Elon does the Nazi salute

Knuckle Ball

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None of this is surprising. Trump has been channeling Hitler throughout his campaign…Elon has previously expressed support for neo-Nazis.

This is the same old playbook from Trump’s last term:
1. Say or do something wildly inappropriate;
2. When people react, deny doing what everyone just saw you do and accuse them of TDS:
3. Return to Step 1.

This is not a glitch. It is not a mistake. This is an ongoing and integral part of Trump World.
 

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This article suggests giving Elon the benefit of the doubt. It seems to me that Elon has not done much to earn that trust; in fact, he’s done quite the opposite.


Did He Actually Do That?
Elon Musk either had a slipped-mask moment or is supremely awkward.
By Charlie WarzelJanuary 20, 2025, 9:09 PM ET
Elon Musk at Donald Trump's inauguration rally

Illustration by The Atlantic. Source: Angela Weiss / AFP / Getty.
Did Elon Musk actually toss off a Sieg heil! at Donald Trump’s inauguration rally today?

A lot of people online seem to think he did, based on data from their eyeballs. Freeze-frame images of Musk on social media show the world’s richest man at a podium in Washington, D.C.’s Capital One Arena engaging in what could definitely be construed as a Nazi salute. Video clips of Musk’s speech support this conclusion. Musk stands at the podium, graced with the presidential seal, and thanks the crowd. Then he forcefully slaps his right hand to his chest and rather violently extends his arm outward diagonally to the audience. Multiple historians have backed the ideathat Musk’s gesture was indeed a Nazi salute. “Thank you,” Musk says. He makes the gesture to the crowd, turns 180 degrees, and repeats it to the rest of the crowd behind him. “My heart goes out to you,” he adds, placing his hand back on his chest.

What’s left out of much of the discussion is that Musk is supremely, almost cosmically, awkward and stilted. All close observers of Musk—and I am one—know this.

So which one is it? A mask-off full-Nazi moment or just a graceless tech baron not in full control of both his arms and his feelings? (It wouldn’t be the first time he’s embarrassed himself onstage using his limbs.) I would urge you to watch the video for yourself.

Musk has not yet commented publicly on what he did, and he did not respond to my inquiry about what, exactly, he thought he was doing up there. (It’s worth noting that the video Musk posted of his speech did not show Musk performing the gesture head-on—it cut away to the crowd; a C-SPAN clip shows it in full, though.) Eventually, he will almost certainly deny that he Sieg heiled. If history is a guide, he will post on X, scoffing at the accusations. He could make a self-deprecating joke about being so excited that he wasn’t aware of his body. He could act like a troll, like he did when a German magazine likened him to a member of Hitler’s cabinet, and he responded, “I did Nazi that coming.” The most disturbing response might be if he says nothing at all. So far, he has posted several times on X today without addressing the matter.

Musk’s X has given a megaphone to bigots and restored the accounts of banned racists. I’ve argued that Musk has turned X into a white-supremacist website. Musk himself has spent recent weeks enthusiastically endorsing Germany’s far-right political party, Alternative für Deutschland, or AfD. Members of the party have had documented ties to neo-Nazis; in 2018, the co-leader of the AfD downplayedthe significance of the Holocaust and the crimes of the Nazi regime. Musk has endorsed posts about the racist “Great Replacement” conspiracy theory. Even those inside the MAGA movement have voiced concerns about Musk. This month, the former Trump adviser Steve Bannon called Musk “a truly evil guy, a very bad guy.” He used the word racistto describe Musk and others in Trump’s Silicon Valley inner circle who have South African heritage: “Why do we have South Africans, the most racist people on earth, white South Africans, we have them making any comments at all on what goes on in the United States?”

All of this informs how one might interpret Musk on the stage today. Above all else, Musk is a troll, an edgelord. He delights in “triggering” his ideological enemies, which includes the media. And his gesture—whatever the intent—has done just that. In a way, the uproar online over Musk is reminiscent of an incident in the first months of the first Trump administration, when two pro-Trump influencers were photographed in the White House press room making the “OK” hand gesture. The photo was interpreted by some media members as a white-power symbol. Reporters and organizations such as the Anti-Defamation League traced it back to racist message boards like 4chan’s /pol/ board. Eventually, however, the gestures appeared to be part of an attempt, by 4chan, to trick the mainstream media into overreacting and turning the handiwork of a few trolls into national news. The whole affair was exhausting and difficult to follow. A message board that trafficked in hate speech created a fake hate-speech symbol to try to trick the media into calling something racist. (The ADL, it is worth noting, has extended Musk the benefit of the doubt, issuing a statement that Musk made an “awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm, not a Nazi salute,” and encouraged everyone to “give one another a bit of grace.”)

None of that is to suggest that Musk’s salute wasn’t genuine. A practiced troll consistently crosses redlines because they want to offend and trigger. They also swaddle their actions in enough detached irony and cynicism that allow them to relentlessly mock or harass anyone who dares take them seriously. There is every reason to take a right-wing troll at face value, and yet doing so often means giving them what they want: an intense reaction they can use against you.

For now, all anyone has to understand Musk’s motives is a damning video, his past words and actions, and plenty of circumstantial evidence about his beliefs. What is undeniable is that watching Musk do that onstage while thousands stood on their feet cheering was more than ominous. Across the internet, Wired reports, neo-Nazis are thrilled at what they believe is a direct signal from the centibillionaire. In many ways, it is a fitting spectacle to begin the second Trump administration: a bunch of people arguing endlessly over something everyone can see with their own eyes.


Funny how things like this never happen at Dem events.
 

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No.

It's quite obvious that was the neo-Nazi, "My Heart Goes Out To You" Salute.
I know you're playing with their bullshit, but remember your Sartre.

“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

Musk is trolling because he knows he can get away with it.
The point here is to "be edgy" and people will fall over themselves offering BS "explanations" for it.
The idea is to frustrate you as you try to get them admit reality.

Remember the "ok" hand gesture as white power symbol?
It's the same basic concept.

I'm sure this thread is full of people defending him and accusing people of misunderstanding it.
If the toadies are willing to go to the mattresses defending it, expect more of this in the future.
Once it is just "the leftist media's fault" then flashing nazi salutes "ironically" will be the cool thing to do.

(ETA: I see Oracle wins the prize at post #6 with the "oh, it was just an emotional gesture and that he's socially awkward" defense.)
 

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Why would anybody be surprised that Elon does the NAZI salute. If you look at the attendees at the inauguration it is a model for Corporatism, Trump and Musk, Bezos, Zuckerberg, Apple guy etc.
Corporatism is one of the cornerstones of Fascism.
 
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Valcazar

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Irrespective of what Musk did or did not say, that gesture of his did mimic a Nazi salute.
But you desperately tried to compare it to the Ancient Roman one. Admit that you got that one wrong for once!!
Oracle doesn't have to admit anything.
He just can switch to "it was done to troll you guys" when he needs to.
You have to stop assuming he is arguing in good faith.
 

Valcazar

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Oh boy, if there ever was a way to stir up controversy. Nailed it!

I'm by no means a Trump/Musk fan. That said, I have a really hard time believing he was doing a Nazi salute on purpose.
Why?
Like you just said, it's a great way to stir up controversy.
He nailed it.
Give him credit for his purpose and execution here.
 

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Oracle doesn't have to admit anything.
He just can switch to "it was done to troll you guys" when he needs to.
You have to stop assuming he is arguing in good faith.
In my experience, the people who “troll” others with Nazi salutes, the OK sign, etc inevitably turn out to be Nazis…just like the people who defend them.
 

Valcazar

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This article suggests giving Elon the benefit of the doubt. It seems to me that Elon has not done much to earn that trust; in fact, he’s done quite the opposite.
Bending towards power means giving him the benefit of the doubt.
Proving he can get away with it and even "the hostile press" [sic] will rush to excuse it is likely part of why he did it.
Now they know they can do more.

Note the article correctly draws the parallel to the previous stuff with the "ok" symbol but downplays all of that as well.
 

Valcazar

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In my experience, the people who “troll” others with Nazi salutes, the OK sign, etc inevitably turn out to be Nazis…just like the people who defend them.
Yes, which is why it is a waste of time to argue with them and try to get them to admit to what they are doing.
(See the Sartre quote.)

You saw what it was.
Don't waste time trying to get Oracle to "admit" anything.
It's pointless.
Just don't forget what you saw.
 

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Note the article correctly draws the parallel to the previous stuff with the "ok" symbol but downplays all of that as well.
The ''ok'' symbol...LOL...Another false narrative at the time...Then they started trolling you guys with it.
 

Valcazar

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The ''ok'' symbol...LOL...Another false narrative at the time...Then they started trolling you guys with it.
Yes.
Make up a "fake" white power symbol for white power people to use and then claim deniability.
White supremacists choosing a symbol to share to show they are in on the joke and recognize each other.
Which makes it... a white power symbol.

This is what Elon is doing, just as you say.
Do the salute, let people claim it wasn't really that, and soon enough people will be doing the "from my heart" gesture because it "owns the libs".

Like I said, I have no intention of getting your admission.
You are aware of the absurdity of your replies. By giving ridiculous reasons, you discredit the seriousness of your interlocutors.
 
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