Fascinating interview with Russian commander on the new realities of warfare

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It is true nobody on the side of Ukraine in the proxy war can trust Putin and
Russia particularly those who have given away billions to Zelensky to kill Russian
invaders. After the war not only the Baltics will still be building a defensive
line. Canada, the UK and the EU will have to spend more billions on defense
as well against Putin on top of the billions already squandered on aid to Ukraine.
Meanwhile the rest of the world like India, China and Brazil will continue trading
with Russia. How some fools will be cheering the panic of the Baltics is beyond
me. It will soon be our turn to build our own defensive line probably in the arctic.
This is the reward to reap from financing the Ukraine proxy war.
Yes, of course, poor poor Russia.

You should go and give your thoughts and praise to Putin in person. I am sure he would make you a Russian citizen as he did for Steven Seagal.
 
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basketcase2

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It is true nobody on the side of Ukraine in the proxy war can trust Putin and
Russia particularly those who have given away billions to Zelensky to kill Russian
invaders. After the war not only the Baltics will still be building a defensive
line. Canada, the UK and the EU will have to spend more billions on defense
as well against Putin on top of the billions already squandered on aid to Ukraine.
Meanwhile the rest of the world like India, China and Brazil will continue trading
with Russia. How some fools will be cheering the panic of the Baltics is beyond
me. It will soon be our turn to build our own defensive line probably in the arctic.
This is the reward to reap from financing the Ukraine proxy war.
Cheering on? To me it seems like the cheering is from the people enamoured by Putin's expansionistic ways. I'm sure most of us would be far happier if Poland and the Baltics felt secure enough to invest in society, science, and technology instead of having to worry about defending their borders and personally I don't like that the fear strengthens the authoritarian right in those countries.

But I guess when one runs out of rational ways to defend Russia's action, the next tactic is to pretend every else are the ones cheering for war.
 

oil&gas

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Cheering on? To me it seems like the cheering is from the people enamoured by Putin's expansionistic ways. I'm sure most of us would be far happier if Poland and the Baltics felt secure enough to invest in society, science, and technology instead of having to worry about defending their borders and personally I don't like that the fear strengthens the authoritarian right in those countries.

I would have been more supportive of our government had Trudeau spemt
the billions worth of aid to Ukraine on our own military. Does that count as cheering
Putin's expansionistic ways?

Poland, the Baltics along with Germany and the UK are among
those who are now feeling insecure enough they all have to step
up investment in military defence. That is ample evidence of how
fruitless cheering the Ukraine war from the pro-Ukraine crowd is.

But I guess when one runs out of rational ways to defend Russia's action, the next tactic is to pretend every else are the ones cheering for war.
 

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It is true nobody on the side of Ukraine in the proxy war can trust Putin and
Russia particularly those who have given away billions to Zelensky to kill Russian
invaders. After the war not only the Baltics will still be building a defensive
line. Canada, the UK and the EU will have to spend more billions on defense
as well against Putin on top of the billions already squandered on aid to Ukraine.
Meanwhile the rest of the world like India, China and Brazil will continue trading
with Russia. How some fools will be cheering the panic of the Baltics is beyond
me. It will soon be our turn to build our own defensive line probably in the arctic.
This is the reward to reap from financing the Ukraine proxy war.
Fuck you Russian Rimsky Rooters. You don' think people see through your gratuitous fence sitting illusion? You've admitted you despise Ukrainians, Ukraine, Zelenskyy, democracy and civility and by your morality, that Russia is justified in their actions.

RUSSIA is the ROOT CAUSE of this, and most global unrest. They are relatively fucking stupid weaklings who have bullshitted their way (with the knowledge they have nukes) and caused fear, uncertainty and doubt in the CIVILIZED world since they got organized into their post ww2 true Orc sneaky characters. FFS, Bugs Bunny and so many other WB and Looney Tunes cartoons from the 50's and earlier made parodies of it.

My father and his family fled from the Baltics after your fucking Russian savages came in and tried to destroy our nations and nationalities. My family was indigenous to our land for FIVE THOUSAND YEARS! FIVE THOUSAND! And these fucking oligarchs who steal from their own people lie and claim it as their own?

Spare us your convoluted, contrived yet fucking cuckoo dissertations and reposting Russian propaganda. The only thing we learn from it is how fuckiing toxic that mentality is. But the malignancy that is the Russkie Mir will cause that fucking shithole to fail, again. And again. And again. Like it always has and always will.
 
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basketcase2

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I would have been more supportive of our government had Trudeau spemt
the billions worth of aid to Ukraine on our own military. Does that count as cheering
Putin's expansionistic ways?
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Depends. Do you think Canadian soldiers should help counter Putin's expansionism?

Your posting history has been full of justifications for Putin's actions so yes, your posts against helping Ukraine sure seems like cheering him on, at least in comparison to your accusations that the rest of us are cheeringw ar.
 

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Depends. Do you think Canadian soldiers should help counter Putin's expansionism?
I expect our soldiers to be on guard patrolling the Arctic. Since the U.S. is
our ally there is no need of heavy military defence along the southern border.

To my knowledge none of the NATO members in Europe are serious about
sending soldiers to Ukraine to fight off Putin's invaders. I don't see
why Canada has to worry about having to counter Putin's expansionism. I do
think we need to strengthen defence in the Arctic regardless of whether Putin
has invaded Ukraine or not.

Your posting history has been full of justifications for Putin's actions so yes, your posts against helping Ukraine sure seems like cheering him on, at least in comparison to your accusations that the rest of us are cheeringw ar.

I am of the view that Trudeau has squandered us taxpayers' money on
sending as much aid as he did to Ukraine. I too could be accused of
cheering Putin if I supported Trudeau sending aid to Russia.
 

basketcase2

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I expect our soldiers to be on guard patrolling the Arctic. Since the U.S. is
our ally there is no need of heavy military defence along the southern border.

To my knowledge none of the NATO members in Europe are serious about
sending soldiers to Ukraine to fight off Putin's invaders. I don't see
why Canada has to worry about having to counter Putin's expansionism. I do
think we need to strengthen defence in the Arctic regardless of whether Putin
has invaded Ukraine or not.




I am of the view that Trudeau has squandered us taxpayers' money on
sending as much aid as he did to Ukraine. I too could be accused of
cheering Putin if I supported Trudeau sending aid to Russia.
Um, who do you think we need to protect the arctic from? Some millions spent helping Ukraine wear down Russia's military power sure sounds better than the economic expense of Canada in direct conflict with Russia over the Artic.

And you have gone far, far, deeper in pushing Russian propaganda to now pretend you were simply worried about where Canada's government spends their money.
 

oil&gas

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Um, who do you think we need to protect the arctic from? Some millions spent helping Ukraine wear down Russia's military power sure sounds better than the economic expense of Canada in direct conflict with Russia over the Artic.

If I decide to install ADT equipments in my house and build a fence around it
is not because it has been invaded. And I don't have to know who the invaders
will be. Will you want to defund our police force because our society has been
crime-free?

Our borders to the north is open and without a buffer zone like we have
the U.S. 48 states to the south. It is for good measure to shore up defence
not necessarily because we are being threatened but simply because our
military is in need of modernization. It is for good measure to acquire modern
jets, battleships, submarines and whatever advanced technology needed to
strengthen our military.

Defence against threats of future Russian aggression certainly needs
to be considered. Russia was not a friendly country to Canada before
the war. It certainly isn't going to be more friendly to us after the war.
The kins and friends of Russian casualties in the war could be as likely to hate
Trudeau for the billions worth of aid to Ukraine as they hate Putin for waging
the war. Russians I am afraid are not a forgiving people. Hence our security
in the Arctic post-war will be no less a concern than it used to be. It does
not appear the hundreds of millions Trudeau spent on 'wearing down' Russia's
military power will lessen our expenses on upgrading our own military power.

It is just like I would have been more concerned about defence against
aggression from the south had we sent aid to Iraq to destroy lives of American invaders in 2003.

And you have gone far, far, deeper in pushing Russian propaganda to now pretend you were simply worried about where Canada's government spends their money.
As far as I can tell Russian propaganda aimed to justify invasion of Ukraine
has been an abject failure at least among the sheeple in NATO countries.
Me questioning our leader squanering
our money on a regional conflict thousands of miles on the other side
of the Atlantic ocean is more sensible than cheering Trudeau's generous
financial support of Ukraine. And yet Trudeau's virtue-signalling faced little
to no opposition; those who opposed would be labelled Neville Chamberlain
of our time or worse supporters of tyrants and genocide.

Pro-proxy-war propaganda from NATO has worked beautifully. Now is the
time to focus on post-war security and defence against future aggression from
Putin's Russia.
 

nottyboi

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Um, who do you think we need to protect the arctic from? Some millions spent helping Ukraine wear down Russia's military power sure sounds better than the economic expense of Canada in direct conflict with Russia over the Artic.

And you have gone far, far, deeper in pushing Russian propaganda to now pretend you were simply worried about where Canada's government spends their money.
Wear down Russia? More like wear of the rust lol https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...kraine-war-russias-army-is-stronger-than-ever
 

nottyboi

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If I decide to install ADT equipments in my house and build a fence around it
is not because it has been invaded. And I don't have to know who the invaders
will be. Will you want to defund our police force because our society has been
crime-free?

Our borders to the north is open and without a buffer zone like we have
the U.S. 48 states to the south. It is for good measure to shore up defence
not necessarily because we are being threatened but simply because our
military is in need of modernization. It is for good measure to acquire modern
jets, battleships, submarines and whatever advanced technology needed to
strengthen our military.

Defence against threats of future Russian aggression certainly needs
to be considered. Russia was not a friendly country to Canada before
the war. It certainly isn't going to be more friendly to us after the war.
The kins and friends of Russian casualties in the war could be as likely to hate
Trudeau for the billions worth of aid to Ukraine as they hate Putin for waging
the war. Russians I am afraid are not a forgiving people. Hence our security
in the Arctic post-war will be no less a concern than it used to be. It does
not appear the hundreds of millions Trudeau spent on 'wearing down' Russia's
military power will lessen our expenses on upgrading our own military power.

It is just like I would have been more concerned about defence against
aggression from the south had we sent aid to Iraq to destroy lives of American invaders in 2003.



As far as I can tell Russian propaganda aimed to justify invasion of Ukraine
has been an abject failure at least among the sheeple in NATO countries.
Me questioning our leader squanering
our money on a regional conflict thousands of miles on the other side
of the Atlantic ocean is more sensible than cheering Trudeau's generous
financial support of Ukraine. And yet Trudeau's virtue-signalling faced little
to no opposition; those who opposed would be labelled Neville Chamberlain
of our time or worse supporters of tyrants and genocide.

Pro-proxy-war propaganda from NATO has worked beautifully. Now is the
time to focus on post-war security and defence against future aggression from
Putin's Russia.
Rather then confront, why not cooperate with the Russians. Imagine the potential if Canada could operate the Northwest passage year round. Yeah we can, with Russian ice breakers. This would revolutionize global shipping and would benefit both nations (Canada far more as we would have a Panama Canal alternative.
 

basketcase2

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Yes, wear down Russia. Despite your article talking about numbers of troops, their stocks of tanks and armored vehicles has been seriously depleted and their well trained troops are being replaced by old men willing to die for the signing bonus. And on top of that, they have been forced to transition to a wartime economy with massive inflation which has put significant strain, not only on the purchasing power of the average joe but also the oligarchs who hold sway.

p.s. What your article ignores is that the production of weapons like tanks is mainly attempts to refurbish the rust bucket T-55 and T-62s. But maybe Russia thinks that spending so much on tanks will cause Ukraine to continue using cheap drones to destroy them.
 

basketcase2

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...

Defence against threats of future Russian aggression certainly needs
to be considered. Russia was not a friendly country to Canada before
the war. It certainly isn't going to be more friendly to us after the war.
The kins and friends of Russian casualties in the war could be as likely to hate
Trudeau for the billions worth of aid to Ukraine as they hate Putin for waging
the war. ...
You really think Canada's 8.7 billion, mostly financial and humanitarian aid is on the minds of Russians when compared to nearly 2000 billion from the US and EU? I also would suspect that although they wouldn't admit it publicly, many average Russians know that Russia started the war.

But sure, whatever excuses you need to tell yourself.
 

basketcase2

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Rather then confront, why not cooperate with the Russians. Imagine the potential if Canada could operate the Northwest passage year round. Yeah we can, with Russian ice breakers. This would revolutionize global shipping and would benefit both nations (Canada far more as we would have a Panama Canal alternative.
Right, because Putin has a habit of cooperating with other countries. You can ask Georgia and Moldova about Russian cooperation (not to mention Ukraine).
 

nottyboi

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Right, because Putin has a habit of cooperating with other countries. You can ask Georgia and Moldova about Russian cooperation (not to mention Ukraine).
Well he reacts no different then the USA would act if we built a Chinese base in Canada. How well is NATO cooperation working out for Ukraine, vs how well did neutrality work out for Austria?
 

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Well he reacts no different then the USA would act if we built a Chinese base in Canada. How well is NATO cooperation working out for Ukraine, vs how well did neutrality work out for Austria?
maybe not chinese army bases, but how about Chinese secret police stations?

 

basketcase2

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Well he reacts no different then the USA would act if we built a Chinese base in Canada. How well is NATO cooperation working out for Ukraine, vs how well did neutrality work out for Austria?
Right. But the US, even under Trump, is closer in morals than Russia. Trump talks about absorbing Canada. Putin sends in troops.
Ukraine was neutral and even gave up their nukes to guarantee it. What did neutrality get them?



p.s. Why would we allow China to build a base when we don't even allow American bases? But not sure what you are trying to argue because there were no NATO bases in Ukraine, Moldova, or Georgia and Putin still invaded.
 

nottyboi

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Right. But the US, even under Trump, is closer in morals than Russia. Trump talks about absorbing Canada. Putin sends in troops.
Ukraine was neutral and even gave up their nukes to guarantee it. What did neutrality get them?



p.s. Why would we allow China to build a base when we don't even allow American bases? But not sure what you are trying to argue because there were no NATO bases in Ukraine, Moldova, or Georgia and Putin still invaded.
They said they were gonna join NATO, and had NATO personell stationed there in addition to receiving a lot of NATO military aid. That is NOT NEUTRAL
 

nottyboi

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Right. But the US, even under Trump, is closer in morals than Russia. Trump talks about absorbing Canada. Putin sends in troops.
Ukraine was neutral and even gave up their nukes to guarantee it. What did neutrality get them?



p.s. Why would we allow China to build a base when we don't even allow American bases? But not sure what you are trying to argue because there were no NATO bases in Ukraine, Moldova, or Georgia and Putin still invaded.
There were CIA and NATO training bases in Ukraine, the USA refused to guarantee it would not deploy nukes in the future. Look at how the US acted when Turkey DARED to buy Russian S400 missiles after the USA refused to sell the Patriot. Successive US presidents were saying Ukraine would eventually join NATO.
 
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