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David007

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So which was the Christ, Paul or Jesus?

Further is St. Paul speaking literally - this as a laundry list anything on it bad, anything not on it good. Or is St. Paul making a point about needing to do something to receive Grace - a very non Calvinist perspective. Further is St. Paul not arguing against other Christians who take a position contrary to his?
I'm not going to debate hermeneutics (not that I can't, I have a Masters in Theological Studies), the point was the propensity to cherry pick.

I am now an atheist so IMO the contents of the Bible are in the same category as the Quran, the Book of Mormon, Tripitaka, Rig Veta, etc. All written by man. Interesting from a literature perspective, but definitely not a source of moral authority.
 

JamesDouglas

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I'm not going to debate hermeneutics (not that I can't, I have a Masters in Theological Studies), the point was the propensity to cherry pick.

I am now an atheist so IMO the contents of the Bible are in the same category as the Quran, the Book of Mormon, Tripitaka, Rig Veta, etc. All written by man. Interesting from a literature perspective, but definitely not a source of moral authority.
Very interesting. When did you become an atheist? What was the catalyst, and what made you realize that all religious books are manmade?
 

dreamblade

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The concept that sex is a sin if not for procreation is combination of 2 ideas. The sin of Onan, and the absorption of Gnostic philosophy into early Christian world view, holding that the flesh should be ignored in favour of a higher goal of developping the spirit.

As for SP's being religious or not, many, if not most, people require a spiritual aspect to their lives, that includes sex workers. Yes, they may look like goddesses, but they are still human.
 

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IMO the contents of the Bible are in the same category as the Quran, the Book of Mormon, Tripitaka, Rig Veta, etc. All written by man. Interesting from a literature perspective, but definitely not a source of moral authority.
I'd very much like to know about any source of moral authority other than the above.
 

MCHONE999

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Wow, really? Something tells me you are a church goer.
I go on occasion when i need time to reflect and hear an interpretation of the gospel. I may or may not agree, but i listen.....just like on this board.
I'm not a bible thumper,but i know some that are, and some that fit into my second category. I don't get there every sunday and i've missed some Christmas and Easter services. I aint perfect.
 

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Two kinds of folks go to church.....those who are looking for answers, salvation,inspiration and comfort....and the hypocrites who think its only for the holier-than-thou.
Just to clarify for me,...are saying that anybody who does not go to church, is a hypocrite ???

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I'd very much like to know about any source of moral authority other than the above.
None of the above are my moral authority, never have, never will.

And definitely hasn't been a good example for a lot of people over the ages.

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MCHONE999

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My regrets on the misunderstanding. What I'm saying is that i see people who attend mass with a hollier than thou attitude that believe only the virtuous may attend and the sinners should abide elsewhere. That is the hypocrisy, because Christ hung out with the sinners and not the saints. If someone does not go to church, they are by no means hypocrites. They are comfortable with their understanding of the universe, their belief in whatever deity they choose, and what they want out of life. God bless them for if they're happy with that why should anyone judge?
 

MCHONE999

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As for the darling Madonna, …........i could see myself praying at her altar -hummanah, hummanah, hummanah. Like i said, i'm not perfect.
 

David007

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Very interesting. When did you become an atheist? What was the catalyst, and what made you realize that all religious books are manmade?
I became an Atheist about two years ago. I know some people hate Canada Man's posts, but it was one of his postings to a Richard Dawkins video that got the ball rolling for me. After reading Dawkins, Hitchens, Krauss, Harris and Coyne, the key arguments that settled it for me were the problem of evil and the silence of God. Specifically what makes more sense, that suffering in the world is due to our being in a fallen state, or because we live in a stochastic world? I believe the latter. Also (in reference to the scriptures), why is there a multiplicity of religions and denominations? One would expect a sovereign, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and loving God to be able to communicate to us in a way that would be very clear. On the other hand if religion evolved naturally, the multiplicity of religions and denominations are exactly what you would expect to see.

I had been agnostic for 15 years. My deconversion however started with the problem of hell. As an evangelical I believed that hell was real and it was eternal, but my rational self started to nag me about the billions upon billions who would be spending eternity in hell. I was an ordained evangelist, had a radio program, held revival meetings, and taught apologetics, but the problem of hell kept eating away at me.

Back to the point on cherry picking. There is a movement in the Evangelical church now that denies eternal hell! So here we see the evolution of region at work!
 

JamesDouglas

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I became an Atheist about two years ago. I know some people hate Canada Man's posts, but it was one of his postings to a Richard Dawkins video that got the ball rolling for me. After reading Dawkins, Hitchens, Krauss, Harris and Coyne, the key arguments that settled it for me were the problem of evil and the silence of God. Specifically what makes more sense, that suffering in the world is due to our being in a fallen state, or because we live in a stochastic world? I believe the latter. Also (in reference to the scriptures), why is there a multiplicity of religions and denominations? One would expect a sovereign, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and loving God to be able to communicate to us in a way that would be very clear. On the other hand if religion evolved naturally, the multiplicity of religions and denominations are exactly what you would expect to see.

I had been agnostic for 15 years. My deconversion however started with the problem of hell. As an evangelical I believed that hell was real and it was eternal, but my rational self started to nag me about the billions upon billions who would be spending eternity in hell. I was an ordained evangelist, had a radio program, held revival meetings, and taught apologetics, but the problem of hell kept eating away at me.

Back to the point on cherry picking. There is a movement in the Evangelical church now that denies eternal hell! So here we see the evolution of region at work!
As a child I started off believing in religion, but as I grew older and studied the history of religion, read the bible from cover to cover, and discovered the inconsistencies, contradictions, scientific falsehoods, and errors, I realized it's just a primitive old manmade book. There's nothing divine about it.

Here are some things that made me not believe in religion:
-To start with, everyone who believes in a religion believes that 99.9999% of all religions are manmade, except of course their own religion. Pretty convenient.
-Most people who belong to a religion are part of a religion that they were born into, the same religion as their parents, very convenient how the "right" religion just happens to be the religion someone was born into, yes there are converts, but a very insignificant number. The same devout Catholic born in Italy, would be a devout Muslim if he were born in Saudi Arabia instead, and vice versa.
-Man has created religion since the beginning of time, every culture, throughout every period of time has created or followed a religion. Thousands upon thousands of religions have come and gone since the beginning of humanity, it's clear that people love creating religions by observing history.
-Man has created many Gods throughout history with different names and different characteristics, but one thing has remained consistent, all of these Gods have been manmade.
-Talking snakes have never existed, man has never lived to be over 900 years old, and it's impossible for a super senior that's 500 years old to build a wooden ark the size of a football stadium.
-Stoning people to death for being homosexual, an adulterer or violating the sabbath is something only primitive humans could come up with, not God.
-In the days of the bible so many were supposedly speaking to God, but now we know that those who speak to God are just schizophrenic.
-A lot of the biblical stories were influenced by Babylonian and Egyptian religion. The "eye for an eye" concept comes from the Code of Hammurabi, written hundreds of years before the bible. In the preface to the law code, Hammurabi states, "Anu and Bel called by name me, Hammurabi, the exalted prince, who feared Marduk, the chief god of Babylon, to bring about the rule in the land."On the stone slab there are 44 columns and 28 paragraphs that contained over 282 laws... Laws written on stone slabs by someone who was chosen by God, sound familiar? Moses and the ten commandments anyone?

I can go on but my point has been made.
 

MrMessi

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I'm not catching on to what that 'evil sin" SP's would have? When is having sex an evil sin? It's a natural thing that brings pleasure to those who practice it. How is that evil? Who's definition of evil are we using ?
The topic on hand is religious escorts. Majority of the world religions, Islam, Christianity and Judaism see fornication and adultery as a major sin. I'm sure semi religious escorts are aware that it is a sin.

Never said or meant sex was a sin, it's common sense what I said but than again your a nooby on this board, can't expect anything less.
 

nobody123

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I can go on but my point has been made.
Not entirely. You've made several strong points in favour of not being a biblical literalist. But you have given no real argument against believing in God in general, or even the Christian God (assuming a looser interpretation of the bibble).
 
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