most of Stalingrad [WWII]
You will still lose [Waterloo, Versailles, shooting yourself in a bunker]

Arguing on the internet is like racing in the Special Olympics, even if you win you are still retarded.

It's like wrestling with a pig. You get covered in muck and the pig is happy.

You will almost never convince anyone of anything, even on issues of fact. I remember one time? At Terb Camp? I was discussing how teachers collect a pension longer than they work. Someone disagreed. I went to the website of the people who run the pensions complete with the icons of all the relevant unions. I brought forward life expectancy stats which nobody disputes. He continued fighting the point. He wasn't a troll either [I think] he is just the norm for the internet.

I am trying very hard to not get into it, but it's difficult not to be an idiot. Sadly I don't mean a smart idiot like Ranchhoddas "Rancho" Shamaldas Chanchad, or an intellegent but unfortunate idiot like Farhan Qureshi or Raju Rastogi either.
It's why I often say my peace and never revisit thread. I just couldn't be bothered any more. I lay down some knowledge and if it doesn't work, it never will
I've recently done research, but I don't bother doing that any more. Not as if I am getting paid and there are way too many Kdramas to watch. Also too many times I've seen my efforts slam into a wall of either ignorance or IDGAF

In short, you think you are so cool getting into these arguements, but much like me you are not, you are just a loser and in time you will hang your head in shame.
 
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I gave up on Facebook a long time ago. I check occasionally to see my family posts but the stream of shit to find original content makes even this task painful.
 
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I gave up on Facebook a long time ago. I check occasionally to see my family posts but the stream of shit to find original content makes even this task painful.
Facebook has been great in getting back in touch with people I knew a long time ago [like 10 years plus]
It's great as a chat service for people I know.

The big key is to keep the friends list low [mine is usually under 20 and I will probably drop it below 15]
Or turn off notifications for the excess. I know some people who post shit on occasion. I never see it.
Also ignore any of the paid content FB throws your way. How that is easy to spot.
 

onomatopoeia

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I kinda wish Simon the truck driver was still around, he could explain it better than I.
I remember one time he disagreed with me on some point where I was obviously right. I'd explain it a few more times, and he would stubornly refuse to accept the point. I then remembered, oh yeah he is an admitted troll. He gets it, he probably agrees with me, he was just playing me for a sucker.
I shared a few PMs with Simon, back in the day.

I don't go looking for confrontations with trolls or idiots; they come after me. Often they back down, when they see that they're over matched. Some are gluttons for punishment, like the "Roast Me" folks on Reddit. After a certain point, I stop communicating with the troll, but I often continue to refer to them in conversations with other people that I know they read. They frequently reply at that stage, but I no longer speak to them. Trolls want to provoke an emotional outburst; pissing people off is their game. They don't enjoy it as much when they are the butt of the joke, and whatever they say isn't acknowledged.
 

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Facebook has been great in getting back in touch with people I knew a long time ago [like 10 years plus]
It's great as a chat service for people I know.

The big key is to keep the friends list low [mine is usually under 20 and I will probably drop it below 15]
Or turn off notifications for the excess. I know some people who post shit on occasion. I never see it.
Also ignore any of the paid content FB throws your way. How that is easy to spot.
That is generally what I use it for. I don’t usually comment. I follow a few local businesses, and it was in a post they shared. I swear it was the simplest comment, I didn’t even think it would garner a response and bam! This person went way over the deep end in a matter of seconds. Most hilarious thing I have seen in a while on SM. Besides my new stalker of course. That just the topper on the cake for the day like Bob is your .... uncle. LMAO

Anyway, FB is the only personal SM I have. I have Twitter for escorting and then business SM accounts. I don’t know how people keep up with all the platforms at the same time. On a personal level I mean. On a progressional one, I get it but it is like a full time job keep up with it all. LOL
 
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Hey, what's up? You went from attacking her debating style to attacking her on a personal level? In debating that's behaviour indicative of someone who is losing, or, has already lost the debate.

LJ
What he said! Besides, I don't think posts attacking a lady's boobs are going to make you a hit on TERB👎👎...
 

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There's no rule that says an avatar needs to resemble the person who writes the handle. I don't look anything like Mr Sluggo.
Dude. What's with the weird sub-tweety personal attack on Jenesis here?


As you can see above....... Why bother right? LOL.

Saying the law does not recognize withdraw of consent mid act.
I just went back to look at that thread (which I clearly missed originally since I am sure I would have commented) and it is really weird.
Of course consent can be withdrawn mid-act - it's black and white law in the Canadian Criminal Code. (The US is different, of course.)
onomatopoeia wanting to say that no one will ever be convicted under that standard is a different issue, of course. (I would be shocked that there are no convictions ever under this standard but I probably need a law clerk to look it up for me. :) )


You are describing how to deal with an idiot, not a troll. There is a difference but often it's very hard to tell because most trolls just play the idiot and someone playing the idiot and someone who actually is an idiot is not really possible to tell apart.

A troll is someone who purposely tried to get under your skins. Often because it's easy by acting the fool.
Talking about them, or at them makes no difference. The more you effort you put into it, the happier they are. They can't be embarrassed by what they said because what they are saying isn't what they believe, it's just bait to get people pissed off. You also can't have personal dignity if you are playing a role.

But again, any time you respond to an actual troll you have lost. All responses are like oxygen no matter how brilliant or hamfisted they are.
That's the old classic definition of a troll. I think most people don't use it anymore, which is a shame because it was very useful.
 
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Dude. What's with the weird sub-tweety personal attack on Jenesis here?

I just went back to look at that thread (which I clearly missed originally since I am sure I would have commented) and it is really weird.
Of course consent can be withdrawn mid-act - it's black and white law in the Canadian Criminal Code. (The US is different, of course.)
onomatopoeia wanting to say that no one will ever be convicted under that standard is a different issue, of course. (I would be shocked that there are no convictions ever under this standard but I probably need a law clerk to look it up for me. :) )

That's the old classic definition of a troll. I think most people don't use it anymore, which is a shame because it was very useful.
You've read the thread. I never said that consent couldn't be withdrawn in mid act, and I made no attempt to personally define what is and isn't sexual assault. Not in the eyes of the Law" refers to the near impossibility of conviction for sexual assault, when consent is given, but later rescinded.

Jenesis attacked me personally without provocation, lied about what I had said, and insinuated many nasty things about me, all based on 'what she felt I meant', not what I actually said. That's why I put her on Ignore for three weeks. She was still quoting me more than a day later. I didn't feed. It's one thing to personally interpret someone else's speech or prose, and quite another to state that what they said is what you decided they meant.

More than once, Jenesis said "consent can be withdrawn at any time", which isn't true. In fact, consent can only be withdrawn in the time interval between when it's given and the completion of the act, which for most men is, at best, a five minute 'window of opportunity'. Consent cannot be withdrawn if:

a) Consent was not first granted.

b) When someone lacks the ability to give consent in the first place, such as someone who is unconscious, inebriated, stupified, in a coma, or lacking sufficient mental capacity to give consent.

c) Retroactively, after the act has been completed.

d) When consent is neither requested nor wanted.

The "weird sub-tweety personal attack" was my rebuttal. This isn't the only, or the first time she's done this sort of thing. I just wanted her to think with the big head next time, before she pulls that on me again.

As far as I'm concerned, this matter is now settled. It's entirely her decision whether or not hostilities will recommence.
 
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"Dude. What's with the weird sub-tweety personal attack on Jenesis here?"

No need for that.
 

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Dude. What's with the weird sub-tweety personal attack on Jenesis here?
Some people just can’t handle being proven wrong or challenged. So they attack. They stalk thread and posts. They make lame attempts at insults. They show their true colours and people end up seeing right through it anyway. I don’t have to do a thing. LOL.

I’m use to it here. They are a minority but Most have the same negative opinions of women and outlandish ideas of what is acceptable behaviour. It is not hard to spot the issues and need for attention.

At the end of the day, really is water off a ducks back to me. LOL
 
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Some people just can’t handle being proven wrong or challenged. So they attack. They stalk thread and posts. They can make lame attempts at insults. They show their true colours and people end up seeing right through it anyway. I don’t have to do a thing. LOL.

Really is water off a ducks back to me. LOL
" So they attack. They stalk thread and posts. They can make lame attempts at insults. They show their true colours and people end up seeing right through it anyway. I don’t have to do a thing."

Intelligent, rational and civil members (yes, they exist) don't engage in personal attacks.
 
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