Educational Workers

[Darts]

Reducing their demand from almost 12% to maybe 5% is hardly a concession. Try that gimmick with your private sector boss and see how far you get.

I think those folks who support CUPE should put their money where their mouth is. Maybe start a Go Fund Me for our "poverty stricken" education workers and teachers.

 

[Frankfooter]

Reducing their demand from almost 12% to maybe 5% is hardly a concession. Try that gimmick with your private sector boss and see how far you get.

I think those folks who support CUPE should put their money where their mouth is. Maybe start a Go Fund Me for our "poverty stricken" education workers and teachers.

They agreed to only about 3% raises over the last decade total.
With inflation at about 7% that means you want them to make 2% less next year.

 

[Ceiling Cat]

"CUPE is looking for annual salary increases of 11.7 per cent and the government, in response, has offered raises of two per cent a year for workers making less than $40,000 and 1.25 per cent for all other workers.

They are looking for 11.7%, but will take 7-8 or 9%. In the end it will probably be more like 4-5%.

Ford is playing hardball but all the other teachers will get behind this as they are in negotiations right now and Ford just gave all his mp's, what, a 40% raise or something?

Ford has to play hardball, he does not have the money to spend. We are going into hard time where there will be less jobs, less money, less taxes. If Ford pays the teachers 11.7% more then everyone else will want 11.7% more.

 

[Darts]

If Ford pays the education workers 11.7% more then everyone else will want 11.7% more.

Yes. That is the problem when one is dealing with public sector unions that have a monopoly. 11.7% becomes the benchmark and that is what an arbitrator looks at.

 

[Frankfooter]

They are looking for 11.7%, but will take 7-8 or 9%. In the end it will probably be more like 4-5%.


Ford has to play hardball, he does not have the money to spend. We are going into hard time where there will be less jobs, less money, less taxes. If Ford pays the teachers 11.7% more then everyone else will want 11.7% more.

Ford has money, he just sent $200 to parents rather than pay a living wage.

 

[rhuarc29]

Why a pay freeze for the teachers? Have they not been affected like everyone else by inflation? I don't believe they should get the same type of increase as CUPE workers but why a pay freeze? Please don't start with a teacher is overpaid. I certainly wouldn't be a happy camper with 90K year.

$90K a year is about double the median income, and in the very upper range of what constitutes a middle class salary. The fact you wouldn't personally be happy with it kind of dismisses the point that the vast majority of Canadians make much, much less.

 

[rhuarc29]

They are.

Doug Ford under fire for new minister’s pay hike

Government house leader Paul Calandra has been promoted to lead a new “ministry of legislative affairs” with a cabinet minister’s salary of $165,000 that opposition parties say is out of tune with restraint efforts that, for example, limit hospital nurses to one per cent pay raises.

www.thestar.com

Are you truly believing that one employee making an outrageous salary compares to tens of thousands?

 

[squeezer]

$90K a year is about double the median income, and in the very upper range of what constitutes a middle class salary. The fact you wouldn't personally be happy with it kind of dismisses the point that the vast majority of Canadians make much, much less.

Personally, I would be devastated earning only 90K a year but that's me.

As for teachers, why should they be happy with a freeze regardless of their current income?? Do you not want a yearly wage increase considering the price of gas, mortgages, food???? I would think most prefer to keep up with inflation.

I guess it was ok for Lecce to get a $16,000.00 pay hike?? I don't usually care when folks get raises but it's kind of hypocritical no??

 

[Frankfooter]

Are you truly believing that one employee making an outrageous salary compares to tens of thousands?

Ford gave him and Lecce raises, sent parents $200 each and then claimed he couldn't afford to pay support workers.
All while withholding federal money that was supposed to have been spent on education.

 

[Insidious Von]

The Mighty Sid speaks!

 

[danmand]

From my perspective, teachers in Canada are less qualified compared to teachers in other countries, and are paid more compared to teachers in other countries.

However, busting unions is not the Government's job.

 

[Darts]

From my perspective, teachers in Canada are less qualified compared to teachers in other countries, and are paid more compared to teachers in other countries.
I agree. I've been to Hong Kong, Japan, etc. Excellent teachers and they are not overpaid like Canadian teachers. The best teachers are the ones in Singapore.

However, busting unions is not the Government's job.
I think all the government want to do is to keep the kids in school and be prudent with the public purse.

 

[Anbarandy]

Reducing their demand from almost 12% to maybe 5% is hardly a concession. Try that gimmick with your private sector boss and see how far you get.

I think those folks who support CUPE should put their money where their mouth is. Maybe start a Go Fund Me for our "poverty stricken" education workers and teachers.

StatsCan just reported that wages are up 5.6% across Canada today!

Apparently, the private sector is employing that gimmick!

Game over, case closed.

 

[Frankfooter]

Ford spent gave parents $365 million and won't spend $200 to give support workers a decent wage.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1588564765579784192

Now he's using the strike as cover to cut the green belt.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1588643047331737600

 

[dirtydaveiii]

StatsCan just reported that wages are up 5.6% across Canada today!

Apparently, the private sector is employing that gimmick!

Game over, case closed.

great! and what do you think happens to the goods and services that now cost 5.6 percent more ?

 

[JohnLarue]

Yes. That is the problem when one is dealing with public sector unions that have a monopoly. 11.7% becomes the benchmark and that is what an arbitrator looks at.

you can thank Bob Rea (1990)for the legislation that granted them that monopoly

look at how the provincial debt has grown since

this will end badly

 

[JohnLarue]

Teachers are not valued by society to the degree commensurate with the very important role they play.

two things very wrong with that statement

1, you are claiming you are better able to value their role than society is
2. why are they compensated like royalty if society does not value their role ?

a third issue: why society is forced to pay excessively for a role society does not value?

 

[JohnLarue]

StatsCan just reported that wages are up 5.6% across Canada today!

Apparently, the private sector is employing that gimmick!

Game over, case closed.

apparently the private sector is able to afford 5.6% wage increases (passed onto the consumer via inflation)
the Ontario provincial government is not

do you want free health care or do you want wealthy school janitors ?
you cannot have both

Game over, case closed.

 

[danmand]

apparently the private sector is able to afford 5.6% wage increases (passed onto the consumer via inflation)
the Ontario provincial government is not

do you want free health care or do you want wealthy school janitors ?
you cannot have both

We do not have free health care. We have Universal health care.

And we can have Universal health care and pay school janitors a living wage.

 

[JohnLarue]

We do not have free health care. We have Universal health care.

And we can have Universal health care and pay school janitors a living wage.

not when we have $ 380 billion in provincial govt debt we cant
the cost of borrowing has increased 3.5% in a year & we are not done yet

3.5% X $380 B >>> $13.3 B in incremental annual debt service costs once that debt rolls over

that money will have to come from spending as the tax payer is taxed out and maxed out on consumer debt
health care is the biggest expenditure for the province

reality will run over your idealism
you can thank Bob Rea, Dalton the dummy & Granny Wynne for what is going to happen to universal health care