Elon Musk dismantles USAID

[shack]

The courts won't stop trump, project 2025 or Musk at this point.
Now all science and health care will be filtered through the brain worm or Musk. Fire all scientists and Musk will be left using Tesla as the sanctioned source for science.

All those things you listed are the problem of Americans rather than Canadians. They're the ones that have to live in that country and deal with him on a daily basis..

The bulk of stuff he'll do will be like that. The international stuff is a different thing.

 

[Valcazar]

But what if the DoJ, headed by attorney general Bondi refuses to prosecute the case. If anything Judge Gertner may be the one going to jail.

This is exactly the crisis brewing.

There's a constitutional norm that the executive obeys a judicial ruling.

And that norm looks more and more like it will be tested further.

To simply toss that means the US is no better than Peron's Argentina or Orban's Hungary. A lawless, stupid corrupt kleptocracy of dumb. It will basically cause a constitutional crisis and destroy the USA.

Yes.

 

[Valcazar]

Sure, but whether you use that as justification for police crackdowns is different.
There were no police crackdowns the same way on climate protests or BLM.

What?

Peaceful assembly under threat: crackdown on environmental and BLM protesters - Civicus Monitor

Over the last six months there has been a significant crackdown on environmental and Black Lives Matter (BLM) protesters, through the use of police violence, arrests and anti-terrorism legislation to prosecute protestors. In particular, environmental protestors have been labelled as domestic...

monitor.civicus.org

https://www.amnestyusa.org/aiusa-documents-police-violence-against-protestors-for-black-lives/

Police and Protests: The Inequity of Police Responses to Racial Justices Demonstrations - The Thurgood Marshall Institute at LDF

Sandhya Kajeepeta Senior Researcher Daniel K.N. Johnson Senior Research Fellow Content Warning: Themes and images of racism, violence, and police brutality are discussed throughout this brief. Please proceed with caution and care. Background Findings Implications Strategies Methodology...

tminstituteldf.org

Violence Against Black Lives Matter Protestors: a Review - PMC

The Black Lives Matter (BLM) protests against racialized police violence represents the most prolific mass social movement in modern times. It has been met by sustained and repressive violence by state authorities and right-wing groups. This review ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Demonstrations and Political Violence in America: New Data for Summer 2020

Preliminary analysis of key trends from May to August.

acleddata.com

Are you really going to argue that country's response to Palestine protests was the same as to climate protests?

As to climate protests?
No.
There is less systematic police violence against climate protests in the US. (That's more of a UK/Australia thing.)

Repression of climate and environmental protest is intensifying

Climate protests increased dramatically in 2018-2019 and have not declined since - and so has the repression they face.

www.climatechangenews.com

How criminalisation is being used to silence climate activists across the world

Guardian investigation finds growing number of countries passing anti-protest laws as part of playbook of tactics to intimidate people peacefully raising the alarm

www.theguardian.com

But not none.

The U.S. has a long history of environmental protests. Police had never killed an activist — until now.

Police have often been important intermediaries in environmental protests. In a forest outside Atlanta, they were opponents.

www.nbcnews.com

Universities and students have seen a year and bit of heavy censorship and removing people who protest.
Do you really think they are energized to protest more or wary of how much it cost them during a 'moderate' government?

Of course they are more wary.
Trump explicitly campaigned on cracking down on them with Federal authority and encouraging the already over-the-top local police responses.

 

[shack]

This is exactly the crisis brewing.

And that norm looks more and more like it will be tested further.

Yes.

At what point do the Repug congressmen and senators say "enough is enough we can't let you destroy our 250 year democratic system"? Is there even such a point?

If it does happen, I thing the elected GoP officials are more complicit than trump.

 

[kherg007]

The best term I heard for what musk is doing is "viral propoganda" coined by authoritarian expert Anne Applebaum. It's there to inflame and distract.

He has yet to uncover any fraud so it seems. He's not transparent. And it is now reported that the agencies he's attacked first have all had open investigations on him and his companies. Given he lives off USA government contracts himself this IS the definition of conflict of interest.

 

[Frankfooter]

What?


As to climate protests?
No.
There is less systematic police violence against climate protests in the US. (That's more of a UK/Australia thing.)


But not none.

Its likely a good debate about whether crack downs on marches were more hardcore than crackdown on student encampments on university grounds. But the main point is that Biden appeared to support crackdowns on those encampments which were happening at the same time he had to start making his own appearances become more secret to avoid protesters at all his events.

The same way the crackdown politically at universities against Palestinian activism is laying the ground for a student body that is wary about protesting against a more repressive regime.

Biden laid the ground.

 

[jalimon]

The best term I heard for what musk is doing is "viral propoganda" coined by authoritarian expert Anne Applebaum. It's there to inflame and distract.

He has yet to uncover any fraud so it seems. He's not transparent. And it is now reported that the agencies he's attacked first have all had open investigations on him and his companies. Given he lives off USA government contracts himself this IS the definition of conflict of interest.

Just ask an AI platform like DeepSeek this question " What investigation Musk's company are underway?" and it will indeed list all ongoing investigations... Let's ask again in a few months...

 

[Valcazar]

At what point do the Repug congressmen and senators say "enough is enough we can't let you destroy our 250 year democratic system"? Is there even such a point?

If it does happen, I thing the elected GoP officials are more complicit than trump.

They have been complicit.
For many of them, they know that they could make many of the changes Trump wants legally, but that would involve having to negotiate and maybe not getting all of it and also people would be able to point to them and blame them if unhappy.
Much better to hand over their power, let Trump attack the things they want removed, and just assume Trump will give them their power and authority back once he's done doing the stuff they all want.

Lots of them aren't particularly attached to the idea of a democratic system.
The prediction several years ago was simple -- If conservatives become convinced they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will abandon democracy. "

There are a handful of old-school GOP floating around who might finally think enough is enough, but they are outnumbered and most won't have the courage to actually switch sides or go independent and vote meaningfully.

 

[shack]

Its likely a good debate about whether crack downs on marches were more hardcore than crackdown on student encampments on university grounds. But the main point is that Biden appeared to support crackdowns on those encampments which were happening at the same time he had to start making his own appearances become more secret to avoid protesters at all his events.

The same way the crackdown politically at universities against Palestinian activism is laying the ground for a student body that is wary about protesting against a more repressive regime.

Biden laid the ground.

Oh look. We have a thread about internal American politics and suddenly pro-Palestine college protests pop up. LOL.

 

[shack]

They have been complicit.
For many of them, they know that they could make many of the changes Trump wants legally, but that would involve having to negotiate and maybe not getting all of it and also people would be able to point to them and blame them if unhappy.
Much better to hand over their power, let Trump attack the things they want removed, and just assume Trump will give them their power and authority back once he's done doing the stuff they all want.

Lots of them aren't particularly attached to the idea of a democratic system.
The prediction several years ago was simple -- If conservatives become convinced they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will abandon democracy. "

There are a handful of old-school GOP floating around who might finally think enough is enough, but they are outnumbered and most won't have the courage to actually switch sides or go independent and vote meaningfully.

Seeing as the GoP majorities are slim, it might not take many to upset the apple cart.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

 

[Valcazar]

The best term I heard for what musk is doing is "viral propoganda" coined by authoritarian expert Anne Applebaum. It's there to inflame and distract.

It's a good term.

He has yet to uncover any fraud so it seems. He's not transparent. And it is now reported that the agencies he's attacked first have all had open investigations on him and his companies. Given he lives off USA government contracts himself this IS the definition of conflict of interest.

Looks like we've reached the "steal money from other jurisdictions" point of the proceedings.

'Highway robbery': Furious NYC comptroller accuses Musk of stealing $80 million from city

New York City comptroller Brad Lander on Wednesday accused X owner Elon Musk of stealing $80 million from his city.In speaking out about the alleged theft, Lander accused Musk of "highway robbery" by removing $80 million that had been allocated by the federal government to help New York house...

www.rawstory.com

 

[Valcazar]

Its likely a good debate about whether crack downs on marches were more hardcore than crackdown on student encampments on university grounds. But the main point is that Biden appeared to support crackdowns on those encampments which were happening at the same time he had to start making his own appearances become more secret to avoid protesters at all his events.

The same way the crackdown politically at universities against Palestinian activism is laying the ground for a student body that is wary about protesting against a more repressive regime.

Biden laid the ground.

So you are taking all the local authorities off the hook?
It's all Biden?

And because of that, there will be no protests against Trump's Gaza Ethnic Cleansing plan, because everyone is afraid due to Biden?

(I do like the hand wave to "It's likely a good debate about whether crack downs on marches were more hardcore than crackdown on student encampments on university grounds" after confidently asserting complete bullshit and being called out on it.)

 

[Frankfooter]

So you are taking all the local authorities off the hook?
It's all Biden?

And because of that, there will be no protests against Trump's Gaza Ethnic Cleansing plan, because everyone is afraid due to Biden?

(I do like the hand wave to "It's likely a good debate about whether crack downs on marches were more hardcore than crackdown on student encampments on university grounds" after confidently asserting complete bullshit and being called out on it.)

I'm not taking local authorities off the hook, just noting that the ok for crackdowns came from the top.
You keep trying to resort to straw man arguments, I'm not talking absolutes, just policy.

Your attacks on trump for stifling opposition and debate just look weak after you spent a year saying its ok, and you should vote for it when Biden supported it. Arguing now that you are really against trump's attack on the rule of law while supporting Biden while he did similar makes you look hypocritical.

When you attack people arguing for basic human rights and trying to not actively take part in war crimes you end up arguing the same for the same thing trump is doing now. Biden destroyed US respect for international law and domestic rules for a year. Only now are you saying its important to fight those changes.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

How else can you expect a narcissistic Nazi's son to behave?

https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/elon-musk-son-shut-your-mouth-trump-b2697104.html

Musk’s four-year-old son tells Trump crowd ‘shut your mouth’ as he interrupts press conference
Elon Musk’s four-year-old son X Æ A-Xii appeared to tell a crowd in Donald Trump’s Oval Office press conference “shut your mouth” as he made a surprise appearance alongside the billionaire on Tuesday, 11 February.
The father-of-12 paraded his son as the US president signed an executive order to bolster the Department of Government Efficiency’s powers in government.
X was seen mimicking Musk’s gestures and picking his nose before wiping it on the Resolute desk, gifted to President Rutherford Hayes by Queen Victoria in 1880 and used by nearly every president since.

 

[Frankfooter]

How else can you expect a narcissistic Nazi's son to behave?

https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/elon-musk-son-shut-your-mouth-trump-b2697104.html

Musk’s four-year-old son tells Trump crowd ‘shut your mouth’ as he interrupts press conference
Elon Musk’s four-year-old son X Æ A-Xii appeared to tell a crowd in Donald Trump’s Oval Office press conference “shut your mouth” as he made a surprise appearance alongside the billionaire on Tuesday, 11 February.
The father-of-12 paraded his son as the US president signed an executive order to bolster the Department of Government Efficiency’s powers in government.
X was seen mimicking Musk’s gestures and picking his nose before wiping it on the Resolute desk, gifted to President Rutherford Hayes by Queen Victoria in 1880 and used by nearly every president since.

The nose picking was also excellent. trump looks like an idiot.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1889790463529394460

 

[kherg007]

It's a good term.



Looks like we've reached the "steal money from other jurisdictions" point of the proceedings.

'Highway robbery': Furious NYC comptroller accuses Musk of stealing $80 million from city

New York City comptroller Brad Lander on Wednesday accused X owner Elon Musk of stealing $80 million from his city.In speaking out about the alleged theft, Lander accused Musk of "highway robbery" by removing $80 million that had been allocated by the federal government to help New York house...

www.rawstory.com

It's now even worse. Elon got himself a contract where the US State department will buy $400million worth of his overhyped and under delivered cyber trucks.
So, whilst he's screwing honest workers and farmers, he's self dealing. Again, this is textbook corruption.

State Department to buy $400m ‘armored’ Teslas from Elon Musk

As Musk continues to gut government agencies, his company prepares to rake in big federal bucks

www.independent.co.uk

MOREOVER, the worst people in the world are applauding the shut down of USAid. And now they want a list from musk who received USAid money in their shithole countries so they can arrest them.

Elon is the dictators handmaiden for sure.

 

[basketcase]

A big question after last year is whether we will see mass student protests again.
After Biden came down hard and with physical force on students protesting Palestine, the worry is they will be scared to protest against someone like Trump, who will come down with even more force.

Wow. It took frank this long to bring his obsession into the thread.

And you're dumb is you think Biden was orchestrating anything. As I said before, you goy played into backing Trump.

 

[Frankfooter]

Wow. It took frank this long to bring his obsession into the thread.

And you're dumb is you think Biden was orchestrating anything. As I said before, you goy played into backing Trump.

This has been part of the discussion for a few days.
If you want to butt in and claim everything is always about Israel at least join the conversation.

Studends suffered under attacks for protesting for Palestinian human rights, along with attacks on faculty.
Now they are going to be more worried about protesting trump.

trump will try to import Israeli police state tactics.