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onthebottom said:
Our OCED test score are pathetic, especially when you consider there are only two countries that spend more than we do per student on education (Canada and another small country in Europe). Thats K-12 education, I think our University system is the best in the world - by a long way.
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When it comes to the top universities and their graduate schools, I agree with you. However, there at a lot of very questionable institutions to bring down the average. Thus, on average, I have to disagree but we have been through this before so you already know my opinion.
 

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onthebottom said:
Our OCED test score are pathetic, especially when you consider there are only two countries that spend more than we do per student on education (Canada and another small country in Europe). Thats K-12 education, I think our University system is the best in the world - by a long way.



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approx 20% of Americans are 'functionally' illiterate. It's about the same in Canada. Japan's funcionally illiterate is also about 20%. Functional illiteracy is often defined as unable to read a newspaper. I guess those bumper stickers are more important than I thought.

ILLITERATE: 1993 A recent study by the Department of Education stated that 90 million Americans possess only rudimentary literacy skills. 47 percent of America adult population perform only the simplest reading skills. As many as 40 million of the nation's 191 million adults have only the lowest level of skills- meaning they can add the total on a bank slip or identify a piece of specific information in a brief news article.

Another 50 million can calculate a total purchase, determine the difference in price between two items and locate a specific point on a map. 61 million can decipher info from long or dense texts of documents and the remaining 34 to 40 million can complete the most challenging tasks. But what was not identified in this article- which I have expressed previously- is that the people that can read DON'T. And that's worse. Outside of good health, the ability AND willingness to read is the most precious commodity that any individual possesses. Knowledge makes you a viable human being. Otherwise you just exist- and sometimes not that well. "The vast majority of Americans do not know they do not have the skills to earn a living in our increasingly technological society," says U.S. Secretary of Education, (1994)

(USNews, June 1989) There are 25 million Americans who cannot read or write at all. An additional 45 million are functionally illiterate- without the reading or writing skills to find work. Illiteracy is compounded by the attack on English as the national language, yet civilizations rise and fall by literacy and common language. When common knowledge becomes accessible to all, common values can be defined and pursued. In our post industrial era where most Americans make a living with their minds, not their hands, it is education- more than steel, coal or even capital- that is the key to our economic future.



ILLITERACY: (Marcia Kaplan, SF Chronicle, 5/95) "Each year over 700,000 graduate from high school unable to read their high school diploma. The US. Department of Education says that 20% of American adults are functionally illiterate. Functional illiterates can read words but they cannot comprehend their meanings, synthesize information or make decision based on what they read. And marginally illiterate people feel most comfortable receiving information in a visual format, relying more on television than print for information.
 

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Dubya: the Illegal War President

Heaven's Gate

By Chris Floyd

07/01/05 "Moscow Times" - - This week, President George W. Bush gave a big speech "explaining" the Iraq war to the American people. It was the usual load of lying blather and false piety -- deeply, even murderously cynical. But there's no point in wasting a single thought over these clown shows anymore. Bush is a nasty little moral cretin fronting a gang of elitist thugs whose only concerns are loot and power. Nothing he says has the slightest credibility. Only his actions -- crimes soaked with human blood -- have any meaning or truth.

So let's deal in truth. Let's talk about crime. Specifically, the flagrant war crime committed by Bush and his comrade in moral cretinhood, British Prime Minister Tony Blair, in May 2002, as TomPaine.com reports. Yes, 2002 -- long before the ground invasion of Iraq in March 2003. The "Downing Street Memos" -- top-level British government documents whose authenticity has been confirmed by Blair's own office -- show clearly that Bush and Blair began a ferocious air war against Iraq in May 2002, despite the unequivocal ruling by Blair's lawyers that such a campaign constituted a clear act of military aggression: the "supreme international crime" for which the Nazi leaders were condemned at Nuremberg.

The avowed purpose of this bombing campaign -- openly admitted by U.S. military brass -- was to destroy Iraq's defenses in preparation for the long-planned ground assault. It began months before the U.S. Congress gave its rather vague approval for possible military action to enforce the disarming of Iraq's nonexistent WMD. And it had nothing to do with the "no-fly zones" maintained for years over southern Iraq by the United States and Britain, ostensibly to prevent Saddam Hussein from using aircraft to suppress Shiite unrest. (Strangely enough, the only time Saddam actually tried to use airpower against the Shiites, in 1991, he was given explicit permission to do so by America's leaders at the time: President George H.W. Bush and Pentagon chief Dick Cheney.)

Bush and Blair's secret air war against Iraq is perhaps the most blatant and indefensible aspect of their multi-headed war crime in Iraq. No amount of contorted legal quibbling or weasel-worded readings of UN resolutions can justify such a large-scale military action undertaken without the approval -- or even the notification -- of Congress and Parliament. And the documents make clear that the Anglo-American leaders knew the air campaign was illegal -- as was the whole case for "regime change," which the memos admit was "weak" and unsupported by evidence.

But the memos reveal that Bush and Blair had already decided on war, during their April 2002 meeting at Bush's ranch in Crawford. No doubt the two Christian leaders -- who bray their faith in Jesus at every opportunity -- knelt in prayer together as they sealed their pact of blood. From that point on, the memos show, Blair and Bush ignored all concerns about legality, all questions about the shaky WMD evidence and the extensive worries of many insiders about the near-total lack of planning for the postwar situation. They sought only to "create the political conditions" for war, manufacturing public consent through slick, fear-mongering propaganda and, in the memos' most famous phrase, by "fixing the facts and intelligence around the policy" of aggression.

Thus, with full knowledge that they were following in the footsteps of the Nuremberg criminals, Bush and Blair began the war in May 2002, dropping hundreds of tons of bombs on Iraq over the next 10 months. Not only were they clearing the path for the coming invasion, but the memos show that the leaders also hoped to provoke Saddam into retaliating, thereby giving them a PR excuse for war: "self-defense" against Iraqi "aggression."

"One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief," then-candidate Bush told Herskowitz. "My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it. If I have a chance to invade ... I'm not going to waste it. I'm going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I'm going to have a successful presidency."

Thus, by his own admission, Bush regards war -- slaughter, ruin, chaos and terror -- as the measure of success, the path to greatness. He sees blood as the prime lubricant for his rapacious domestic policies. He uses unprovoked military aggression to achieve his personal and political goals.

In what way, then, is he different from the moral cretins who were hanged at Nuremberg?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9369.htm
 

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WoodPeckr said:
Heaven's Gate

By Chris Floyd

In what way, then, is he different from the moral cretins who were hanged at Nuremberg?
Oh I don't know, a little trivium of history called the Holocaust ? :rolleyes:
 

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In what way, then, is he different from the moral cretins who were hanged at Nuremberg?

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Oh I don't know, a little trivium of history called the Holocaust ? :rolleyes:
Agreed, 'W' has a ways to go to reach their scope and scale but being the legal beagle you are Trunc, you have to agree the moral cretins who were hanged at Nuremberg do share much of the same principles, thinking and tactics with team Dubya's crusaders, as the above 'Heaven's Gate' article By Chris Floyd pointed out.
 

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From: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/28/politics/28abuse.html?

Military's Opposition to Harsh Interrogation Is Outlined
By NEIL A. LEWIS
Published: July 28, 2005


WASHINGTON, July 27 - Senior military lawyers lodged vigorous and detailed dissents in early 2003 as an administration legal task force concluded that President Bush had authority as commander in chief to order harsh interrogations of prisoners at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, newly disclosed documents show.

Despite the military lawyers' warnings, the task force concluded that military interrogators and their commanders would be immune from prosecution for torture under federal and international law because of the special character of the fight against terrorism.

In memorandums written by several senior uniformed lawyers in each of the military services as the legal review was under way, they had urged a sharply different view and also warned that the position eventually adopted by the task force could endanger American service members.


The memorandums were declassified and released last week in response to a request from Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina. Mr. Graham made the request after hearings in which officers representing the military's judge advocates general acknowledged having expressed concerns over interrogation policies.

The documents include one written by the deputy judge advocate general of the Air Force, Maj. Gen. Jack L. Rives, advising the task force that several of the "more extreme interrogation techniques, on their face, amount to violations of domestic criminal law" as well as military law.

General Rives added that many other countries were likely to disagree with the reasoning used by Justice Department lawyers about immunity from prosecution. Instead, he said, the use of many of the interrogation techniques "puts the interrogators and the chain of command at risk of criminal accusations abroad."

Any such crimes, he said, could be prosecuted in other nations' courts, international courts or the International Criminal Court, a body the United States does not formally participate in or recognize.

Other senior military lawyers warned in tones of sharp concern that aggressive interrogation techniques would endanger American soldiers taken prisoner and also diminish the country's standing as a leader in "the moral high road" approach to the laws of war.

The memorandums provide the most complete record to date of how uniformed military lawyers were frequently the chief dissenters as government officials formulated interrogation policies.

IOKIYAR, anyone? By the way, for all of you right-wingers who think the New York Times is part of a giant liberal conspiracy to destroy the Shrub, this story appeared on page 21.
 

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Carter: Guantanamo Detentions Disgraceful

By CASSANDRA VINOGRAD, Associated Press Writer

Saturday, July 30, 2005

(07-30) 14:32 PDT BIRMINGHAM, England (AP) --

Former President Carter said Saturday the detention of terror suspects at the Guantanamo Bay Naval base was an embarrassment and had given extremists an excuse to attack the United States.

Carter also criticized the U.S.-led war in Iraq as "unnecessary and unjust."

"I think what's going on in Guantanamo Bay and other places is a disgrace to the U.S.A.," he told a news conference at the Baptist World Alliance's centenary conference in Birmingham, England. "I wouldn't say it's the cause of terrorism, but it has given impetus and excuses to potential terrorists to lash out at our country and justify their despicable acts."

Carter said, however, that terrorist acts could not be justified, and that while Guantanamo "may be an aggravating factor ... it's not the basis of terrorism."

Critics of President Bush's administration have long accused the U.S. government of unjustly detaining terror suspects at the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base on the southeastern tip of Cuba. Hundreds of men have been held indefinitely at the prison, without charge or access to lawyers.

"What has happened at Guantanamo Bay ... does not represent the will of the American people," Carter said Saturday. "I'm embarrassed about it, I think its wrong. I think it does give terrorists an unwarranted excuse to use the despicable means to hurt innocent people."

Earlier this month, Carter called for the Guantanamo prison to be shut down, saying reports of abuses there were an embarassment to the United States. He also said that the United States needs to make sure no detainees are held incommunicado and that all are told the charges against them.

Carter, who won the 2002 Nobel Peace Prize, has been an outspoken critic of the Iraq war.

"I thought then, and I think now, that the invasion of Iraq was unnecessary and unjust. And I think the premises on which it was launched were false," he said Saturday.

The Baptist World Alliance, comprising more than 200 Baptist unions around the world, was formed in London in 1905. The headquarters of the alliance, which meets in a different location every five years, moved to the United States in 1947.

An estimated 12,700 delegates gathered in the city of Birmingham in central England for the conference. Carter, a Sunday school teacher in his hometown of Plains, Ga., was due to lead a Bible study lesson during the conference.

He praised British police and intelligence services for the swift arrests in connection with the July 21 failed bombing attempts on London's transit system.

"I'm very proud to be in a nation that stands so stalwart against terrorism with us," he said. "The people of my country have united our hearts and sympathy for the tragedy that you have suffered from terrorism."

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/07/30/international/i133941D11.DTL
 

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Peeping Tom said:
Well, if you can't understand that writing insults, might be, well, offensive ... where does one go from that. It does seem that you write but without style - hence the unconcious manner of political expression. Or, you really mean it.

Anyways, enough of this, until the need to metaphorically boil someone in oil.
God, you’re a hypercritic. You of all people to talk about writing insults.
 

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someone said:
God, you’re a hypercritic. You of all people to talk about writing insults.
Or you?

After all you are to pot in the kettle calling thing, this day
 
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