Dual Citizens

[zefroggy]

Make up your mind what country you want to be a citizen of . You want the best of both worlds . Only having a Canadian passport not good enough for you ??? There you go , calling people names when they don't agree with you .

What else is new . LOL

Yes we do discriminate against Canadian Citizens based on birth place . Just ask Harper . He'll fill you in on the details . I LOVE this guy Harper . A real man's man don't you think . It's about time a political leader fought for rights of REAL CANADIANS and not those that have taken the Oath under false pretenses .

Unfortunately, you belong to the category of people we (Europeans) tend to see as "Stupid Americans" (we do it without judgment by the way). Since you did not have the opportunity to grow in a country with a long history of discrimination with governments who planned, organized and committed crimes, you cannot understand why the irrevocability of citizenship matters.

If tomorrow a Canadian government turns against their citizens, I could be classified as persona non-grata by such government thanks to this law. Not that I don't love Canada. No less than Germans who engaged in the resistance loved Germany. They just despised the 3rd Reich. They were classified as terrorists and executed or send to camps. You can argue they may have preferred to be stateless.

 

[John Henry]

I only talk civilly to individuals who still have a few neurons firing in their brains. I have zero respect for individuals who disregard the most basic and the most important concept in our Canadian law. You are an idiot not worth my time, sir.

Harper is making Canadian Law . You just don't agree with what he is doing and I do . If that makes me an idiot in your eyes then so be it .

Well that's your opinion of me so really what do I care ??? I'm an idiot ( name calling again ) who's not worth your time . Really , just look at the number of responses that you have made .

I guess I could call you a few choice words but I don't call people names when they don't agree with what I have to say unlike some people .:eyebrows:

 

[danmand]

I agree whole 100 % . Again this is your idea of being stupid . Doesn't make you right or me wrong . It's just a difference of opinion here and calling people names is not the way to do it .

Is that what you tell your boss or workers when they don't agree with you ??? Do you call them all stupid . Hey maybe you do .

I am the boss, and I never hire stupid people.

 

[basketcase]

Make up your mind what country you want to be a citizen of ....

A large number of countries don't accept revoking their citizenship. If you were born in one of those countries, no matter your opinion, view of the country of your birth, or of Canada you will still officially be a dual citizen. Even if you attest in Canada that you revoke any prior citizenship, the country of your birth doesn't care. Any of the 7 million who came from those countries have no choice. As mentioned there are also children of immigrants who are considered nationals when they visit their parents place of birth.

I think the law should be applied to all citizens if it applies to any.

 

[John Henry]

Unfortunately, you belong to the category of people we (Europeans) tend to see as "Stupid Americans" (we do it without judgment by the way). Since you did not have the opportunity to grow in a country with a long history of discrimination with governments who planned, organized and committed crimes, you cannot understand why the irrevocability of citizenship matters.

If tomorrow a Canadian government turns against their citizens, I could be classified as persona non-grata by such government thanks to this law. Not that I don't love Canada. No less than Germans who engaged in the resistance loved Germany. They just despised the 3rd Reich. They were classified as terrorists and executed or send to camps. You can argue they may have preferred to be stateless.

Yes I see and understand that but if a government wants to and has the army or law enforcement backing them up they will do as they please . Change any law or add laws that will help their agenda . Look what happened in Toronto when they had that summit. The government and the cops did as they pleased no matter what the Charter said . Perfect example of how the government and cops will do as they please no matter what any law has to say .

Laws or rights are only good if they are to be followed . Take that away and laws or rights that are written are not worth the paper they're written on .

 

[John Henry]

I am the boss, and I never hired anybody as stupid as you.

I'll bet you have a large employee turn over with you being the BOSS LOL.

I'm retired thank you very much and doing quite well I might add . Just to add I would never work for a boss like you . How's business these days . Working very hard to earn a living . Yes life can be tough out there trying to earn a living . I don't have to . My money works for me . I don't have to work for my money . LOL

 

[zefroggy]

Laws or rights are only good if they are to be followed . Take that away and laws or rights that are written are not worth the paper they're written on .

Making something legal does not make it lawful.

Our constitution includes a clause for rebellion and actually the Magna Carta's clause 61 has inspired the Rebellion clause of the US and French constitutions. If a government is doing something unlawful, all citizens have the right to rebel. The Magna Carta just formalized this and was last used in 2001 when Tony Blair tried to the UK into the EU creating this semi-entrance the UK is in to their benefits according to some.

Trying to muzzle or scare part of your citizens is considered by most an act of fascism. Hence my current dissatisfaction with the government I have voted for and did a good job on many fronts, but is also scaring me with their latest attempts to satisfy their party base with populist announcements.

 

[SchlongConery]

Make up your mind what country you want to be a citizen of . You want the best of both worlds . Only having a Canadian passport not good enough for you ??? .

Aside from discussion on this particular issue, it is actually quite prudent for some people to have a second passport for many reasons. If you have an opportunity to obtain EU citizenship by virtue of familial ties it may be worth it as it allows you to live and work in the Schengen Treaty countries.

But be careful of obligations of that citizenship. Like military service for Israelis and taxation on worldwide income and income tax reporting for US citizens, no matter where they live and what other citizenship they have.

 

[Aardvark154]

One would hope that a lot of Canadians without another citizenship would vote for another party. I know I will.

The law is the pinnacle of stupidity. It does not address a problem and will likely be shot down by the supreme court. It panders to the stupidest of Canadians.

Hmm, Australia must also be very stupid. Since the same thing has been proposed in the Antipodes. http://www.wect.com/story/29161766/australia-to-take-citizenship-from-terrorism-supporters

 

[The Fruity Hare]

Quebecois citizenship? Are you serious? Quebec hasn't separated yet.

In case you didn't know, Skyrider is actually Rockslinger under a different alias. Don't try to make sense of some of the stupidity he posts. You will just run yourself in circles!

 

[danmand]

Hmm, Australia must also be very stupid. Since the same thing has been proposed in the Antipodes. http://www.wect.com/story/29161766/australia-to-take-citizenship-from-terrorism-supporters

Australia is not. However, Tony Abbott is like Harper pandering to the lowest common denominator. There must be an election coming in Australia also.

The supreme courts are likely to shoot it down anyway, which I am sure you are aware of, being the brilliant legal mind.

 

[danmand]

I'm retired thank you very much and doing quite well I might add . Just to add I would never work for a boss like you . How's business these days . Working very hard to earn a living . Yes life can be tough out there trying to earn a living . I don't have to . My money works for me . I don't have to work for my money . LOL

So, they fired your sorry ass.

 

[John Henry]

Australia is not. However, Tony Abbott is like Harper pandering to the lowest common denominator. There must be an election coming in Australia also.

The supreme courts are likely to shoot it down anyway, which I am sure you are aware of, being the brilliant legal mind.

Interesting observation from a guy who only hires smart people . Front page says Australia does it not ????

Supreme court could take years and years . Still waiting for the court to shoot down C-36 are we . Anybody else you wish to compare to Harper .

 

[John Henry]

So, they fired your sorry ass.

Sorry chum . I retired when I reached the ripe old age of 51 . My choice . Full benefits and a pocket full of money that works for me .:eyebrows:

 

[SkyRider]

Aside from discussion on this particular issue, it is actually quite prudent for some people to have a second passport for many reasons. If you have an opportunity to obtain EU citizenship by virtue of familial ties it may be worth it as it allows you to live and work in the Schengen Treaty countries.

But be careful of obligations of that citizenship. Like military service for Israelis and taxation on worldwide income and income tax reporting for US citizens, no matter where they live and what other citizenship they have.

Citizenship can be a complicated matter.

The U.K. has the "grandfather rule" which makes it much easier for some people to acquire British citizenship. http://www.1stcontact.com/blog/featured-news/uk-ancestry-visa-eligibility/

The PRC does not allow Chinese citizens to be also citizens of another country. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationality_law_of_the_People's_Republic_of_China
Query: Are "anchor babies" (I did not coin this term) strictly Canadian and not Chinese citizens? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchor_baby

With rare exceptions, Germany does not allow dual citizens. One of my friends has lived. worked and paid taxes to Canada for over 40 years but he never applied for Canadian citizenship because he doesn't want to lose his German citizenship. He is a "permanent resident of Canada".

 

[SchlongConery]

I think the law should be applied to all citizens if it applies to any.

See zefroggy's post about rogue governments (like the Third Reich) before you hope for any laws allowing the revocation of citizenship. If there ever is a slippery slope, this is it.

 

[danmand]

See zefroggy's post about rogue governments (like the Third Reich) before you hope for any laws allowing the revocation of citizenship. If there ever is a slippery slope, this is it.

Unfortunately, we are already halfway there, the last couple of governments have decided on ideological basis which citizens to give help to.

 

[wilbur]

The law is way too broad to begin with. It only alludes to terrorism. It actually refers to those who act against Canadian 'interests'. So the government can strip somebody of their citizenship for a lot less than putting a bomb somewhere. Like writing a nasty editorial in a foreign paper trashing Canada or its government of the day? And there is no judicial review either. Someone accused of terrorism can just be denied their citizenship and just kept out of the country, denied a fair trial, presumably while in the care of the US military in Gitmo wehre there is NO process of law.... how convenient for the government. The government has never question the legitimacy of Omar Khadr's detention and show trial.

The US legal process is as bad as the Soviet show trials were, because they are one and the same.

 

[red]

Canadian born terrorists get thrown in jail . Different situation .

Oh so foreign born terrorists go free. Boy harper is soft on crime

 

[red]

Make up your mind what country you want to be a citizen of . You want the best of both worlds . Only having a Canadian passport not good enough for you ??? There you go , calling people names when they don't agree with you .

What else is new . LOL

Yes we do discriminate against Canadian Citizens based on birth place . Just ask Harper . He'll fill you in on the details . I LOVE this guy Harper . A real man's man don't you think . It's about time a political leader fought for rights of REAL CANADIANS and not those that have taken the Oath under false pretenses .

A real man's man? LOL he never played sports growing up, never worked a day in his life and hid in a closet at the first sign of trouble.