Eliminate the term GFE

[George OTJ]

Over the last few months, I've read a number of threads about what 'GFE' means and I'd reached the conclusion that it was a pretty usless term. Some posters think of it in terms of a gentler encounter - a 'seduction' if you will. Others insist that it means what you want from your real-life girl friends (RL-GF). As most guys want their RL-GFs to act like porn-stars in the bedroom, there doesn't seem to be much of a distinctin between GFE and PSE - or atleast, there is a LOT of overlap between the terms. As it doesn't look like their will be any consense on the definition of a GFE, I was wondering if anyone had ideas on a different term to represent the gentler, seductive type of encounter featuring caressing, snuggling, teasing, LFK would be nice?

There was a thread not too long ago titled "Is it time for me to quite?" which got me wondering... What about...

SOE - 'Significant Other' Experience
HME - Honey-moon Experience
GSE - Gentle Seduction Experience
ISE - Intimate Seduction Experience

I visited Fairbanks Hotel for the first time this week. For comparison.....
I think Trina(Tina) at Fairbanks gives a pretty good ISE.
Asia would probably be more of a GFE as others use the term.
Leslie would probably be more of a PSE.

 

[h_upmann]

When I first heard the term GFE, I thought it was a great word. I didn't realize it was associated with BBBJ/DFK/MSOG et al. which are very nice but don't define GFE to me.

My hobbying has tended towards monogamous (about 12 in a row at one point). Obviously that girl was, to me, a Girlfriend Experience. Did she offer these services? Of course she did, but more importantly I enjoyed her company. She laughed at my jokes and pretended to be interested in my stories.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that these acronyms are neither necessary nor sufficient for a GirlFriendExperience.

 

[Goober Mcfly]

Could someone tell me what all those acronyms mean? BBBJ, GFE, PSE, DFK, MSOG etc?

Thanks.

 

[jerbear]

GFE ; Goober Fucking Everything.
MSOG; Man Shoots On Goober.
PSE ; Pretty Small Erection.
DFK ; Dam Fucking Kinky
BBBJ ; Ball Biting Bastard John.

 

[parang]

ole dad

Well goob you are too young to understand or appreciate.
Signed:- Your dad

 

[pineappleguy]

It doesn't make sense to replace two moderately fuzzy terms with four VERY fuzzy terms.

Besides, I'm not sure I'd want a honeymoon experience - wouldn't that be defined as "the last bj you'll ever receive"?

 

[Kathy P]

LOL Pineappleguy. Sounds like you married the wrong lady - should have given me the ring. You'd get your investment back in a month with my skills...................................shill...................

 

[jerbear]

Yeh baby, sound likes she could make a peach outta that rough pineapple.
LOL.

 

[homonger]

I have long been an advocate of elimination of the gfe term. I would much rather just have the reviewer state what services were provided, what the sp's attitude was like, what the overall atmosphere was like, etc., than use this useless term.

 

[Rezdog]

Goob. If you weren't a Sens fan, I'd tell ya'.

 

[George OTJ]

It doesn't make sense to replace two moderately fuzzy terms with four VERY fuzzy terms.

I wasn't thinking of replacing two terms with four. I was thinking of a new term to replace GFE to represent "the gentler, seductive type of encounter featuring caressing, snuggling, teasing, LFK would be nice?". The type of experience that Dave from Pheonix(?) seems to prefer if I understand his posts correctly.

This is different then what seems to be the 'norm' of SP encounters and is at the opposite end from a Porn Star Experience which features "wild and crazy sex".

 

[homonger]

I think that GFE should used to discribe the feeling that you got and service themselves can be listed, but then guys bitch about BBBJ and no DFK and disagree the reviewers feelings [not experience] about the session. Maybe if that stops, then the term can finally be used in a useful manner.

Kiarra

It's never going to stop. Therefore it is a useless term.

 

[pineappleguy]

Oops!

I wasn't thinking of replacing two terms with four.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! I get it now. Sorry for the misinterpretation.

Still, the problem with the term "GFE" seems to be that there are "degrees of GFE" that mean different things to different people. Hence, my expectation that we were trying to come up with a few sub-categories that refined the definition and helped to set expectations more accurately.

So how would you categorize different levels of "GF"? The old "first base" / "second base..." system is completely insufficient here. What do you think?

 

[George OTJ]

Re: Oops!

Still, the problem with the term "GFE" seems to be that there are "degrees of GFE" that mean different things to different people. Hence, my expectation that we were trying to come up with a few sub-categories that refined the definition and helped to set expectations more accurately.

So how would you categorize different levels of "GF"? The old "first base" / "second base..." system is completely insufficient here. What do you think?

It is the fact that there are so many variations which is why GFE is useless. You will never get enough people to agree on the term to make it useful. Too many guys are looking for totally different things and are attracted to different pesonalites for GFE to be useful. They always (as did I) judge a GFE to mean what they'd like from their 'real-life' girl friend.

Instead, I think we'd get better concensous on term which doesn't automatically make us thing of our 'real-life' girl friend, or our 'real-life' significant other.

Of the four I listed on the poll, I prefer "Intimate Seduction experience" because the words IMHO are a lot less subjective then GFE, it's more likely that, when the term is used it will be used with some consistency.

 

[BehindtheLens]

BGFE-bitchy girl friend experience
HGFE-hot girl friend experience
PGFE=pornstyle girl friend experience
MMGFE-marraige material girlfriend experience

 

[George OTJ]

GFE is always going to be an issue and even if you change the terms the problem is going to be the same, an expereince just like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Nothing can be done about that.

And that, in a nut shell, is why it shouldn't be used anymore.

but then guys bitch about BBBJ and no DFK and disagree the reviewers feelings [not experience] about the session. Maybe if that stops, then the term can finally be used in a useful manner.

It will never stop because too many guys want BBBJ, DFK and MSOGs from their girl friends. So these guys have two choices; take a chance on a 'norm' SP, or look for an SP that offers a Porn Star Experience.

I think that GFE should used to discribe the feeling that you got .....

Must disagree with you. Again, too many guys are looking for too many different things - and they will always think GFE = Girl Friend. So how they 'feel' about a sesion depends on how close she came to 'his' idea of a girl friend.

I think it's a lot simpiler to look at it ONLY in terms of how the SP approaches the session. If she's a 'wild lusty sex kitten", then I think most guys would expect to be heading for a PSE. On the other hand, if the lady acts demure and starts out with gentle caresses, a little flirting, and a little snuggling, chances are the guys more likely in for a ISE.
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As a side note, I think the right term could also help out the ladies selecting the clientel that she want's to see. It's been commented by a number of SPs that they don't like to list the services that offer because what they offer depends on (a) the client, and (b) how comfortable they are with the client.

TERB gives us guys a lot of opportunities to pick and choose who we would like to see. The ladies on the other hand don't have nearly the same opportunities to research the guys they are seeing for the first time.

If the SP lists herself as a PSE, guys are going to think BBBJ,DFK,MSOG,GREEK are all on the menu.

If the SP lists herself as a ISE, guys should know the SP isn't offering those kind of services. This means less hassles for the ladies and fewer negative reviews from guys who really wanted a PSE.
Now, if the SP offering ISE clicks with the guy, then maybe she'll surprise him with a BBBJ or in the 'heat of passion' offer DFK, but then it's 'ladies choice' rather then an expected service.

 

[shack]

Considering the results of this poll to date (85% think GFE/PFE is sufficient/new term is waste of time) a lot of time is being wasted discussing this "once again".

 

[Snake Pliskin]

She felt close to you like a girlfriend while you all cuddled after the main event. She looked in your eyes while you DFK, her touch was soft and sensual, all the markings of a GFE. The main event was hot, sweaty, non stop sex in every position imaginable, lots of noise, lots of fun, and you feel like you could not have sex for a month becuase you are that drained would be like a PSE.

Whew! Not GFE, not PSE, or maybe both GFE AND PSE!

EKE = Erotic Kiarra Experience!

 

[train]

Again I will say the TERMS like GFE/PSE should not be used to discribe service, but to discribe the feeling that you had while there. That would make things a hell of alot easier.

Kiarra

I think , for many , it was originally an easy and convenient way to describe service levels with out sounding explicit or tedious . Somewhere along the way the term got hijacked and is now so ambiguous that it is of little value .

If you think " beauty is in the eye of the beholder " then wait till you see the differences of opinion on " the feeling you had while there " . While this is extremely important to me , I would not rely on reviews for this particular aspect .

 

[George OTJ]

Again I will say the TERMS like GFE/PSE should not be used to discribe service, but to discribe the feeling that you had while there. That would make things a hell of alot easier.

To this I basically agree.

You say the above is a PSE, but a women who offers CBJ, DFK, MSOG, and GREEK in an all inclusive rate(as some charge extra for GREEK) is not a GFE or PSE type, but rather just a "plain old escort" I don't think that is right.

I wouldn't use the term "plain old escort" as I don't think it's appropriate. The point I was trying to get at was that the way the terms GFE/PSE are used, they tended to refer to ladies -with some variations- where "The main event was hot, sweaty, non stop sex in every position imaginable, lots of noise, lots of fun, and you feel like you could not have sex for a month becuase you are that drained..." From what I've read, I understand that most ladies don't put this much energy into their encounters.

There are posters out there who want something at the 'other end of the spectrum' from what you describe as a GFE. And just as not every SP is going to offer GFE/PSE, not every SP is going to offer ISE - it's not in their personalities, attitudes, mannerisms, preferrences - what every word(s) you'd like to use. They are at opposite ends of the ranges of experiences being offered by the SPs. Instead of feeling "like you could not have sex for a month becuase you are that drained", I want to feeling "like I wouldn't want to get out of bed for a month" because I just can't get enough of just 'beeing' with her. If I ever find this SP, I'm gonna go broke!

If you all leave services to be labelled and use the TERMS to discribe your own personal feelings about the session as a whole, you might find that the TERMS are not useless at all but actualy quite usefull. Y'all just keep using them in the wrong ways in my mind.
Kiarra

But that is EXACTLY why the term is useless. Because the guys are looking for different things and how the FEEL after a session is going to reflect how close the lady came to what the guy wanted. There are too many guys that insist that you keep using the terms in the wrong ways; and there will never be a concesous on GFE.

The main event was hot, sweaty, non stop sex in every position imaginable, lots of noise, lots of fun, and you feel like you could not have sex for a month becuase you are that drained would be like a PSE. [/i]
Because of my back, this type of session would probably leave me in traction for a month. This is definitly NOT what I want from a GFE. Maybe when my back is better, I'll go looking for a PSE, but for now, I'm only interested in ISE.