Ethiopian Plane Crash
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I think this is a mistake and I think its a mistake that the conservatives would 100% have also made as they care even less about this shit.
I suspect he will change his mind soon.
The whole world except USA and Canada has grounded the 737 Max.
Air Canada is based in Quebec. Marc Garneau is a Minister from Quebec (as is PM Trudeau). Grounding the 737 would cause Quebec based Air Canada economic harm.
nonsense, it will likely harm Westjet more, and Sunwing for that matter.
It is just another example (Huawei, Venezuela) of Canada mindlessly following USA. And don't even try to tell us that the conservatives would do better.
Perhaps he's banking on pilots now being aware of the issue. If the MCAS system has a fault and senses an aerodynamic stall that doesn't exist, they now know to shut off the auto-pilot and take control of the aircraft in order to prevent a crash.
Its not the auto pilot, its auto trim. you are relying on the pilot identifying the problem and reacting in time to avoid disaster, then there are a few more traps to fuck up the pilot. In 737 NG pulling back on the yoke disabled the system. In MAx it disables it for 7 second.. then it comes back at you. Its really quite insidous.
Comments from the China Aviation Authority:
n an interview published yesterday in 21 Century Economic Times of China, The CAAC deputy chief Li Jian said, in Mandarin, “CAAC has communicated with Boeing and the US FAA and tried to learn their intention of any potential regulatory actions before making the decision to ground the 737 MAX.
“From what we have learnt, the current problem with MCAS is very difficult to resolve without autopilot, as it would be too late to engage autopilot after the MCAS is activated.
“While there are solutions being proposed, the inability to engage in autopilot or disengage the MCAS without decimating the original protection feature make the situation very complex.”
WOWZERS, this is NOT a political move by China.
n an interview published yesterday in 21 Century Economic Times of China, The CAAC deputy chief Li Jian said, in Mandarin, “CAAC has communicated with Boeing and the US FAA and tried to learn their intention of any potential regulatory actions before making the decision to ground the 737 MAX.
“From what we have learnt, the current problem with MCAS is very difficult to resolve without autopilot, as it would be too late to engage autopilot after the MCAS is activated.
“While there are solutions being proposed, the inability to engage in autopilot or disengage the MCAS without decimating the original protection feature make the situation very complex.”
WOWZERS, this is NOT a political move by China.
A Norwegian 737 on way from Stockholm to Tel Aviv turned around over Romania and returned to Stockholm.
Correct.
To do otherwise would require THINKING on Canada's part and that takes effort and money. Easier just to follow the American's lead.
Only thing is, the USA has a very large vested interest in the health of Boeing. Oh well, nothing another 500 billion taxpayer dollars poured into "research" for National Defense on the part of Boeing won't cure.
From the link to the CNN article I posted this morning,
"But here's the rub. Pilots have to recognize the problem in order to react appropriately. If they're fighting what feels like a bucking bronco, that's counterintuitive when normal control wheel inputs don't respond. If I pull back on the control wheel in any airplane, the nose should rise and not fall toward the ground. So, while this nightmare is occurring, most likely the crew is being inundated with a menu of error messages and warnings, some of them audible; having multiple distractions is an understatement. And don't forget, in both circumstances the airplanes were relatively close to the ground, shortly after takeoff."
I was amazed at how well written and frank this article was. I can just imagine several alarms going off in the cockpit at the same time and noise and the stress. No human can process all of that crap in a matter of seconds.
Most interesting from the CNN article this morning......
"As for the question so many of you are probably asking: Would I fly on a 737 MAX? Yes, in the United States -- but I can't deny my comfort level would be low."
Just make sure that your will and life insurance are up to date. The Trudeau Liberals are more concerned about the financial health of Quebec based Air Canada than your life. The Asians and Euros got it right this time --- ground the 737 until we know what is crashing these planes.
I said auto pilot because that's what I heard an experienced airline pilot say. "Auto pilot needs to be disabled in the event this happens." But what do I know.
Pilots Complained About Boeing 737 Max 8 For Months Before Second Deadly Crash
Several Pilots repeatedly warned federal authorities of safety concerns over the now-grounded Boeing 737 Max 8 for months leading up to the second deadly disaster involving the plane, according to an investigation by the Dallas Morning News. One captain even called the Max 8's flight manual "inadequate and almost criminally insufficient," according to the report.
"The fact that this airplane requires such jury-rigging to fly is a red flag. Now we know the systems employed are error-prone — even if the pilots aren't sure what those systems are, what redundancies are in place and failure modes. I am left to wonder: what else don't I know?" wrote the captain.
At least five complaints about the Boeing jet were found in a federal database which pilots routinely use to report aviation incidents without fear of repercussions.
The complaints are about the safety mechanism cited in preliminary reports for an October plane crash in Indonesia that killed 189.
The disclosures found by The News reference problems during flights of Boeing 737 Max 8s with an autopilot system during takeoff and nose-down situations while trying to gain altitude. While records show these flights occurred during October and November, information regarding which airlines the pilots were flying for at the time is redacted from the database. -Dallas Morning News
One captain who flies the Max 8 said in November that it was "unconscionable" that Boeing and federal authorities have allowed pilots to fly the plane without adequate training - including a failure to fully disclose how its systems were distinctly different from other planes.
An FAA spokesman said the reporting system is directly filed to NASA, which serves as an neutral third party in the reporting of grievances.
"The FAA analyzes these reports along with other safety data gathered through programs the FAA administers directly, including the Aviation Safety Action Program, which includes all of the major airlines including Southwest and American," said FAA southwest regional spokesman Lynn Lunsford.
Meanwhile, despite several airlines and foreign countries grounding the Max 8, US regulators have so far declined to follow suit. They have, however, mandated that Boeing upgrade the plane's software by April.
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), who chairs a Senate subcommittee overseeing aviation, called for the grounding of the Max 8 in a Thursday statement.
"Further investigation may reveal that mechanical issues were not the cause, but until that time, our first priority must be the safety of the flying public," said Cruz.
At least 18 carriers — including American Airlines and Southwest Airlines, the two largest U.S. carriers flying the 737 Max 8 — have also declined to ground planes, saying they are confident in the safety and "airworthiness" of their fleets. American and Southwest have 24 and 34 of the aircraft in their fleets, respectively. -Dallas Morning News
"The United States should be leading the world in aviation safety," said Transport Workers Union president John Samuelsen. "And yet, because of the lust for profit in the American aviation, we're still flying planes that dozens of other countries and airlines have now said need to grounded."
Several Pilots repeatedly warned federal authorities of safety concerns over the now-grounded Boeing 737 Max 8 for months leading up to the second deadly disaster involving the plane, according to an investigation by the Dallas Morning News. One captain even called the Max 8's flight manual "inadequate and almost criminally insufficient," according to the report.
"The fact that this airplane requires such jury-rigging to fly is a red flag. Now we know the systems employed are error-prone — even if the pilots aren't sure what those systems are, what redundancies are in place and failure modes. I am left to wonder: what else don't I know?" wrote the captain.
At least five complaints about the Boeing jet were found in a federal database which pilots routinely use to report aviation incidents without fear of repercussions.
The complaints are about the safety mechanism cited in preliminary reports for an October plane crash in Indonesia that killed 189.
The disclosures found by The News reference problems during flights of Boeing 737 Max 8s with an autopilot system during takeoff and nose-down situations while trying to gain altitude. While records show these flights occurred during October and November, information regarding which airlines the pilots were flying for at the time is redacted from the database. -Dallas Morning News
One captain who flies the Max 8 said in November that it was "unconscionable" that Boeing and federal authorities have allowed pilots to fly the plane without adequate training - including a failure to fully disclose how its systems were distinctly different from other planes.
An FAA spokesman said the reporting system is directly filed to NASA, which serves as an neutral third party in the reporting of grievances.
"The FAA analyzes these reports along with other safety data gathered through programs the FAA administers directly, including the Aviation Safety Action Program, which includes all of the major airlines including Southwest and American," said FAA southwest regional spokesman Lynn Lunsford.
Meanwhile, despite several airlines and foreign countries grounding the Max 8, US regulators have so far declined to follow suit. They have, however, mandated that Boeing upgrade the plane's software by April.
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), who chairs a Senate subcommittee overseeing aviation, called for the grounding of the Max 8 in a Thursday statement.
"Further investigation may reveal that mechanical issues were not the cause, but until that time, our first priority must be the safety of the flying public," said Cruz.
At least 18 carriers — including American Airlines and Southwest Airlines, the two largest U.S. carriers flying the 737 Max 8 — have also declined to ground planes, saying they are confident in the safety and "airworthiness" of their fleets. American and Southwest have 24 and 34 of the aircraft in their fleets, respectively. -Dallas Morning News
"The United States should be leading the world in aviation safety," said Transport Workers Union president John Samuelsen. "And yet, because of the lust for profit in the American aviation, we're still flying planes that dozens of other countries and airlines have now said need to grounded."
As the latest news in this evening, the entire EU continent has forbidden any Boeing 737 Max 8 flying in their entire airspace, so does with India. As a result, there is not much room in the airspace to fly around the world because EU and Indian airspace are the backbone flying routes of most of the international flights.
Boeing stocks has lost about 20% of its value since the recent tragedy in Ethiopia which has wiped out 150+ lives and about 25 billions USD of Boeing's equity value in the stock market.
I ain't fly in any of the Boeing 737 Max 8 in the rest of my life!!!
Boeing stocks has lost about 20% of its value since the recent tragedy in Ethiopia which has wiped out 150+ lives and about 25 billions USD of Boeing's equity value in the stock market.
I ain't fly in any of the Boeing 737 Max 8 in the rest of my life!!!
