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Excessive force or not?

Absolutely not, he was told what to do, if he complied he'd be alive. Yawn, next.
 
rex_baner said:
agreed... do as you're told or die
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I would modify that slightly to:

"In those circumstances do as you're told or die". Advancing on cops like that with your hand behind your back puts the cops in a terrible split second predicament.
 
he did not comply , but doesn't deserve to get shot. cops should be trained with baton
 
as soon as that cop clipped off the safety he wasn't going back. and it is early in the footage
 
There is a common theme to many of the police killings I've seen (certainly not all), and it's the person deliberately not complying with repeated simple direct orders and warnings.

The case where that guy was running from an officer and the officer shot him in the back killing him is a clear example of excessive force and plain murder. But in cases like this one, I side with the cops.
 
Smallcock said:
There is a common theme to many of the police killings I've seen (certainly not all), and it's the person deliberately not complying with repeated simple direct orders and warnings.

The case where that guy was running from an officer and the officer shot him in the back killing him is a clear example of excessive force and plain murder. But in cases like this one, I side with the cops.
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In a different thread, they posted this video and I felt that it was NOT a good example to prove that cops need more training.

The only thing that I might question is that maybe Mr. Noble was high and that the cops may have been able to use a taser or rush him after he fell down from those initial shots, to immobilize him (he kept reaching for his pockets).

I don't know what Dylan Noble was trying to prove by not following simple instructions. If he acted like he was suicidal or said something to that effect, then perhaps the cops could have delayed the process. After all, there was space between them and there were several armed officers pointing their weapons at him. Plenty of overkill.
 
spaman said:
he did not comply , but doesn't deserve to get shot. cops should be trained with baton
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And when that cop, with his 20 inch baton gets within striking distance, is now presented with a gun or knife (lethal force threats) from the bad guy, how are his odds?
 
Excessive. They should have been able to see there was something wrong with him. But more to the point the shots while down were excessive. If you think guy on ground is really a threat back up and take cover and call for help.
 
kugel1 said:
And when that cop, with his 20 inch baton gets within striking distance, is now presented with a gun or knife (lethal force threats) from the bad guy, how are his odds?
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Exactly. Laypeople clearly don't understand the risks involved in so many of these interactions.

Many would end up dead if they tried policing for a day. The training they want police to take is the very training that protects them from making such stupid mistakes.
 
frankcastle said:
Excessive. They should have been able to see there was something wrong with him. But more to the point the shots while down were excessive. If you think guy on ground is really a threat back up and take cover and call for help.
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I have to agree with you, guy was down, it was unnecessary, but that's apparently the way they rolled on that one. But in a twisted way, I'm glad this guy wasn't black, to hopefully give a glimmer of light on the issue that cops aren't out there simply wanting to kill "all black" people.
This guy didn't listen, hid his hand, talked a bit, did not comply and this is the result.


Just comply, that's it.
 
frankcastle said:
Excessive. They should have been able to see there was something wrong with him. But more to the point the shots while down were excessive. If you think guy on ground is really a threat back up and take cover and call for help.
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For arguments sake, let's say they could see "something was wrong with him". Are guns in the hands of people who have "something wrong with them" less dangerous than others? If they believe "something was wrong with him", and believe he has a gun, what should they do? Remember, they are out in public. It's not just cops in danger, but anyone within range of that gun. While they are taking cover and calling for help, can't that guy still present a danger to the public, who don't know what is going on? When he is shot while down, he is repeatedly going for his waistband against the warnings of the police. If he gets to the gun they believe he had, and he was acting like he had, shooting from his back is still very viable.
 
This thread shows that the general public needs training to understand how cops protect them from serious danger. Maybe it should be taught in public school. The de facto school - the mainstream media - has done a piss poor job.

It reminds me of the "why didn't the cops just shoot him in the legs" responses from people that have no clue that real life is nothing like the Fast and the Furious movies.
 
Sometimes I wonder if you say things like that just to get a reaction..."call for help" who they gonna call? Ghostbusters? Glad they got to go home to their families.

frankcastle said:
Excessive. They should have been able to see there was something wrong with him. But more to the point the shots while down were excessive. If you think guy on ground is really a threat back up and take cover and call for help.
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Smallcock said:
Exactly. Laypeople clearly don't understand the risks involved in so many of these interactions.

Many would end up dead if they tried policing for a day. The training they want police to take is the very training that protects them from making such stupid mistakes.
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Many would end up bored or frustrated but they certainly wouldn't end up dead. If anybody wants to risk life and limb on the job, there are plenty of low paying construction or factory jobs far more dangerous.

And, just to comment on the post you've commented on, I like the cop's chances if his ASP is drawn and he's within striking distance. Frankly, the instant he's within striking distance the assailant should be dropped, before he even gets a chance to "present" his weapon.
 
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