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moredale7

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The big guy in the Penn and Teller group makes a pretty valid point.
If Jebus was completely made up, the writers of the gospels wouldn't have had to try so hard in a ham fisted way to make his story fit prophesy... or prophesy as they often misunderstood it. Need him to be from Nazareth because you don't understand the difference between that and Nazerine [a cult]. Poof he was born there.
Instead they make up these convoluted and contradictory stories to make him better fit the storyline.

Granted that doesn't mean he is a magical sky daddy like Lemmy, Chuck Norris and Morgan Freeman but it does suggest there was an actual dude there which constrained their ability to completely make shit up... slightly. Although if Morgan Freeman wrote the gospels, he would of done a much better job being the voice of the actual trinity.

Just like Jospeh Smith was an actual person. Even if the golden tablets and other shit was complete fantasy.

And that dude was white, just like Jews and Arabs. White. Anyone who says otherwise is either a racist in a "white=nordic or celtic" crowd or the racist "Everything remotely good came from black people because feelings" crew. End of story.
Jesus was an actual person.

The biblical Jesus? The "Jesus Fable" ? was a construct.
 
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Jesus was an actual person.

The biblical Jesus? The "Jesus Fable" ? was a construct.
I am not 100 percent convinced Jesus the dude existed but that guy from P&T's argument does make it seem more likely.
 

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Jesus was an actual person.
Based on oral tradition only. There are no contemporaneous accounts. The first Gospels and Epistles were't written until most of those directly involved were dead. Plenty of room to embroider in walking on water and turning water into wine. Yes, there was a Galilean Jew named Jesus and lots of circumstantial evidence supporting the scriptural narratives. A dedication carved in stone in Caesarea includes Pontius Pilate, for example. But there is no actual evidence supporting assertions that Emperor Augustus ever declared a census (and there would have been, Imperial Rome kept very good records) or that anyone ever did a census where you had to register in your place of birth.
From the writings that "made the cut" for inclusion into today's Bible, it's pretty clear that this Jew Jesus did not believe that he was the Messiah or the son of God. He did, however, believe that the end of days were at hand (what does that say about "Gospel Truth"?) The man Jesus was almost certainly a dissident, if not of Rome, at least of the prevailing Jewish power structure. Either way the Romans executed him. From then on. there's a lot about Christian doctrine that's really just faith alone...
 
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