Earth Temperature Close To One Million Year High
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You have to see this from Papa's point of view. His leader is not worried, therefor he perceives there is no real threat. The scientists are over-reacting, they just don't get it. Imperial Oil and Shell will prevail.shack said:
I don't think the environment will react anytime soon to improvements in technology. It always amazes me that we are so arrogant that we think we can simply tweak things abit and turn this around in a few years. If you read the report it says this is what can best be expected by 2050, no matter what we do in the meantime.Sheik said:
The big Insurnace companies that insure the vessels, Lloyds etc, have just recently overhauled their requirements for trans atlantic lanes, enforcing more southerly routes because the bergs are migrating farther south. This is but one of hundreds of impacts going on in our time. entire sections of forests are collapsing in both Alaska and Siberia because the perma is melting...the list goes on and on. On the Russian side, the tundra is something like a million square Km.. thats about the same size as the caribbean basin OR the mediterranian. All that fressh water is pouring into the sea. It increases the water level on the Greenland cap, and escalates the process. The 50 years thing is a shot in the dark...nobody knows for sure. When Greenland starts melting down, the process will begin to escalate fast impacting on Antarctica. There just too many factors to model. The scentific community is trying to be conservative in their estimates, because they don't want to be perceived as alarmist. The earth could begin to shift on its axis because of the weight re-distribution. A 1/4 degree could have enormous effects...etc etc... Its quite feasilble we could see the water levels rise dramatically even in the next 20 years. Nobody really knows.Asterix said:
Nobody does really know, but I think you are correct that the scientists are being conservative in their estimates. Dramatic climate changes have a domino effect. The melting of the frozen tundras are releasing an enormous amount of methane into the air, which only accelerates the process.Mcluhan said:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14834318/
MSNBC News Services
Updated: 3:17 p.m. MT Sept 14, 2006
SACRAMENTO, Calif. - A leading U.S. climate researcher says the world has a 10-year window of opportunity to take decisive action on global warming and avert catastrophe.
NASA scientist James Hansen, widely considered the doyen of American climate researchers, said governments must adopt an alternative scenario to keep carbon dioxide emission growth in check and limit the increase in global temperatures to 1 degree Celsius (1.8 degrees Fahrenheit).
“I think we have a very brief window of opportunity to deal with climate change ... no longer than a decade, at the most,” Hansen said Wednesday at the Climate Change Research Conference in California’s state capital.
If the world continues with a “business as usual” scenario, Hansen said temperatures will rise by 2 to 3 degrees Celsius (3.6 to 7.2 degrees F) and “we will be producing a different planet.”
On that warmer planet, ice sheets would melt quickly, causing a rise in sea levels that would put most of Manhattan under water. The world would see more prolonged droughts and heat waves, powerful hurricanes in new areas and the likely extinction of 50 percent of species.
Clashing with White House
Hansen, who heads NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, has made waves before by saying that President Bush’s administration tried to silence him and heavily edited his and other scientists’ findings on a warmer world.
He reiterated that the United States “has passed up the opportunity” to influence the world on global warming.
The United States is the largest emitter of greenhouse gases, most notably carbon dioxide. But Bush pulled the country out of the 160-nation Kyoto Protocol in 2001, arguing that the treaty’s mandatory curbs on emissions would harm the economy.
Hansen praised California for taking the “courageous” step of passing legislation on global warming last month that will make it the first U.S. state to place caps on greenhouse gas emissions.
He said the alternative scenario he advocates involves promoting energy efficiency and reducing dependence on carbon burning fuels.
“We cannot burn off all the fossil fuels that are readily available without causing dramatic climate change,” Hansen said. “This is not something that is a theory. We understand the carbon cycle well enough to say that.”
MSNBC News Services
Updated: 3:17 p.m. MT Sept 14, 2006
SACRAMENTO, Calif. - A leading U.S. climate researcher says the world has a 10-year window of opportunity to take decisive action on global warming and avert catastrophe.
NASA scientist James Hansen, widely considered the doyen of American climate researchers, said governments must adopt an alternative scenario to keep carbon dioxide emission growth in check and limit the increase in global temperatures to 1 degree Celsius (1.8 degrees Fahrenheit).
“I think we have a very brief window of opportunity to deal with climate change ... no longer than a decade, at the most,” Hansen said Wednesday at the Climate Change Research Conference in California’s state capital.
If the world continues with a “business as usual” scenario, Hansen said temperatures will rise by 2 to 3 degrees Celsius (3.6 to 7.2 degrees F) and “we will be producing a different planet.”
On that warmer planet, ice sheets would melt quickly, causing a rise in sea levels that would put most of Manhattan under water. The world would see more prolonged droughts and heat waves, powerful hurricanes in new areas and the likely extinction of 50 percent of species.
Clashing with White House
Hansen, who heads NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, has made waves before by saying that President Bush’s administration tried to silence him and heavily edited his and other scientists’ findings on a warmer world.
He reiterated that the United States “has passed up the opportunity” to influence the world on global warming.
The United States is the largest emitter of greenhouse gases, most notably carbon dioxide. But Bush pulled the country out of the 160-nation Kyoto Protocol in 2001, arguing that the treaty’s mandatory curbs on emissions would harm the economy.
Hansen praised California for taking the “courageous” step of passing legislation on global warming last month that will make it the first U.S. state to place caps on greenhouse gas emissions.
He said the alternative scenario he advocates involves promoting energy efficiency and reducing dependence on carbon burning fuels.
“We cannot burn off all the fossil fuels that are readily available without causing dramatic climate change,” Hansen said. “This is not something that is a theory. We understand the carbon cycle well enough to say that.”
It's so ironic, and so typically human, here we are fighting over the rights to, killing hundreds of thousands of people over oil, the very consumption of which is destroying the future of the human race.Asterix said:
Myopia and self-serving Greed rule supreme for the 'powers that be'.
Think of all the money being wasted presently on the military and killing people.....at the behest of far too politically powerful Oil interests.
Had those wasted monies been channelled towards development of the Hydrogen economy, as President Jimmy Carter a former nuclear engineer wanted and started some 30 years ago, there's a very good chance all vehicles today would be hydrogen fueled. Your homes would have stationary fuel cells producing all your heat and electricity.
Hydrogen, the clean fuel emitting only water vapor.
NASA has been using it since the 60's.
Pres. Carter began "Project Independence" back then, a Manhattan style project to rid the USA of it's 'oil habbit'. It started out well.
Then unfortunately Ronnie Reagan came to power in 1980 and at the behest of Big Oil slowly dismantled every part of "Project Independence".
Back then as now Myopia and Greed rule the GOP, it seems to be the dominant gene in their peculiar DNA...........
Carter showed a vision for making a better future, while the GOP, as pops here, aptly demonstrates his vision of..... it won't effect me so f**k the future......
Think of all the money being wasted presently on the military and killing people.....at the behest of far too politically powerful Oil interests.
Had those wasted monies been channelled towards development of the Hydrogen economy, as President Jimmy Carter a former nuclear engineer wanted and started some 30 years ago, there's a very good chance all vehicles today would be hydrogen fueled. Your homes would have stationary fuel cells producing all your heat and electricity.
Hydrogen, the clean fuel emitting only water vapor.
NASA has been using it since the 60's.
Pres. Carter began "Project Independence" back then, a Manhattan style project to rid the USA of it's 'oil habbit'. It started out well.
Then unfortunately Ronnie Reagan came to power in 1980 and at the behest of Big Oil slowly dismantled every part of "Project Independence".
Back then as now Myopia and Greed rule the GOP, it seems to be the dominant gene in their peculiar DNA...........
Carter showed a vision for making a better future, while the GOP, as pops here, aptly demonstrates his vision of..... it won't effect me so f**k the future......
There's somthing in the air alright, and it ain't sulpher. It's horseshit. I think what we are witnessing on the media's center stage is the recoil of a tremendous bottled up angst that has been building for a long time in the American public's collective subconciousness. It was patently wrong to invade Iraq, and then to sustain the wrong with lies, more lies, and more lies again deepened the mistake to the point of approaching a terminally dishonest society. Eventually there comes a day of reckoning. That day is upon the administration. There can be no fence sitters in this coming election. The American people have to stand up and be counted. They must reconcile the lies with the truth and admit to the damage done. At the end of the accounting day, there is a large truth deficit. Someone will have to pay. It can only be that corrupt administration. This is the country's one and only opportunity to demonstrate to the world community that they have the guts to fess up. If they don't, their credibility as a nation is lost in our lifetime.Then unfortunately Ronnie Reagan came to power in 1980 and at the behest of Big Oil slowly dismantled every part of "Project Independence".
Back then as now Myopia and Greed rule the GOP, it seems to be the dominant gene in their peculiar DNA...........
Carter showed a vision for making a better future, while the GOP, as pops here, aptly demonstrates his vision of..... it won't effect me so f**k the future......
My prediction is on the side of hope. I hope you guys kick the living crap out of the GOP this time. Then it has to happen. You have to go after Bush and prosecute and impeach. The three are war criminals. It's a plain fact. It's the only way to cleanse, repair, and put the country back on an even keel, in my humble opinion. The crimes this sorry excuse for a government has committed are a universe bigger than telling lies about a blow job in the oval office. The entire country has taken it up the ass over this one. Someone has to be made to pay, and the time is now. There will not be another opportunity.
It states the surface temperature has only gone up .2 degrees Celsius over the last 30 years. It would have to increase another 1 degree Celsius to reach the million year high record...
That should take another 150 years.
That should take another 150 years.
THis might suprise you , but I just do not agree with the alarmist on this issue. Do you recall in the 60's when science was warning us that we were entering into a new iceage?Asterix said:
shack said:
This might shcok you but New Orleans was built below sea level. When you build below sea level you might expect flooding.
As for the melting of the glacial ice? Check out the Finger Lakes someday. There you have a damned fine example of a former glacier.
Not sure how this issue has turned in to a Democrats vs. Republicans argument.
None of the ruling politicians has mad e a serious effort to combat this. Why? Because there is no pressure from the base ...yet.
Humans in general are not willing to give up any comforts until it hits them in the face.
Just look at the debatte going on in Maine and Vermont in regards to build windmills.
There is a plan inplace that could provide clean wind energy in those states. The problem is that nobody wants it in their own backyard.."because they are ruining the landscape". As long there is room to discuss estethics rather than necessity, maybe we haven't reached critical mass yet.
None of the ruling politicians has mad e a serious effort to combat this. Why? Because there is no pressure from the base ...yet.
Humans in general are not willing to give up any comforts until it hits them in the face.
Just look at the debatte going on in Maine and Vermont in regards to build windmills.
There is a plan inplace that could provide clean wind energy in those states. The problem is that nobody wants it in their own backyard.."because they are ruining the landscape". As long there is room to discuss estethics rather than necessity, maybe we haven't reached critical mass yet.
I know elephants never forget. I guess I could get used to ostrich meaning to tell the truth.shack said:
I've seen this theory before, alleged to be loosely based on science, the analogy of the skin of an orange getting loose and sliding around. Unfortunately for the theory, the science doesn't hold. In fact, ice changing into water would cause less instability as it could flow to an equilibrium point.Mcluhan said:
More like the response of someone who you disagree with.shack said:
You are welcome to your own opinion and free to exercise your choice to walk to work. You can sell your car and advise others to do the same. You can boycot busses and other forms of public transportaion. Yes even electric in many cases pollute.
You can heat your house as you see fit but solar is cleanest.
I an just not jumping on the bandwagon. BTW I was a liberal when I first rejected the concept of the sky is falling. Politics has nothing to do with not embracing junk science.
