Ethiopian Plane Crash
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The second crash in recent months. Something doesn't add up. This plane is manufactured by Boeing, not some Russian company.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_MAX
The 737 is an ancient design. Designed in the early 60's. Sure, sure, they've added some new avionics and what not, but it's just lipstick on a pig. The only reason they still make this plane is that it's the ideal size for today's airline industry.
Will wait to see what happened.
Will wait to see what happened.
18 Canadians killed, 150+ dead. 2 crashes on almost brand new planes with no survivors. Both nosedived into the ground (or water). The system fingered in the Lion air crash is MCAS. This is not supposed to be active when flaps are down. My prediction with the Etheopian crash is also MCAS -
Flaps were down, flap sensor failed, MCAS activated on takeoff and before pilots could react eveyone was dead .
I am very nervous and will steer clear of this plane.
BTW Westjet, AC and Sunwing all fly this plane.
Flaps were down, flap sensor failed, MCAS activated on takeoff and before pilots could react eveyone was dead .
I am very nervous and will steer clear of this plane.
BTW Westjet, AC and Sunwing all fly this plane.
This is a completely redesigned larger version called the 737 Max. Only the airframe is the same, everything else has been updated to modern technology.
That's because they, along with most other airlines can't afford to pull them off the line.
Meanwhile behind the scenes they are probably doing the same thing as Boeing, scrambling to duplicate the scenario in a simulator and come up with a procedure to deal with the problem if it happens until a fix can be found.
It's a calculated risk.
Boeing 777's with the Rolls Royce engines continued to fly while they were investigating the dual engine failure problems caused by icing that resulted in a couple of crashes.
Interesting article from May 2017 mentioning Lion Air.
https://www.seattletimes.com/busine...x-test-planes-over-quality-issue-with-engine/
They still haven't finish their analysis of the one that crashed in Indonesia. I'm still surprised by the size of the large debris field in the Ethiopian crash.
Crash site is not that large, the size of a football pitch. This indicates a pretty steep nosedive
Uh, the airframe IS the plane and it was designed in the early 1960's.
It's just putting lipstick on a pig.
It's like buying a 65 Mustang and putting a new 5.0 litre Coyote v8 in it coupled to a new 10 speed transmission with a new wiring harness and new power seats and door locks.
A new Honda civic will drive circles around it because at the end of the day, its bones are still a 65 Mustang with all the limits of 1965 technology.
Which has been suggested as a possible cause of the two crashes under similar circumstances. The the newer engines had seriously changed the airplane's stalling characteristic, and modern technology's AI (Artificial Intelligence, not Boeing's word for it, but …) was supposed to manage that. So airlines wouldn't need to expensively re-program their the GI Units (Genuine Intelligence Units=Pilots: Again not their word, but …). All 'they needed to know' was supposedly in a Change Note in their manuals and memos.
And everyone always reads and remembers those, don't they?
Its much more then that, but I do question if revamping such an old design was the best way to do it. The thing about the MAX that scares me is this was a race with Airbus that had a 2 year lead with NEO. The A320 is already a much newer design. Who knows what short cuts Boeing took
Does not seem like good design, when the system overrides the pilot and flies the plane into the ground.
Design 101.
Boeing is protected by the US government, it can afford to play fast and loose with aircraft design. Boeing are saying that's it's pilot error, which is complete merda poozzolente. The upgraded design of the Max 737 causes the engines to overheat on take off.
The engines stalled out and the plane hit the ground with such force that one of the black boxes is damaged. Except a whopping class action lawsuit that will cost the company close to $0.5 billion.
Karma's a bitch motherfucker.
The engines stalled out and the plane hit the ground with such force that one of the black boxes is damaged. Except a whopping class action lawsuit that will cost the company close to $0.5 billion.
Karma's a bitch motherfucker.
Unfortunately, that is small change for Boeing. What will hurt them more is that the 737 Max will be grounded for quite a while.
Maybe it will result in more sales for the Bombardier planes, that Boeing went to great length to kill.
All too many experts, here. 737 Max is a proven design though modernized. The first crash might be software problems,not enough info on the latest one, but it's unlikely that it was airframe or engines. New or redesigned aircraft always have problems like the 777 batteries overheating, McDonnell's cargo doors,etc. Sometimes they end tragically. The only question is if the aircraft survives the teething process.
